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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:32 pm
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:12 am
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While you are correct, Ha'ole doesn't mean white.
technically the way ancient hawaiians greeted each other was by touching nose-to-nose, putting your hand on their shoulders, and taking a deep breath, thus sharing breath or Ha.
Ha was believed to be the source of all life in humans and was sacred.
Since foreign people did not practice this they were called Ha'ole, which is like you said, no breath. Ha-to Breathe 'ole-None or lacking
However in modern Hawaiian dictionaries Haole is more of a modernized slang of Ha'ole.
Also the second part, what you're thinking about is the concept of the 'Olelo no'eau, ke ali'i ka aina, he kaua ke kanaka. The land is the chief, the people are its servants.
Hawaiians believed that when you take something from the land you give something back. Also in the concept of taking only what you need.
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non-objective Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:59 am
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non-objective destiny While you are correct, Ha'ole doesn't mean white. technically the way ancient hawaiians greeted each other was by touching nose-to-nose, putting your hand on their shoulders, and taking a deep breath, thus sharing breath or Ha. Ha was believed to be the source of all life in humans and was sacred. Since foreign people did not practice this they were called Ha'ole, which is like you said, no breath. Ha-to Breathe 'ole-None or lacking However in modern Hawaiian dictionaries Haole is more of a modernized slang of Ha'ole. Also the second part, what you're thinking about is the concept of the 'Olelo no'eau, ke ali'i ka aina, he kaua ke kanaka. The land is the chief, the people are its servants. Hawaiians believed that when you take something from the land you give something back. Also in the concept of taking only what you need.
Yes. Unfortunately for the 13 years that i was born and raised in these Hawaiian chains, only now i am learning my own language. I've been exposed to it since pre-school but retaining it has only gone into effect now. Hula is my soul and passion :]
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:47 am
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ho_ola_808 non-objective destiny While you are correct, Ha'ole doesn't mean white. technically the way ancient hawaiians greeted each other was by touching nose-to-nose, putting your hand on their shoulders, and taking a deep breath, thus sharing breath or Ha. Ha was believed to be the source of all life in humans and was sacred. Since foreign people did not practice this they were called Ha'ole, which is like you said, no breath. Ha-to Breathe 'ole-None or lacking However in modern Hawaiian dictionaries Haole is more of a modernized slang of Ha'ole. Also the second part, what you're thinking about is the concept of the 'Olelo no'eau, ke ali'i ka aina, he kaua ke kanaka. The land is the chief, the people are its servants. Hawaiians believed that when you take something from the land you give something back. Also in the concept of taking only what you need. Yes. Unfortunately for the 13 years that i was born and raised in these Hawaiian chains, only now i am learning my own language. I've been exposed to it since pre-school but retaining it has only gone into effect now. Hula is my soul and passion :]
Cool. I mua na kanaka 'o Hawai'i.
Well make sure you get things accurate though. I'm the enforcer for this forum so make sure you pm me things before posting stuff like this. i need to make sure that they're correct so people don't get confused Especially about touchy subjects like origins of words like Ha'ole and whatnot.
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non-objective Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:36 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:47 pm
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Wizard Pyros Iʻm skeptical of this interpretation of the word. It may be true, but can you give any actual references, or is this something being presented as fact when it is really just pure speculation. What I do know is that the word Haole is very old, dating back to a time long before Captain Cook. It appears in genealogical chants (see Kamakau) and ancient stories such as Kamapuaʻa. "Haole" always seems to refer to pale skinned malihini in these references, often with "maka ʻālohilohi" or bright eyes... which may refer to light colored eyes. If at some point "Haole" was indeed "Hā-ʻole" it must have been many centuries ago, long before Cook ever set foot in these islands, since all 19th century scholars I am familiar with, as well as elderly native speakers use it as one word. So to me, "Haole" does indeed mean "Pale skinned foreigner." However, that does not necessarily make it the term of derision that many people take it as today. Just my thoughts.
Citing Sources: "He Moʻolelo No Kamapuaʻa" G.W. Kahiolo "Ke Kumu Aupuni" S.M. Kamakau "Hawaiian Dictionary" Mary Kawena Pukuʻi/Samuel H. Elbert
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:42 pm
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Wizard Pyros Wizard Pyros Iʻm skeptical of this interpretation of the word. It may be true, but can you give any actual references, or is this something being presented as fact when it is really just pure speculation. What I do know is that the word Haole is very old, dating back to a time long before Captain Cook. It appears in genealogical chants (see Kamakau) and ancient stories such as Kamapuaʻa. "Haole" always seems to refer to pale skinned malihini in these references, often with "maka ʻālohilohi" or bright eyes... which may refer to light colored eyes. If at some point "Haole" was indeed "Hā-ʻole" it must have been many centuries ago, long before Cook ever set foot in these islands, since all 19th century scholars I am familiar with, as well as elderly native speakers use it as one word. So to me, "Haole" does indeed mean "Pale skinned foreigner." However, that does not necessarily make it the term of derision that many people take it as today. Just my thoughts. Citing Sources: "He Moʻolelo No Kamapuaʻa" G.W. Kahiolo "Ke Kumu Aupuni" S.M. Kamakau "Hawaiian Dictionary" Mary Kawena Pukuʻi/Samuel H. Elbert
Maika'i! I like the way you think of it.
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