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If you intentionally break the rules, do you have the right to cry "discrimination"?

I ask because of the actions of the GSA (Gay/Straight Alliance) at my school. They recently decided to have a "Drag Day", and the president went way over the top. He got fake breasts, wore a low cut shirt, a mini skirt, and a really bizarre wig. He managed to get away with this for about an hour and half, but he was eventually called down to the principal's office and told to change because he was being disruptive to the learning environment. Now, whether or not he was being disruptive isn't the issue-it was clear that he was (people were laughing about it, paying more attention to it than to their classes, going out of their way to see him, etc.). The issue is this-he's done stupid things like this all year, and always with the intention of trying to be a target, so that he can cry "discrimination" when he gets caught. Furthermore, he broke the rules regarding dress code and club activities.

So, my question for you-if you break the rules, knowing that's what you're doing and doing it for that purpose and that purpose only, can you claim that they're (the law enforcers) are discriminating against you?

I don't think you can. You're knowingly breaking the rules-not in protest, and not in the spirit of the season (as in costumes on Halloween). You're trying to get in trouble, just so that you can use a lousy excuse to get out of it.

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Yeah, if you go out of your way to try to coax people into making fun of you or hate you then you have no right to complain about it once it comes around. He is just trying to provoke someone to either say something extremely rude or have someone commit an act of violence against him so that he can go whine to someone and promote his cause. People that are idiots like this need to be shot. (....wait that might just promote sentiments....dang.....well we should just ignore them then)

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This goes along the same lines of, "if a woman dresses trashy, she is asking to be raped". I don't belive she is and neither do I think the people who flaunt thier life style should be discriminated against.

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I agree. You can't do stuff like that. Now, if it was unprovoked, then yeah, have at. But this apparently wasn't...

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If you make yourself a target, are you still being discriminated against?
Yes. You cannot control the actions or reactions of other people regardless of your own actions and reactions.

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So, my question for you-if you make yourself a target, do you have any right to complain about being discriminated against?
Under the logical statement above yes; you do have the right to complain about anything which displeases you since you cannot innately control, though you can predict, how others will react to your existence.

Unfortunately while not "fair" provocation is not grounds for violence unless one's life is being threatened or physical harm is coming to the self / one's property.

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Remmington700
This goes along the same lines of, "if a woman dresses trashy, she is asking to be raped". I don't belive she is and neither do I think the people who flaunt thier life style should be discriminated against.


There is a difference between flaunting something and provoking someone.

The dressing/rape analogy doesn't work here, because dressing trashy is a passive thing. If the girl was specifically putting herself in risky situations and daring people to do something, then it would be a better comparison. Rape is, by definition, something the victim doesn't want. In this case, discrimination is EXACTLY what the victim wants.

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I think that the gay community should just concentrate on spreading the thought of love in homosexual relationships instead of this aboration of sex.

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You are just jealous because this guy is more fabulous than you. Anyway, school is boring. Be grateful that someone is trying to liven things up.

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Remmington700
This goes along the same lines of, "if a woman dresses trashy, she is asking to be raped". I don't belive she is and neither do I think the people who flaunt thier life style should be discriminated against.


There is a difference between flaunting something and provoking someone.

The dressing/rape analogy doesn't work here, because dressing trashy is a passive thing. If the girl was specifically putting herself in risky situations and daring people to do something, then it would be a better comparison. Rape is, by definition, something the victim doesn't want. In this case, discrimination is EXACTLY what the victim wants.


A. Plenty of rapes occur where the victim goes into a stupid / dangerous situation with full knowledge of that they are actually doing.

B. Provocation is a difficult to discuss term since there are actually multiple types of provocation, for instance as you stated passive provocation, such as a child sitting and doing nothing or wearing a certain torn shirt to get their parents to do something or buy new clothing or something, or active provocation as stated as someone dressing and acting out in order to get something done.

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You are just jealous because this guy is more fabulous than you. Anyway, school is boring. Be grateful that someone is trying to liven things up.


There is a time and place for everything; it is one thing to "liven things up" but to simply distract everyone is actually making life harder for everyone else.

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Remmington700
This goes along the same lines of, "if a woman dresses trashy, she is asking to be raped". I don't belive she is and neither do I think the people who flaunt thier life style should be discriminated against.


Except that this is a different thing. He's specifically trying to have something happen. He's not just flaunting his lifestyle-he's going far behind that.

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Remmington700
This goes along the same lines of, "if a woman dresses trashy, she is asking to be raped". I don't belive she is and neither do I think the people who flaunt thier life style should be discriminated against.


