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This one is a quick question (I hope).

I don't need specific names right now. What I would like is a way for me to be able to make up believable surnames, preferably for as wide a range as possible. I've got Chinese family names down pat (otherwise, my ancestors would laugh at me for eternity), but Western family names are trickier. (Please don't suggest using the phonebook. Like I said, I know how to do Chinese family names.)

Does anyone know of a site that explains how this is done, or has plenty of examples? The usual name sites suggested tend to focus on first names.

At best, I'd like a site which tells me how to make up the names, so I don't have to bother anyone every time I need a family name. The more understandable, the better.

Thank you.
...I read this from a Childcraft book:

Quote:
About 800 years ago, kings and other royal people in Europe began to use last names to show that they were special. Soon, everyone in Europe took a last name.

How did people choose a family name? Sometimes peoples' names described where they lived. <i>Castle, Castillo, Castello, Zamecki, Burke, Bord</i> and <i>Burris</i> are names in several languages that meant a person lived in a castle. Names like <i>Wood, Woods, Atwood, Smallwood, Boyce, DuBois, Holt, Shaw,</i> and <i>Silva</i> meant a person lived near a forest.

[...]

Sometimes people's names described what they looked life. If people had light-colored hair, they might be named <i>White, Wise, Weiss, Whitehead, Whitlock, Whitman, Blanchard,</i> or <i>Bannon</i>. And if they had red hair, their name might be <i>Reed, Reid, Roth, Rusell,</i> or <i>Flynn</i>.

[...]


That probably didn't help much. MEH. Good luck, though.
... "Flynn" means "red"? Dear gods. In what dialect/language?

This may be a lot harder than I thought. I've been stuck using names like Smith, Smith, Smythe, and Ditto.
When I have to make up a Western name I just make it "Van something" and say they're Dutch. Or "Von something" and make them German.

Don't forget names from occupations - Miller, Butcher, etc.
Hm. "Van Foo" would be Dutch, and "Von Bar" German?

It's hard to trace the probable origins of surnames. I'm not sure where "Miller" would come from, ethnically speaking.
Yuzure
Hm. "Van Foo" would be Dutch, and "Von Bar" German?

It's hard to trace the probable origins of surnames. I'm not sure where "Miller" would come from, ethnically speaking.


Yup, simply because Van and Von mean "from" in Dutch and German respectively. Hence my families one-time surname (before we were forced to change it by the family we stole it from), Van Matinessa, means From Matinessa. Where ever the hell that is.
Heidi no Lux
Yup, simply because Van and Von mean "from" in Dutch and German respectively. Hence my families one-time surname (before we were forced to change it by the family we stole it from), Van Matinessa, means From Matinessa. Where ever the hell that is.


Intriguing. Thanks for the help.
Yuzure
... "Flynn" means "red"? Dear gods. In what dialect/language?

This may be a lot harder than I thought. I've been stuck using names like Smith, Smith, Smythe, and Ditto.


*shrugs* I don't know... maybe Swahili? <-- stupid guess

My beloved Childcraft volume also says that last names can also be derived from; a person's occupation & their father's name + -son, -vich, -ak, -Mac, -Mc, Fitz-. I'm too lazy to type everything. =/

Smith and Johnson sounds better than complex last names in my opinion, though. (Probably because I was saddled with a Spanish surname. stare )
Aye, but I need examples of simple surnames even so. A disproportionate number of my characters are ethnically Chinese, simply because I can't think of a good Western family name for them.
Eh. This all depends on the time period you're working on.

Example. Let's say 10th century England. I'm going to make up really stupid names, but they should get the point across.

John FitzSimon is the son of Simon.
Paul FitzJohn is the son of John.
So Paul's son's surname should be FitzPaul.

If you're going with a more Scottish/Ireish trend in medieval Europe, it would be more like this:

John MacSimon is the son of Simon. (Or Mc. Same thing.)
Paul MacJohn is the son of John.
So Paul's son's surname should be MacPaul.

After a while this got really confusing, because total strangers had the same surnames and it just got really confusing. So they decided to just keep one and pass it on. Or they named themselves after a landmark.

Example: My German teacher's maiden name is Rhinecker (little dots over the e). That literally means Corner of the Rhine River. Her family lived closer to Polland though, so this suggests that when some ancestor decided to keep a last name, they lived on a bend in the Rhine.

THen there's the common occupation name. Carpenter, Fletcher, Miller, Turner, Weaver, Baker, ect. This you would have in basically every European language.

As for Russian, well that's an annoying language to work with (or at least I think so, because I'm exposed to it 24/7).

Ivan Petrovich is the son of Peter.
Mila Ivanovna is the daughter of Ivan.
Vladamir Ivanovich is the son of Ivan.
Now let's say Mila married Sasha. Sasha is the son of Semion. So it would be Sasha Semionovich. But Mila would still be Mila Ivanovna. All of their children would be Alexandravich, because Alexander is Sasha's full name.

Now some where along the line, this would get confusing as all ********, so Sasha's grandchildren would retain the Alexandravich, *but* let's say Sasha's son is named Peter. Sasha's grandchildren would be adressed formally as ___ Alexandravich, but their acquiantances would call them ___ Petrovich or Petrovina. Now let's say Sasha had a granddaughter named Olga. While Olga's brother, Ivan, would have the surname Alexandravich, Olga's last name will be the feminine version of this (I'm not too sure on this, because I don't use patrnomics. They hurt my head).

Now as to the Dutch and German people. At some point they decided it would be cool to say "hey look where I'm from!" Hence the "Van" and the "Von." They English did this too.

William lives in London. So they called him William of London. Then they got lazy and it just because William London. This stays true with the Dutch and the rest of them, but some just decided to keep the from in.

This is my completely irrelevant rant. Hope it helped. I have to go learn to drive now. ^_^
tgas
This is my completely irrelevant rant. Hope it helped. I have to go learn to drive now. ^_^


Okay, this helped a lot. Thanks.
i use font names a lot. like Kian Castellar and Adrian Kabel

they, unless you want them to be, don't really have to be "pre-ordained" names. if you really want, you can always look in the phone book- lol no i'm just kidding. you can surf the net too. 3nodding
I don't want (well, don't need) "pre-ordained" names, really. ^^ I'm more interested in family names that won't look completely out of place.

I assume that almost anything goes with regards to American surnames? As in, present-day America? No little traps that I may accidentally fall into? I've used "Smith" and "Johnson" for too long, really.
yeah, try not to use those too much b.c they are over used and even though they are common, try to leave them out.
if you want specifics, i can give you some 3nodding
Yuzure
... "Flynn" means "red"? Dear gods. In what dialect/language?

This may be a lot harder than I thought. I've been stuck using names like Smith, Smith, Smythe, and Ditto.


I want to say--but I'm not certain--in Gaelic...Irish or Scottish dialect, one or the other, maybe neither... *shrug* I think I read that exact same book when I were a wee tyke.

You could always just pop open a phonebook and see what you find. I do that sometimes. If they're from America, you can almost just shove a couple of words together, and *poof* name. I did Delspoon once...never heard it before, but no one complained.

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