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The Internet can be a peculiar medium—it has spawned its own thriving culture. New words are generated, existing words recreated. One such word is “literacy”. No longer does it simply mean the ability to read and write; it now carries with it the implication of virtual perfection. "Literacy" in this context implies a use of a valid grammar—or, rather, a scholastic, prescriptive¹ grammar. This is, of course, not without irony: those who most ardently support this strict formalism are often oblivious of all the subtleties and nuances of the grammar they proclaim to cherish and follow so dearly.

Modern grammarians are abandoning the idea of prescriptive grammar, instead favoring a descriptive² grammar; they realize that the rules of language are, at heart, a mimetic emergence of conversation. In other words, the rules do not create the language; the language creates the rules. Language is an evolutionary entity. If you look at the history of the English language, you will find its grammar has already been diminished. In Old English, there still existed a complete system of inflection³. We preserve some of that today, but only in pronouns and, to some degree, "irregular" verbs. This trend is present in all languages. Greek has lost much of its complexity, using a stress accent instead of a pitch accent, losing several inflections, κ.τ.λ.

In the distant past, few people were literate because of the complexity of language. Written language existed largely through inscriptions into stone—therefore, much thought had to be put into what was to be written; making a slight error would be an incredible waste, as the inscriber would have to begin anew. Then we acquired paper, and language eventually molded itself around this new medium. It simplified to ease the process of writing the much longer passages possible. The simplification of language has paralleled the development of writing systems.

The trend of any system is toward chaos, yet, in the case of language, the chaos is efficiency. We have found (and are always finding more and more) that we do not need all of that grammatical bloat to accomplish the purpose of language: the transmission of ideas. Netspeak is simply the natural progression thence; it is the adaptation of written language to the communication methods we have today, for optimal speed and accuracy.

Some may argue that with the increase of efficiency we lose the latent beauty of language. It is ironic, then, that among the most beautiful forms of literature is poetry—a form which tends to bend or break the rules of language. And why did these people break grammatical rules? Simple—they could not express themselves as they needed by “correct” means. This aside, the reason people tend to view English as beautiful is because they fear the changes they see occurring in the language. They abhor this change, as humans always have. They cling to their quite antiquated language, and disdain the newly developing, superior system of communication.

Netspeak is a glimpse of the future. It is both an inevitable and a positive change. It is not of any assistance to strive for grammatical perfection; this is a hindrance to linguistic development. Rather, one should cherish this new and thriving writing system, and contribute to it positively.


1. A prescriptive grammar is one in which the rules are set for a language, and the language is developed around those rules. Compare to 2.
2. A descriptive grammar is one in which the language develops independently of the rules; the rules are mere observations of the trends within the language.
3. See http://www.engl.virginia.edu/OE/courses/handouts/magic.pdf as an example.
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Netspeak is a glimpse of the future. It is both an inevitable and a positive change. It is not of any assistance to strive for grammatical perfection; this is a hindrance to linguistic development. Rather, one should cherish this new and thriving writing system, and contribute to it positively.


If netspeak is a glimpse of the future, kill me now. Netspeak is pathetic at best. People receive an education so they can learn to read, write, do math problems, science, and etc. not so that the second they leave school they can butcher a language. Honestly, we should be striving to put down netspeak, as it is a mockery of anything with an I.Q. over 10.
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Netspeak is a glimpse of the future. It is both an inevitable and a positive change. It is not of any assistance to strive for grammatical perfection; this is a hindrance to linguistic development. Rather, one should cherish this new and thriving writing system, and contribute to it positively.


If netspeak is a glimpse of the future, kill me now. Netspeak is pathetic at best. People receive an education so they can learn to read, write, do math problems, science, and etc. not so that the second they leave school they can butcher a language. Honestly, we should be striving to put down netspeak, as it is a mockery of anything with an I.Q. over 10.


Try using your beloved language and read the rest of the essay.
Yes, but it can go to far. Language is used for communication, if it changes to rapidly, people will become confused and lost, and the language has lost its effectiveness, and will then die.
Atrus6
Yes, but it can go to far. Language is used for communication, if it changes to rapidly, people will become confused and lost, and the language has lost its effectiveness, and will then die.


