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And what is the most disgusting is that we own the airwaves they make their profits from. And then they fall down on their end of the bargain. And then the government did away with the only real responsibility they had to us. EQUAL TIME RULE

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When I made my comparison I was using the United States standard (seeing as this topic is dealing with the U.S.) so my comparison is valid.


That's an intensely stupid way to analyse the media.

If you were to compare, for example, Duchess and myself, to say that she is a "conservative" simply because she is more towards the moderate end of the liberal spectrum than I would be patently false. Equally, to say that CNN, CBS and other news sources are "liberal" simply by virtue of their being more moderate than Fox, when they're definitively not liberal would also be patently false.

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When I made my comparison I was using the United States standard (seeing as this topic is dealing with the U.S.) so my comparison is valid.


That's an intensely stupid way to analyse the media.


And that's an intensely mean way to address a fellow human being.

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If you were to compare, for example, Duchess and myself, to say that she is a "conservative" simply because she is more towards the moderate end of the liberal spectrum than I would be patently false. Equally, to say that CNN, CBS and other news sources are "liberal" simply by virtue of their being more moderate than Fox, when they're definitively not liberal would also be patently false.


Definitely not liberal, my left foot. When I can't find articles about such things as Gorelick's FBI/CIA separation memo or Sandy Berger's theft of classified papers on any network but Fox, I call that being liberal. Oh, sure, they'll bury the stories in a sentence or two in an article about how badly Bush is doing or how great Kerry is, but they won't really cover it. Just because most of Europe and Australia is more liberal than the liberals in the US doesn't mean they're not liberal.

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And what is the most disgusting is that we own the airwaves they make their profits from. And then they fall down on their end of the bargain. And then the government did away with the only real responsibility they had to us. EQUAL TIME RULE


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Fox News is a cable station. The government doesn't own the cable systems.

And the Equal Time Rule still exists. It's always been about advertising, not about what the news programs showed.

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If you were to compare, for example, Duchess and myself, to say that she is a "conservative" simply because she is more towards the moderate end of the liberal spectrum than I would be patently false. Equally, to say that CNN, CBS and other news sources are "liberal" simply by virtue of their being more moderate than Fox, when they're definitively not liberal would also be patently false.


Definitely not liberal, my left foot. Whne I can't find articles about such things as Gorelick's FBI/CIA separation memo or Sandy Berger's theft of classified papers on any network but Fox, I call that being liberal. Oh, sure, they'll bury the stories in a sentence or two in an article about how badly Bush is doing or how great Kerry is, but they won't really cover it. Just because most of Europe and Australia is more liberal than the liberals in the US doesn't mean they're not liberal.



hmmm.....well i typed the words "Sandy Berger" into google, and came up with critical articles from sources like National Review, CNN, CBS, National Press, Fox News, Washington Monthly, Washington Post, and ABC. Did you even try looking for aritlces? I think you're lying.

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Typical, heres the scoop, FOX ratings have been at the top and Bill has the 8'o clock spot by a margain so the liberals are using childish tactics to pinch at him, they never work.


If by 'childish tactics' you mean 'criticism and refudation of claims and criticism of punditry technique' then, sure.

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More people watch fox than any other network that is a fact!


Maybe you meant to say that more people watch Fox [News] than any other [news] network. And that's sort of not true - CNN has a larger audience, it turns out.

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The democrats have done as much good for the United States as the republicans have (maybe more in my opinion).


The F.L.S. in studies of historical and political law experts concluded the same thing, but said that the difference was infantesimal. There have been good Republicans and bad Republicans, and situational reality makes it easier or harder for them to accomplish in their own timeframes.

Sucky republican presidiencies bring about progressive democratic regimes, and sucky democratic regimes bring about progressive republican regimes. It's always been this way, methinks, since we settled out of whig-tory relationships of the founding era.

Example: Hoover's disasterous hands-off free-market government brought about continual and manifold descent into the great economic crash through ham-fisted refusal to and set the stage for Franklin Delano Roosevelt's radical and often socialist methods of prompting a recovery through governmental stabilization. His methods were controversial and often times perfectly exampling the Imperial Presidency (like when he tried to stuff the Supreme Court with supportive judges and give him free reign over constitutionality). Hoover sets the stage for FDR to begin to be seen as one of the greatest presidents. ANd there are numerous such examples, both ways ..

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And what is the most disgusting is that we own the airwaves they make their profits from. And then they fall down on their end of the bargain. And then the government did away with the only real responsibility they had to us. EQUAL TIME RULE

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Fox News is a cable station. The government doesn't own the cable systems.

And the Equal Time Rule still exists. It's always been about advertising, not about what the news programs showed.

OK I did a lot of searching, finally found an article that explains things in laymans terms. The public's airwaves. This is by no means the only place it states that the airwaves DO belong to the public, including Fox, but it was the most understandable (no lawyer speak).

I was incorrect about the equal time rule, I was thinking about the Fairness Doctrine. My mistake. Television stations are owned by individuals or corporations (which is more common), but the airwaves are licensed to them by the FCC and therefore fall under FCC standards. Which the Fairness Doctrine used to cover, until the 1980's when Reagan abolished it.

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And what is the most disgusting is that we own the airwaves they make their profits from. And then they fall down on their end of the bargain. And then the government did away with the only real responsibility they had to us. EQUAL TIME RULE

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Fox News is a cable station. The government doesn't own the cable systems.

And the Equal Time Rule still exists. It's always been about advertising, not about what the news programs showed.

OK I did a lot of searching, finally found an article that explains things in laymans terms. The public's airwaves. This is by no means the only place it states that the airwaves DO belong to the public, including Fox, but it was the most understandable (no lawyer speak).

I was incorrect about the equal time rule, I was thinking about the Fairness Doctrine. My mistake. Television stations are owned by individuals or corporations (which is more common), but the airwaves are licensed to them by the FCC and therefore fall under FCC standards. Which the Fairness Doctrine used to cover, until the 1980's when Reagan abolished it.


Once again, cable is not the airwaves. The Fairness Doctrine wouldn't apply even it still existed.

*edit* KSU's telecom page on cable does a good job of explaining it.

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When I made my comparison I was using the United States standard (seeing as this topic is dealing with the U.S.) so my comparison is valid.


That's an intensely stupid way to analyse the media.

If you were to compare, for example, Duchess and myself(sic), to say that she is a "conservative" simply because she is more towards the moderate end of the liberal spectrum than(sic) I would be patently false. Equally, to say that CNN, CBS and other news sources are "liberal" simply by virtue of their being more moderate than Fox, when they're definitively not liberal would also be patently false.

No the definition of "liberal" and "conservative" in America is different than the definition of "liberal" and "conservative" in other parts of the world.

You, yourself, said so
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Americans are just way out in the right field.
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