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 Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:44 am
SchizoSpazz not that i'm really critisizing or anything, but that about sounds like you just pick and choose what you want out of every religion and discard the rest. that basically sounds like life in general (we all do it. nearly nobody follows their religion to a tee from pratcices to beliefs about things we deal with in the world like politics). I'm just saying.
It's okay hon. I'm glad you wanted to express your opinion with me.
And no, I am not picking and choosing from all religions. I have my set of beliefs, but my beliefs include trying to get the most out of life, learn about all cultures, experience what I can, etc.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:46 am
Kreazdor I'm trying to do the same thing myself. lol. I started out Christian, but there were just way too many hypocrites in my church. I wanted to know "the enemy's" side, what satanists believed in. Well, the only info I could get was on LeVay Satanism, and they didn't sound bad at all. My curiosity extended to Wicca as well so far, with a glimpse into Taoism and Confucionism. I'm just beginning, and it is a little chaotic, but there's definite spots where they all seem to touch. If they're completely opposite (such as Devil worshipping compared to..Christianity for example) then they tend to give their opposite a reason to exist, a view to contrast against. I once found a passage in the Bible where...I think it was Jesus speaking, stating a law of...well, magic use. It sounded a lot like the Wiccan..Um..Rule of Three I think it's called. It has since eluded me somehow, so I couldn't cite it. Chaotic and challenging, yes. But I think it's because hardly anyone tries to do this that we have so many religions and conflicts. Makes an interesting hobby if nothing else. lol.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one. =] I haven't moved into the more, what society calls, 'taboo' religions, yet. I am still working my way there. But I am very excited to see what the other side worships. My church always made such a point to tell me that Satanists and Wiccans were the worst kind of people in this world, I hated it.
I just believe that people think of this system as chaotic because it does seem like it would be. But I do encourage everyone to try it, even in just a small way.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:48 am
quietstorm 2 Yami_Ichi
I have a different way of viewing things. I am all about life experiences and trying to get the most out of life I can. This, in turn, affects what I believe.
So how about this? Not practicing one religion, but trying your best to practice them all in your lifetime? I don't believe in one religion because I want to practice them all and see what it's like to be a Christian, a Buddhist, anything.Thats a daring thought; of course I tried five or six before I settled. I'll pray for you. Make sure you have faith in GOD and make it a heavy anchor. When the meat is presented to you be sure to spit out the bones. The key is to search for GOD.
I did search for God, love. And then I found him, and after my experience there was done I decided to move on to other things.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:49 am
RubyLight What you a posing is interesting, but impossible. To truly be a member of a religion would require sincere belief and dedication to it's practices. Wouldn't it be easier and more practical to study all religions? Then you can put the peices together and make your own. Or find one you really like and commit to it. 3nodding
It's not that I want to be a member of a religion, it's more that I just want to practice it and to see what they experience. I know, confusing, but it makes sense in my head.
And I am studying all religions currently, working on them one by one. And it just gets me pumped.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:07 am
Yami_Ichi RubyLight What you a posing is interesting, but impossible. To truly be a member of a religion would require sincere belief and dedication to it's practices. Wouldn't it be easier and more practical to study all religions? Then you can put the peices together and make your own. Or find one you really like and commit to it. 3nodding
It's not that I want to be a member of a religion, it's more that I just want to practice it and to see what they experience. I know, confusing, but it makes sense in my head.
And I am studying all religions currently, working on them one by one. And it just gets me pumped.I think that sounds pretty cool, really. There is a lot to be gained by actually living something, instead of only studying it.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:24 am
Yami_Ichi MissDemeter You can't. Even in the bible, one of the commandments is: You shall have no other gods before me. Also, I'm sure many other religions have this sort of stipulation.
I'm not putting any god before another, they are all on the same level to me. No god is more important than another god. Sure, may say it's impossible. But it's not in my eyes.So you believe in the God of the Bible, you believe that the Bible is true, and yet you think you can put other gods on His level? I'm not going to stop you doing that, go ahead and believe what you want, but the Bible does teach against that. Jesus (in Matthew 6:24 (NIV)) 24"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money. When Jesus said that, He was talking about money, but He's basically saying there that nobody can serve two masters. Placing all gods on the same level and trying to follow all religions is trying to serve two masters, and therefore impossible. Again, I'm not trying to change what you believe, just telling you that you can't justify it by the Bible, which you seemed to be trying to do.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:01 pm
-shrug- Leave YHWH (for the most part) alone and you shouldn't have too much trouble, unless you try to make gods who don't like each other work with one another. That doesn't catch on very well, I've heard.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:46 pm
Voldemort point two Yami_Ichi MissDemeter You can't. Even in the bible, one of the commandments is: You shall have no other gods before me. Also, I'm sure many other religions have this sort of stipulation.
I'm not putting any god before another, they are all on the same level to me. No god is more important than another god. Sure, may say it's impossible. But it's not in my eyes.So you believe in the God of the Bible, you believe that the Bible is true, and yet you think you can put other gods on His level? I'm not going to stop you doing that, go ahead and believe what you want, but the Bible does teach against that. Jesus (in Matthew 6:24 (NIV)) 24"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money. When Jesus said that, He was talking about money, but He's basically saying there that nobody can serve two masters. Placing all gods on the same level and trying to follow all religions is trying to serve two masters, and therefore impossible. Again, I'm not trying to change what you believe, just telling you that you can't justify it by the Bible, which you seemed to be trying to do.
And I am not serving two masters. It's hard for me to put into words really, but I'm trying. =]
I was a Christian for the longest time, raised in a home with all Christians, raised around them, in church since I was born, etc. But I felt there was more to learn from the world, so I 'abandoned' that religion, so to speak. I no longer consider myself a Christian because I do not worship God. So, I am not bound to the rules of that religion (as someone so wonderfully put it before).