I'm not calling for a rapid change. I'm calling for an acceptance of the fact that change is inevitable.
skeate
The Internet can be a peculiar medium—it has spawned its own thriving culture. New words are generated, existing words recreated. One such word is “literacy”. No longer does it simply mean the ability to read and write; it now carries with it the implication of virtual perfection. "Literacy" in this context implies a use of a valid grammar—or, rather, a scholastic, prescriptive¹ grammar. This is, of course, not without irony: those who most ardently support this strict formalism are often oblivious of all the subtleties and nuances of the grammar they proclaim to cherish and follow so dearly.

Modern grammarians are abandoning the idea of prescriptive grammar, instead favoring a descriptive² grammar; they realize that the rules of language are, at heart, a mimetic emergence of conversation. In other words, the rules do not create the language; the language creates the rules. Language is an evolutionary entity. If you look at the history of the English language, you will find its grammar has already been diminished. In Old English, there still existed a complete system of inflection³. We preserve some of that today, but only in pronouns and, to some degree, "irregular" verbs. This trend is present in all languages. Greek has lost much of its complexity, using a stress accent instead of a pitch accent, losing several inflections, κ.τ.λ.

In the distant past, few people were literate because of the complexity of language. Written language existed largely through inscriptions into stone—therefore, much thought had to be put into what was to be written; making a slight error would be an incredible waste, as the inscriber would have to begin anew. Then we acquired paper, and language eventually molded itself around this new medium. It simplified to ease the process of writing the much longer passages possible. The simplification of language has paralleled the development of writing systems.

The trend of any system is toward chaos, yet, in the case of language, the chaos is efficiency. We have found (and are always finding more and more) that we do not need all of that grammatical bloat to accomplish the purpose of language: the transmission of ideas. Netspeak is simply the natural progression thence; it is the adaptation of written language to the communication methods we have today, for optimal speed and accuracy.

Some may argue that with the increase of efficiency we lose the latent beauty of language. It is ironic, then, that among the most beautiful forms of literature is poetry—a form which tends to bend or break the rules of language. And why did these people break grammatical rules? Simple—they could not express themselves as they needed by “correct” means. This aside, the reason people tend to view English as beautiful is because they fear the changes they see occurring in the language. They abhor this change, as humans always have. They cling to their quite antiquated language, and disdain the newly developing, superior system of communication.

Netspeak is a glimpse of the future. It is both an inevitable and a positive change. It is not of any assistance to strive for grammatical perfection; this is a hindrance to linguistic development. Rather, one should cherish this new and thriving writing system, and contribute to it positively.


1. A prescriptive grammar is one in which the rules are set for a language, and the language is developed around those rules. Compare to 2.
2. A descriptive grammar is one in which the language develops independently of the rules; the rules are mere observations of the trends within the language.
3. See http://www.engl.virginia.edu/OE/courses/handouts/magic.pdf as an example.


A glimpse of the future netspeak might be -- if it weren't a sign of lack of education.

If netspeak were a trend that came about to further speed and accuracy when transmitting messages, and were developed by people intending that purpose, it would be much more valid. Netspeak today is a direct result, not of linguistic development, but of the degeneration of our educational system. People don't use netspeak because they want to, they use it because they don't know how to use anything more complex.

I believe that language will not evolve towards netspeak; it may become more relaxed in its stringent rules of grammar, but in an ideal situation (which evolution ought to further), netspeak will die out. It serves only as an escape for the lazy or the unintelligent, and is often well nigh illegible to those who have taken the time to master the language as it is.

Language, if it degenerates to netspeak, will lose complexity and depth of nuance, which I find abhorrent -- this would mean that we as a culture would lose some of our ability to express differences through the use of "archaic" grammatical structure. I would dread the day that 'thx' replaced all other forms of grateful expression, and would not want to live in a world where my own ability to express myself was so limited.
JesanaeTekani
A glimpse of the future netspeak might be -- if it weren't a sign of lack of education.

If netspeak were a trend that came about to further speed and accuracy when transmitting messages, and were developed by people intending that purpose, it would be much more valid. Netspeak today is a direct result, not of linguistic development, but of the degeneration of our educational system. People don't use netspeak because they want to, they use it because they don't know how to use anything more complex.

