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Yeah but... not all girls are like that. XD I'm not very sensitive OR feminine. But you know, part of role playing is being someone that you're not. And role playing the other gender doesn't mean you have to pigeonhole them into society's sterotype of what a man or a woman should be.

Actually. I re-read my post, and I never once said "you guys". I refered directly to the one poster that I quoted, and said that I don't understand why he wouldn't RP a female in a shoujo ai guild.

Calm down... I'm not attacking you or something. You did say "you guys"... "-but what did you guys expect in a yuri guild?". I mean, why can't everyone just get along.

And to people saying "you should expect a yuri guild to be mainly a female guild"; I join both yuri and yaoi guilds and in both, girls generally say it's meant for girls... so where do guys fit in? =/

Yeah im with ya on that... I was just giving an example of how people could feel "segregated" but... she took it too personally.

Uhh. I'm not feeling offended in the least. I'm sorry if you felt my response was abrasive, but it wasn't intended to be that way.

I guess I didn't re-read my post well enough, because now I do see "you guys". But when I say "you guys", I don't mean guys in the term of boys, or the male gender. I ment the people who felt they couldn't role play a female character.

Yeah, everyone can get along in this guild. I'm not angry with anyone. As I stated, I just don't know what people are thinking when they say they can't role play a female in a shoujo ai guild. I mean... shojo ai = girls, yes yes? Or just accept the fact that there's not going to be a huge role for male characters in a girl's love role playing game.

I totally understand the "Why cant people rp a girl in a girl x girl rp?" thing. Of course, realistically, I also don't see why they can't play a guy. In lots of shoujo-ai there are male characters.... it's pretty unrealistic when it's a society of all women or something. So in that aspect I could also see someone wanting to play a guy in a shoujo ai rp. Now... if it was one of those "All girl school" rp's, then no, wanting to play a guy would be dumb... but maybe we SHOULD have an rp in the guild where you can play either a guy or a girl... since it seems at least one person wants that. As I said earlier, I don't rp here so I wouldn't know what goes on there... I'm thinking I'll keep a closer eye on the rp's now but... the argument does have two sides, heck, otherwise it wouldnt be an argument.

Okay.

I'm jumping in here.

I don't know why everyone jumped all over Ghoulish Reminders like OMGZ Y R U SO MEEN 2 ALL MENZ???!?!? If you read her post, she never said anything like that.

She and I have discussed this topic in person pretty extensively.

For those of you who are like "OMGZ CALM DOWN LIEK Y R U SO MAD?!?!?!"

Remember: You're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. NOBODY IS MAD. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? It's obnoxious that you guys are trying to demonize one person and say that theyre EXPLOSIVE WITH ANGER when they're simply not. You're trying to see a problem where there ISN'T one.

Not to be an a** but I dont' see what the problem is here.

This is a guild dedicated to celebrating shoujo-ai and yuri (well.. XD; since this is a PG-13 guild its really about Shoujo-Ai and not the true sense of Yuri)

Shoujo-Ai is actually MADE BY WOMEN and AIMED TOWARDS WOMEN in most cases. To whoever made a statement to the opposite. Shoujo-ai is enjoyed by a lot of women, heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual alike. A lot of men also enjoy Shojo-ai, but they are not usually the target audience. Shoujo-ai usually focuses more on ROMANCE, which is typically more popular with WOMEN. That's why it's aimed towards women and has a mostly female audience (if you need proof that mostly WOMEN enjoy shoujo-ai, look at THIS guild or any other girl/girl guild.) Hardcore yuri may be targeted toward men in general, but this guild isn't about ANYTHING hardcore so we may as well disregard hardcore Yuri completely.

Anyhow. There's a good deal of male shoujo-ai fans, which is wonderful. There is no reason they can't enjoy a good shoujo-ai just as much as any woman. The more shoujo-ai fans, the merrier!

I do see the dilemna that the men may feel out of place. Since we can't share scans of Shoujo-ai here, there's a limited amount of what we CAN talk about. And of course when we're discussing REAL-LIFE girl/girl experiences.. XD; well they're clearly not going to have a lot to contribute to the conversation.

This is not a fault of the guild, but just the way these kidns of guilds work. What needs to be done is that we need to find more topics that both genders can talk about. biggrin

On the topic of RPing.. I think that it's agreed by all of the girls here that we have NO problem with guys roleplaying girls. biggrin If you go into yaoi guilds, you will find TONS of girls roleplaying guys. Roleplaying is just about that-- playing a ROLE. Not playing WHO YOU ARE. Playing someone else! Why not someone of the opposite gender? If you like Shoujo-ai, then you're free to role-play your own shoujo-ai relationship online!

If you're not comfortable roleplaying a female, you hvae to realize that you've limited your possibilities for roleplaying. That's not the guild's fault. There ARE male characters in most shoujo-ai (as long as its not set in an all-girls school, etc.) Male characters CAN exist here too. They can be classmates, best friends, the sorta maaatchmaker character who helps girls in denial get together! XD There's actually a LOT of fun roles that a male can play that aren't romantic. Girls may ALSO find it fun to play a male character in a similar way. biggrin

If you WANT to roleplay a male character in a ROMANTIC role here.. ... well.. I mean, SERIOUSLY, what did you expect? This is a SHOUJO-AI guild. We want to celebrate and explore GIRL-GIRL relationships. Not heterosexual relationships. For that, you can go to ANY OTHER GUILD IN GAIA. Really. A lot of girls here arent comfortable with having male characters around hitting on female characters. But if you have a character who is not romantically involved or Looking to become romantically involved, I don't see any conflict of issues.

Now. Can this topic freaking REST already? Hasn't it all been said?

For the guys who are ALL about roleplaying girls or guys(non-romantic roles) -- biggrin Awesome. Have fun.

For the guys who FOR SOME REASON are incapable of realizing that NOBODY WANTS TO ROLEPLAY HETEROSEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS IN A GIRL/GIRL GUILD. May I direct you towards another guild where this would be more welcome?

For everyone - Let's all try to make an effort to make ALL of our guild members feel more welcome. biggrin Brainstorm better solutions than trying to start fights.

If this post makes me sound like I'm mad-- it's your perception. I'm not mad at all. But I'm always told that I sound mad. So don't quote me and say OMGZZ Y R U SO MAD?? or I will actually BE mad.

Dude, she did say that male characters were, of course, more than welcome in the RP portion of this guild. And I think she made some of the things in caps to get the important points across. Which apparently didn't work.

Also, if I were angry, trust me, you'd know it. Telling you that I re-read my post isn't my way of being mean or rude. I also don't consider this an arguement, I would call it a discussion. No one is aruging. I wasn't aruging either... just voicing my opinion on the issue is all. No one's getting out the pitchforks and trying to chase the guys (and yes, this time I do mean men) out.

Guys can, of course fit into a shoujo-ai story line. The reason I said what I oringally said was because the poster seemed like they were complaining about there not being roles for guys, or having to play a female character. "Well, what do you expect in a shoujo-ai guild?". See what I'm saying?

So to get this clear... Yes. There is room for male members of this guild. They are, of course, just as welcome as the female members. Yes, there are more female members of this guild, because shoujo-ai is more directed towards them. No, I don't believe guys should feel left out, because none of the girls of the guild are calling them out. Yes. Boys can, and are encouraged to role play female or male characters. No one's holding them back.