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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:47 pm

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about a year ago ao hardcore cathloic/ right wing extremeist, argued with me for about an hour saying that. "its freedom OF religion. and someone being an atheist is does not count as a relgion, so they do not count underthis and MUST belive something" (he later told me if he was in power he would try and pass a law making someone being a noncathloic a punishable offence) this sent me off my nut and ended it by saying "if you told all the athesits they have to belive something, and if there really as immoral as you say they are. dont you think they would rebell and cause riots ?"
disclaimer: i by no mean am trying to make right wingers look bad

with that being said it really should be freedom FROM religion. and even if it is intrepreted as OF, then you should be able to belive what ever you want. i mean if someone can call a flying spagetii monster there god. then you can belive or do what you want.

Here's an interesting point-The IRS considers atheism to be a religion. So to all the people who argue that you have to believe something, there's always that. So you should tell that to this person. Furthermore, I've also met a few people like this-one of them actually told me that not being a Christian should get people the death penalty, because Christianity is the only 'true' religion. But the point is, if it isn't freedom from religion, it should be. Most of the 'enlightened thinkers' who came up with the philosophy this country is founded on were atheists, so logically, it's citizens can be atheists too.

Atheism is a belief/religion. It's the belief in nothing.

No, the belief in nothing is nihilism.

Technically, maybe. Nihilism is the belief that nothing should exist. Atheism is the belief in no God. Still a belief.

Technically, atheism isn't so much believing in no god as it is believing that there are no gods. 'Belief in no god' suggests that you acknowledge that there are gods just don't believe in any one in particular-that's agnostism. Believing that there are not gods, however, is that you don't think that there is a higher power of any sort. It's kind of a sematic difference, but a big distinction.

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:53 pm

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about a year ago ao hardcore cathloic/ right wing extremeist, argued with me for about an hour saying that. "its freedom OF religion. and someone being an atheist is does not count as a relgion, so they do not count underthis and MUST belive something" (he later told me if he was in power he would try and pass a law making someone being a noncathloic a punishable offence) this sent me off my nut and ended it by saying "if you told all the athesits they have to belive something, and if there really as immoral as you say they are. dont you think they would rebell and cause riots ?"
disclaimer: i by no mean am trying to make right wingers look bad

with that being said it really should be freedom FROM religion. and even if it is intrepreted as OF, then you should be able to belive what ever you want. i mean if someone can call a flying spagetii monster there god. then you can belive or do what you want.

Here's an interesting point-The IRS considers atheism to be a religion. So to all the people who argue that you have to believe something, there's always that. So you should tell that to this person. Furthermore, I've also met a few people like this-one of them actually told me that not being a Christian should get people the death penalty, because Christianity is the only 'true' religion. But the point is, if it isn't freedom from religion, it should be. Most of the 'enlightened thinkers' who came up with the philosophy this country is founded on were atheists, so logically, it's citizens can be atheists too.

Atheism is a belief/religion. It's the belief in nothing.

No, the belief in nothing is nihilism.

Technically, maybe. Nihilism is the belief that nothing should exist. Atheism is the belief in no God. Still a belief.

Technically, atheism isn't so much believing in no god as it is believing that there are no gods. 'Belief in no god' suggests that you acknowledge that there are gods just don't believe in any one in particular-that's agnostism. Believing that there are not gods, however, is that you don't think that there is a higher power of any sort. It's kind of a sematic difference, but a big distinction.

I've always hated semantics, but you're right.

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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:54 pm

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Atheism is a belief/religion. It's the belief in nothing.

No, the belief in nothing is nihilism.

Technically, maybe. Nihilism is the belief that nothing should exist. Atheism is the belief in no God. Still a belief.

Technically, atheism isn't so much believing in no god as it is believing that there are no gods. 'Belief in no god' suggests that you acknowledge that there are gods just don't believe in any one in particular-that's agnostism. Believing that there are not gods, however, is that you don't think that there is a higher power of any sort. It's kind of a sematic difference, but a big distinction.

I've always hated semantics, but you're right.

Thank you. Anyway, if this country has religious freedom, then that should me freedom to be an atheist as well. Those who say otherwise, are, quite frankly, theocratic morons.

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:31 pm

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Thank you. Anyway, if this country has religious freedom, then that should me freedom to be an atheist as well. Those who say otherwise, are, quite frankly, theocratic morons.

So true. This country is a pseudo-democracy, and has no ties to a theocratic government. God, those are rife with corruption out of necessity.

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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:18 pm

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Thank you. Anyway, if this country has religious freedom, then that should me freedom to be an atheist as well. Those who say otherwise, are, quite frankly, theocratic morons.

So true. This country is a pseudo-democracy, and has no ties to a theocratic government. God, those are rife with corruption out of necessity.

Exactly. If this government were a theocracy-and I know of a fair number of people who think it is/want it to be-then we'd have even more problems than we already do. So, if people start reading 'freedom of religion' as 'everyone must have a religion', we're screwed. Royally.

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:32 pm

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Thank you. Anyway, if this country has religious freedom, then that should me freedom to be an atheist as well. Those who say otherwise, are, quite frankly, theocratic morons.

So true. This country is a pseudo-democracy, and has no ties to a theocratic government. God, those are rife with corruption out of necessity.

Exactly. If this government were a theocracy-and I know of a fair number of people who think it is/want it to be-then we'd have even more problems than we already do. So, if people start reading 'freedom of religion' as 'everyone must have a religion', we're screwed. Royally.

That's why, more often than not, I use the term "freedom from religion". Besides, "freedom of religion" means that any choice is acceptable. No choice is a choice.

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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:38 pm

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Besides, "freedom of religion" means that any choice is acceptable. No choice is a choice.

I think that the number of people who disagree on that would surprise you...

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:47 pm

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Besides, "freedom of religion" means that any choice is acceptable. No choice is a choice.

I think that the number of people who disagree on that would surprise you...

It wouldn't surprise me one bit. I'm well aware of the fact that many people are unaware of logical thought. Presuming that you must make a choice, or be found at fault, is a logical fallacy.

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