I believe that language will not evolve towards netspeak; it may become more relaxed in its stringent rules of grammar, but in an ideal situation (which evolution ought to further), netspeak will die out. It serves only as an escape for the lazy or the unintelligent, and is often well nigh illegible to those who have taken the time to master the language as it is.

Language, if it degenerates to netspeak, will lose complexity and depth of nuance, which I find abhorrent -- this would mean that we as a culture would lose some of our ability to express differences through the use of "archaic" grammatical structure. I would dread the day that 'thx' replaced all other forms of grateful expression, and would not want to live in a world where my own ability to express myself was so limited.


It's hardly a sign of lack of education. I see very well educated people using Netspeak (to some degree or another) all the time. The methods of expression may seem limited in current Netspeak, but this is because it has not been around long enough. Truly, do you feel your possible modes of expression are limited because we only have a few words for love, whilst Sanskrit bears in excess of 20? No.

Also, I said it is a glimpse. The next iteration of written English is not Netspeak, but it will be something not terribly unlike it.
skeate
Netspeak is a glimpse of the future. It is both an inevitable and a positive change. It is not of any assistance to strive for grammatical perfection; this is a hindrance to linguistic development. Rather, one should cherish this new and thriving writing system, and contribute to it positively.

What are you TALKING about? If we decided "******** at the grammar, it no makes senses" it would be much more difficult to communicate. Netspeak is just people being lazy and typing abbreviations instead of words, not the evolution of words through slang or connotations applied by happenings in society.

There's a difference between the meaning of "Ground Zero" changing because of 9/11 and the connotations of "asylum" changing from something good (as it is protection) to something bad (as it has become essentially a synonym with insane asylum) and the changing of people from typing normal words to typing with "IBTL LOLMAO RTFM QQ SFT2M"

New netspeak terms arise because people are lazy. They are not slowly recognized by a majority of the people because people see it for the first time and easily derive the intended meaning of the abbreviation. Rather, most people who know netspeak terms find out by asking "Hey, what does IBTL mean?"

While it is true that language evolves, it does so because the "new" language of speaking/writing becomes accepted by a group of its speakers considerably larger than the majority, not because some people are lazy and didn't want to type an extra letter for "haha" instead of "lol"

On the other hand, netspeak in an informal setting is perfectly acceptable. I don't go around correcting people in real life speech when they end their sentences in prepositions, due partly to the fact that such is unnecessary and they can get their point across successfully without forcing me to attempt to interpret what their "words" mean, and also in part due to the fact that making English follow the rules of Latin is stupid. However, in a formal setting or any context where the speaker is trying to be taken seriously (such as ED) a use of intelligible language that doesn't potentially force readers to look up the definitions of your abbreviations is not only more effective, but more pleasing to the eye.

Just because the way you type doesn't matter some of the time doesn't mean that it will never matter at all at any time.
Lykus
skeate
Netspeak is a glimpse of the future. It is both an inevitable and a positive change. It is not of any assistance to strive for grammatical perfection; this is a hindrance to linguistic development. Rather, one should cherish this new and thriving writing system, and contribute to it positively.

What are you TALKING about? If we decided "******** at the grammar, it no makes senses" it would be much more difficult to communicate. Netspeak is just people being lazy and typing abbreviations instead of words, not the evolution of words through slang or connotations applied by happenings in society.


I did not say grammar is useless; I said prescriptive grammar is. Grammars naturally arise from language.
skeate
Lykus
skeate
Netspeak is a glimpse of the future. It is both an inevitable and a positive change. It is not of any assistance to strive for grammatical perfection; this is a hindrance to linguistic development. Rather, one should cherish this new and thriving writing system, and contribute to it positively.

What are you TALKING about? If we decided "******** at the grammar, it no makes senses" it would be much more difficult to communicate. Netspeak is just people being lazy and typing abbreviations instead of words, not the evolution of words through slang or connotations applied by happenings in society.

I did not say grammar is useless; I said prescriptive grammar is. Grammars naturally arise from language.

Well yeah, hence my "I don't correct end-of-sentence prepositions" thing.

