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About a year ago I made a thread that dealt with how the Judeo-Christian mythology was based on other religion's myths, it particularly discussed how Jesus was based on Horus, Tammuz, etc.

I posted all the similarities between Jesus and other figures from myths that existed long before him, I also posted similarities between the Judeo-Christian myth as a whole with other pre-historic myths.

I got banned from a Theological Guild and got my thread deleted with out warning or explanation, I then got banned soon afterwards with no explanation as well. Seems the truth is too hard to take in sometimes.

The best argument against it were things like "the ads on your links demonstrate how it's not a reliable source" or "if this was real we would have known it already". I tried to explain how most sources were not available in the internet and how simple research and a trip to a library could clear everything up, of course that isn't an option anymore since wikipedia is the source of all truth now.

Now a year later, Zeitgeist the movie is released. You can watch it at zeitgeistmovie.com or just by google searching it's name. The creator also states how sources can't be found on the internet, but he took the time out to list numerous book sources for all you deniers out there.

I would like to have someone debate about this subject now that there are sources and there is no excuse to ban me simply because the truth is not pretty and convenient enough for the mods and gaians.

This thread's main purpose is to discuss and debate on whether or not the Judeo-Christian myth is based on Egyptian, Astrological and Babylonian myths. Parts II and III of Zeitgeist are unrelated to the discussion.

If you want to post something, please back up your claims with documented facts and not with biased user based links.

Sources:

Massey, Gerald - The Historic Jesus and the Mythical Christ, The Book Tree
Carpenter, Edward: Pagan and Christian Creeds: Their Origin and Meaning Book Tree, 1998
Acharya S - The Christ Conspiracy, Adventures Unlimited Press
Massey, Gerald - Ancient Egypt: Light of the World, Kessinger Publishing
Churchward, Albert -The Origin and Evolution of Religion, The Book Tree
Acharya S - Suns of God, Adventures Unlimited Press
Murdock, D.M. - Who was Jesus?, Steller House Publishing
Allegro, John - The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth, Prometheus Books
Frazer, Sir James: The Golden Bough, Touchstone Pub., 1890
Maxwell, Tice, Snow - That Old Time Religion, The Book Tree
Rolleston, Frances: Mazzaroth, Rivingtons, Waterloo Place, 1862
Cumont, Franz: Astrology and Religion Among the Greeks and Romans Cosimo Classics 1912
King James Version, The Holy Bible, Holman
Fideler, David: Jesus Christ, Sun of God Quest Books, 1993
Berry, Gerald: Religions Of The World, Barnes & Noble Pub., 1965
Leedom, Tim C - The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You To Read, TS Books
Paine, Thomas - The Age of Reason
Wheless, Joseph: 'Forgery in Christianity: A Documented Record of the Foundations of the Christian Religion 1930
Remsburg, John E. - The Christ: A Critical Review and Analysis of the Evidence of His Existence, Prometheus Books
Massey, Gerald - Egyptian Book of the Dead and the Mysteries of Amenta, Kessinger Publishing
Irvin, Jan & Rutajit, Andrew - Astrotheology and Shamanism, The Book Tree
Doherty, Earl - The Jesus Puzzle: Did Christianity Begin with a Mythical Christ?, Age of Reason Pub.
Campbell, Joseph - Creative Mythology: The Masks of God, Penguin
Doane, T.W. - Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions, Health Research
Maxwell, Jordan: The Light of World (Film Series) IRES
Singh, Madanjeet: The Sun- Symbol of Power and Life, UNESCO, 1993
The Naked Truth (Film) IRES
Jackson, John G. : Christianity Before Christ, American Atheist Press, 1985


All claims must have a source. If you post a claim with no source other than 'I've read a lot of books!!!1!', then you will be reported. Continuing to do so will have you removed from the thread.

You? I remember you. I think the reason you were banned from the theological guild was that you angered some people by pushing this movie that I watched for as long as I could stomach such undiluted s**t. A brief look through just about any myth book denies your claims. Usually when one proposes a religious ideal, it can't be shot to s**t by opening any myth book. Usually they take a bit more effort.

I think that your pushing a video, that seems more spoof than anything real, is the reason for your recent unpleant bannings.

Well, someone had a link to the Zietgeist thing. It was a site similar to youtube, don't remember the name. I assumed it was you, if it isn't I was mistaken.

And... try opening a myth book myself? Oh... if you knew what a nerd I was regarding mythology, you'd see the irony.

Well. I'll just point out it said Bacchus had a virgin birth. This is false. His mother was pregnent, tricked by Hera into asking Zeus to reveal himself in all of his splendor, and died. Zeus took the not dead Bacchus, put him in his... calf. I'm thinking calf, could have been calf or thigh. One of those two, and the baby grew till he cut it out again. He wasn't born like most people, but Zeus did knock up his mother.

Well well well.



I remember you. Didn't bother posting in your last thread because, simply, you proved yourself. Not like I disagreed to begin with, though.

Um. It says that Zeus had an affair with Bacchus' mother. That is why Hera got angry. That is why she tricked Bacchus' mother. If Zeus simply "willed" her pregnent or whatever, it would not have been in issue. So, sex conception.

Also, I took one BLARING point that the movie had some facts wrong. I'm not going to go frame by frame and point out every single instance why it's false.

I remember watching that movie a while ago. The main problem that I can remember right now is that the movie criticizes the American government for using September 11th to instill fear into the people while zeitgeist uses images of explosions and death and the twin towers for the exact same purpose. If I remember correctly it also asserts that Jesus was born on December 25th, which is a date that is in heavy debate. It also states that the three kings followed the star sirius which is another piece of information that is heavily debated.