And I thank you for your respect. =]
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:47 pm
klamation Yami_Ichi RubyLight What you a posing is interesting, but impossible. To truly be a member of a religion would require sincere belief and dedication to it's practices. Wouldn't it be easier and more practical to study all religions? Then you can put the peices together and make your own. Or find one you really like and commit to it. 3nodding
It's not that I want to be a member of a religion, it's more that I just want to practice it and to see what they experience. I know, confusing, but it makes sense in my head.
And I am studying all religions currently, working on them one by one. And it just gets me pumped.I think that sounds pretty cool, really. There is a lot to be gained by actually living something, instead of only studying it.
And from what I've done so far, it is really interesting. Granted, it's not a lot. But I have a whole life, perhaps more, to do this.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:49 pm
Nines19 -shrug- Leave YHWH (for the most part) alone and you shouldn't have too much trouble, unless you try to make gods who don't like each other work with one another. That doesn't catch on very well, I've heard.
So I don't think I should have any problems there. =]
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:05 pm
Yami_Ichi Nines19 -shrug- Leave YHWH (for the most part) alone and you shouldn't have too much trouble, unless you try to make gods who don't like each other work with one another. That doesn't catch on very well, I've heard.
So I don't think I should have any problems there. =] Be safe, learn lots, try not to piss anything powerful off, and you should be fine.
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:24 pm
Seriously, this sounds similar to what I do. After a while, you might even learn to shift your perspective on a dime between those bits you've explored.
That bit at the core, that never changes? That's you. If something chaffes, bend for it to experience it. In a weird way, this is a very new approach to a very old Hindu idea of meditation - the only one by which a human could achieve enlightenment in a single lifetime.
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:57 pm
MissDemeter You can't. Even in the bible, one of the commandments is: You shall have no other gods before me. Also, I'm sure many other religions have this sort of stipulation.
The Buddha never claimed to be a god, he is simply an enlightened man.
The philosophies and ethics might intersect a little, but I can't think of any reason off the top of my head why they would.
@Yami_Ichi: Sounds like a really cool idea. I've thought about doing that myself. Living by the rules of one religion for a month or two, then by the rules of another for a month, and so on and so on.
But I decided to just learn a little bit about different religions before taking on a project that big.
But I'd say go for it if you have the time and commitment for that.
EDIT: If you do, blog your experiences. Maybe you could write a book some day.
I'd buy it.
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:03 am
Voldemort point two Yami_Ichi MissDemeter You can't. Even in the bible, one of the commandments is: You shall have no other gods before me. Also, I'm sure many other religions have this sort of stipulation.
I'm not putting any god before another, they are all on the same level to me. No god is more important than another god. Sure, may say it's impossible. But it's not in my eyes.So you believe in the God of the Bible, you believe that the Bible is true, and yet you think you can put other gods on His level? I'm not going to stop you doing that, go ahead and believe what you want, but the Bible does teach against that. Jesus (in Matthew 6:24 (NIV)) 24"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money. When Jesus said that, He was talking about money, but He's basically saying there that nobody can serve two masters. Placing all gods on the same level and trying to follow all religions is trying to serve two masters, and therefore impossible. Again, I'm not trying to change what you believe, just telling you that you can't justify it by the Bible, which you seemed to be trying to do. Actually, Matthew 6:24 says, "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." I don't know where money came from, but mammon is terminology for Satan. It generally means that you can't stay in between serving both God and Satan. Is this from the new translation? If so, not to be crucial or anything, but I don't personally like it. It twists words around in my opinion... So, summing up, this means that you can't serve Satan and God. You have to choose one (hopefully the right one) to follow. With your problem, person who started this thread, you are either serving God or Satan with the choices of who you serve. I wouldn't know if you are serving God or Satan with each religion, but if you feel it's right, go with it.
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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:21 pm
I hope you come out of your experiences with a stronger faith, and with the enlightenment that it seems to me that you are searching for, Yami.
It sounds to me that you know what you already believe and you are just searching for deeper understanding, and I feel that God will bless you fervent seeking.
I believe along the lines that every religion about a Creator God Who is Light holds different pieces of the Truth in the same God. I also believe many philosophers have also discovered and revealed aspects on the nature of God and the universe. So... when you read about God in the Bible and then read about Truth in the Vedas or Zoroaster, or the Quoran, etc. you are in essence seeing many small pieces to the whole.
Even as individuals we know each other in different ways. No one will ever know me in the totality of all that I am. They may have an idea, but they will never experience it. My husband knows me as his friend and wife, but my children see me as a mother. My parents know me as their daughter, and my siblings know me as their sibling. Even I see myself differently than the way they see me, and will never know myself in the way that they know me. Does it make the way they know me wrong? No, they are relating to me in the perspective that they are given to know me.
Religions are just a vehicle for God to introduce Him/Her self to humanity. God is neither male nor female. God is too great to be contained in a book, or even in every book. God is too great to be contained in one religion, or even in all religions.
Practicing religion isn't what assures your place in the afterlife, living your faith is. God wants us to seek, not believe blindly. We do not exercise free will when we just let someone or something else tell us what to believe. It is easy to be led astray, even by the most well-meaning people, when you don't seek out the Truth for yourself. You cannot practice another person's faith, but you can practice anyone's religion.
As long as you already have the foundations of your faith, and you know that you believe in them no matter what, then investigating the other side of the many coins out there will only help to reaffirm and strengthen your beliefs.
For those people who are not sure what to believe, I suggest figuring out what you can believe to be true about God before trying to define the religious faction you belong to.
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