However, we can't just completely change the way that we talk/write/type because of the fact that grammar arises from language and make it such that the resulting medium of communication is organized in a way that is a hamper to its interpretation by others. It is a good idea to strive for "perfection" in following the generally accepted and important rules of grammar with regard to the context in which the language is placed, but in all but the more formal settings, absolute perfect grammar is wasted effort.
Lykus
skeate
Lykus
skeate
Netspeak is a glimpse of the future. It is both an inevitable and a positive change. It is not of any assistance to strive for grammatical perfection; this is a hindrance to linguistic development. Rather, one should cherish this new and thriving writing system, and contribute to it positively.

What are you TALKING about? If we decided "******** at the grammar, it no makes senses" it would be much more difficult to communicate. Netspeak is just people being lazy and typing abbreviations instead of words, not the evolution of words through slang or connotations applied by happenings in society.

I did not say grammar is useless; I said prescriptive grammar is. Grammars naturally arise from language.

Well yeah, hence my "I don't correct end-of-sentence prepositions" thing.

However, we can't just completely change the way that we talk/write/type because of the fact that grammar arises from language and make it such that the resulting medium of communication is organized in a way that is a hamper to its interpretation by others. It is a good idea to strive for "perfection" in following the generally accepted and important rules of grammar with regard to the context in which the language is placed, but in all but the more formal settings, absolute perfect grammar is wasted effort.


And, slowly, the grammars of informality will seep over into more formal settings.

I think the biggest issue people take with my claims is that they seem to think I am implying they are happening now -- which to some respect they are, but as with biological evolution, these changes are VERY slow to occur.
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JesanaeTekani
A glimpse of the future netspeak might be -- if it weren't a sign of lack of education.

If netspeak were a trend that came about to further speed and accuracy when transmitting messages, and were developed by people intending that purpose, it would be much more valid. Netspeak today is a direct result, not of linguistic development, but of the degeneration of our educational system. People don't use netspeak because they want to, they use it because they don't know how to use anything more complex.

I believe that language will not evolve towards netspeak; it may become more relaxed in its stringent rules of grammar, but in an ideal situation (which evolution ought to further), netspeak will die out. It serves only as an escape for the lazy or the unintelligent, and is often well nigh illegible to those who have taken the time to master the language as it is.

Language, if it degenerates to netspeak, will lose complexity and depth of nuance, which I find abhorrent -- this would mean that we as a culture would lose some of our ability to express differences through the use of "archaic" grammatical structure. I would dread the day that 'thx' replaced all other forms of grateful expression, and would not want to live in a world where my own ability to express myself was so limited.


It's hardly a sign of lack of education. I see very well educated people using Netspeak (to some degree or another) all the time. The methods of expression may seem limited in current Netspeak, but this is because it has not been around long enough. Truly, do you feel your possible modes of expression are limited because we only have a few words for love, whilst Sanskrit bears in excess of 20? No.

Also, I said it is a glimpse. The next iteration of written English is not Netspeak, but it will be something not terribly unlike it.


You speak of the exception, not the rule. I, too, have observed educated people deliberately using netspeak, but they are in the minority. A much larger percentage of those who employ it are doing so because it rescues them from having to remember the actual structure of the sentences they wish to use -- it gives them an easy out of actually learning how to write coherently.

Lykus
Well yeah, hence my "I don't correct end-of-sentence prepositions" thing.

However, we can't just completely change the way that we talk/write/type because of the fact that grammar arises from language and make it such that the resulting medium of communication is organized in a way that is a hamper to its interpretation by others. It is a good idea to strive for "perfection" in following the generally accepted and important rules of grammar with regard to the context in which the language is placed, but in all but the more formal settings, absolute perfect grammar is wasted effort.


I disagree that it is wasted effort. It makes it easier for the largest number of people to understand -- even the uneducated can comprehend perfect grammar when they read it, unless it's so archaic as to have fallen out of regular use. I also believe it shows that more honest effort went into your work, and that you genuinely want it to be readable. I do not believe structure is more important than content, but neither do I believe the opposite; rather I think they are both important, and necessary.