There is a difference between flaunting something and provoking someone.

The dressing/rape analogy doesn't work here, because dressing trashy is a passive thing. If the girl was specifically putting herself in risky situations and daring people to do something, then it would be a better comparison. Rape is, by definition, something the victim doesn't want. In this case, discrimination is EXACTLY what the victim wants.


A. Plenty of rapes occur where the victim goes into a stupid / dangerous situation with full knowledge of that they are actually doing.

B. Provocation is a difficult to discuss term since there are actually multiple types of provocation, for instance as you stated passive provocation, such as a child sitting and doing nothing or wearing a certain torn shirt to get their parents to do something or buy new clothing or something, or active provocation as stated as someone dressing and acting out in order to get something done.


Does going into stupid / dangerous situations including attempting to cause rape?

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Just A Cool Kid
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Remmington700
This goes along the same lines of, "if a woman dresses trashy, she is asking to be raped". I don't belive she is and neither do I think the people who flaunt thier life style should be discriminated against.


There is a difference between flaunting something and provoking someone.

The dressing/rape analogy doesn't work here, because dressing trashy is a passive thing. If the girl was specifically putting herself in risky situations and daring people to do something, then it would be a better comparison. Rape is, by definition, something the victim doesn't want. In this case, discrimination is EXACTLY what the victim wants.


A. Plenty of rapes occur where the victim goes into a stupid / dangerous situation with full knowledge of that they are actually doing.

B. Provocation is a difficult to discuss term since there are actually multiple types of provocation, for instance as you stated passive provocation, such as a child sitting and doing nothing or wearing a certain torn shirt to get their parents to do something or buy new clothing or something, or active provocation as stated as someone dressing and acting out in order to get something done.


Does going into stupid / dangerous situations including attempting to cause rape?


There have been multiple cases in which women get pretty much naked and damned close to having sexual intercourse, and then decide they want to stop; a case that comes to mind is where a boy and girl were in the middle of intercourse, she wanted to stop, and he did not. Provoking a partner to follow you whilst sending sexual signals and then teasing them by getting damn close to giving sex is really asking for something.

Same with our friend here, who is actively trying to show out that he is "different" and is quite literally teetering between looking for a fight and defending his rights.

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Just A Cool Kid
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Remmington700
This goes along the same lines of, "if a woman dresses trashy, she is asking to be raped". I don't belive she is and neither do I think the people who flaunt thier life style should be discriminated against.


There is a difference between flaunting something and provoking someone.

The dressing/rape analogy doesn't work here, because dressing trashy is a passive thing. If the girl was specifically putting herself in risky situations and daring people to do something, then it would be a better comparison. Rape is, by definition, something the victim doesn't want. In this case, discrimination is EXACTLY what the victim wants.


A. Plenty of rapes occur where the victim goes into a stupid / dangerous situation with full knowledge of that they are actually doing.

B. Provocation is a difficult to discuss term since there are actually multiple types of provocation, for instance as you stated passive provocation, such as a child sitting and doing nothing or wearing a certain torn shirt to get their parents to do something or buy new clothing or something, or active provocation as stated as someone dressing and acting out in order to get something done.


Does going into stupid / dangerous situations including attempting to cause rape?


There have been multiple cases in which women get pretty much naked and damned close to having sexual intercourse, and then decide they want to stop; a case that comes to mind is where a boy and girl were in the middle of intercourse, she wanted to stop, and he did not. Provoking a partner to follow you whilst sending sexual signals and then teasing them by getting damn close to giving sex is really asking for something.

Same with our friend here, who is actively trying to show out that he is "different" and is quite literally teetering between looking for a fight and defending his rights.


That isn't a feminist saying "All men are pigs, and I'll prove it". And then seeking to prove that men are pigs by trying to provoking someone to rape her. It isn't "I've changed my mind" or "this is what I'm like really like", the motivation and methods are different so I don't see how it could be considered the same.

Now, I gladly admit that I don't know the specifics of the case in question, I'm not psychic. However, in the hypotheical case in question there is no justification for the supposed person in question to complain about the treatment, regardless of the reality of the situation.

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Just A Cool Kid
Same with our friend here, who is actively trying to show out that he is "different" and is quite literally teetering between looking for a fight and defending his rights.


The thing is, though, that he's not just trying to show off that he's different. He's trying to prove that he can get away with anything because he can claim that he's only being punished because he's different. That's why he did this.
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