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Ezra Pound
Modern grammarians are abandoning the idea of prescriptive grammar, instead favoring a descriptive² grammar ...
You wanna provide a source for that? Last I checked, in grammar school, they still teach you not to end sentences in a preposition, to use she or he when referring to gender neutral words like "everyone," and to ensure subject verb agreement. Just because you say so doesn't make it true.

Ezra Pound
In other words, the rules do not create the language; the language creates the rules.
The rules are what make any language understandable to others.

Ezra Pound
Language is an evolutionary entity.
Any linguist would vehemently agree with you there. However, a language's grammar is based on making sure that it functions for other speakers. However, even dialects that deviate markedly from the norm still have their own set rules.

Ezra Pound
In the distant past, few people were literate because of the complexity of language.
No. Few people were literate, because few people were educated outside of the home in any trade that did not concern them. You were only schooled if you were part of the nobility, or the clergy. Otherwise, you learned the trade of your parents. Learning to read and write did not measure any tangible benefits to you in those days. It had nothing to do with complexity.

Ezra Pound
Written language existed largely through inscriptions into stone—therefore, much thought had to be put into what was to be written; making a slight error would be an incredible waste, as the inscriber would have to begin anew. Then we acquired paper, and language eventually molded itself around this new medium. It simplified to ease the process of writing the much longer passages possible. The simplification of language has paralleled the development of writing systems.
If you look at those clay tablets to which you refer, most of them dealt with mundane things, like cheques, figures, and numbers. The art of writing for the sake of having things down on paper didn't come around until those ideas had to be transported to other places easily. Until that point, the beautiful language and longer passages were passed down orally. The invention of paper simply made it possible to take that oral tradition, and put it into writing.

Ezra Pound
The trend of any system is toward chaos, yet, in the case of language, the chaos is efficiency. We have found (and are always finding more and more) that we do not need all of that grammatical bloat to accomplish the purpose of language: the transmission of ideas.
That "grammatical bloat" you speak of is what makes the language accessible to the widest possible audience. Nonnative speakers need that "bloat" to make it possible to translate freely between their native tongues and the one that they are reading.

Ezra Pound
Netspeak is simply the natural progression thence; it is the adaptation of written language to the communication methods we have today, for optimal speed and accuracy.
Wait, what? I don't see how netspeak has anything to do with accuracy. Speed, maybe. Accuracy, not so much. If it's difficult enough to get across ideas through the written word while using helpful things like punctuation, and all the rest, how is it possible to throw all that out the window, and still communicate the intricacies of spoken word without it? There have been countless instances where the written word isn't sufficient to translate tone, meaning, and expression, and where the words become confused for more or less than they are. How then, by removing more of the buttresses that we use will we be getting across the information more accurately? I don't see the connection.

Ezra Pound
Some may argue that with the increase of efficiency we lose the latent beauty of language. It is ironic, then, that among the most beautiful forms of literature is poetry—a form which tends to bend or break the rules of language.
Beauty is subjective. Also, art is not meant to get across information. Art is meant to be an expression of a feeling for the artist. It's fine to appreciate art as in its own right for that reason--you don't /have/ to get everything spot on. Language as a whole bears a tougher burden than that.

Ezra Pound
And why did these people break grammatical rules? Simple—they could not express themselves as they needed by “correct” means.
We're talking apples and oranges here. Expressing feelings and emotions is different from communicating specific ideas. While an interpretive dance may be the best way for me to express my feelings, there leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Language needs to be more accurate and precise than that.

Ezra Pound
This aside, the reason people tend to view English as beautiful is because they fear the changes they see occurring in the language. They abhor this change, as humans always have. They cling to their quite antiquated language, and disdain the newly developing, superior system of communication.
You still haven't shown, aside from speed, how "txt sp33k" is superior to properly executed language.

Ezra Pound
Netspeak is a glimpse of the future. It is both an inevitable and a positive change. It is not of any assistance to strive for grammatical perfection; this is a hindrance to linguistic development. Rather, one should cherish this new and thriving writing system, and contribute to it positively.
You can cherish all you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that it's not a valid means of communication as properly written language is.
As there is no concrete system to netspeak, the best you could call it is a 'dialog'.

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