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I am a communist. Communism has been targeted severely in the world. The US issued the Truman doctrine, and the USSR is called 'an evil empire'. I believe in communism, and have studied it for several years now. I believe in the ideals, but to make it suitable for life, we must make reforms. I am not a cold blooded killer, like Stalin. I am a visionary, and revolutionary, like Lenin, or Trotsky. The Great Revolution in Russia might have taken some lives, but it was for a common cause, it was not a unplanned genocide. Nor was it a planned one. It was the beginning of a new era, which brought the Russians from strife to glory. ( I am a Russian born in Moscow, 1990. I have studied communism for 7 years and surprisingly, have given lectures in the University of Toronto at the age of 9.)

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Nothing wrong with a certain type of government. They all have their ups and downs.
Ciril
I am a communist.


Good for you.

Ciril
Communism has been targeted severely in the world.


Whyever could that be? It couldn't be because Communist governments have killed more people than World War One and Two put together, could it?

Ciril
The US issued the Truman doctrine, and the USSR is called 'an evil empire'.


For absolutely no reason at all! A country that invades other countries and kills hundreds of millions of its own citizens isn't and Evil Empire at all!

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Ciril
I believe in communism, and have studied it for several years now. I believe in the ideals, but to make it suitable for life, we must make reforms.


Like what? Not having the authoritarian dictatorship that Communism needs to exist?

Ciril
I am not a cold blooded killer, like Stalin. I am a visionary, and revolutionary, like Lenin, or Trotsky.


Lenin's "Red Terror" was a violent uprising that killed hundreds of thousands of people merely for not being Communist. They executed rich people for imagined offenses and murdered the Tsar Nicholas and his family in cold blood.

Ciril
The Great Revolution in Russia might have taken some lives, but it was for a common cause,


How does a common cause make everything okay?

Ciril
it was not a unplanned genocide. Nor was it a planned one.


That makes absolutely no sense. It was neither planned or unplanned? How does that work?

Ciril
It was the beginning of a new era, which brought the Russians from strife to glory.


If glory is tens of millions of people dying from starvation, malnutrition, and the murderous repression of the state.

Ciril
(I am a Russian born in Moscow, 1990. I have studied communism for 7 years and surprisingly, have given lectures in the University of Toronto at the age of 9.)


Yay for you, Ender.
I prefer capitalism...if you compare the Soviet economy to the American...oh wait you can't because the Soviet Union collapsed.
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I prefer capitalism...if you compare the Soviet economy to the American...oh wait you can't because the Soviet Union collapsed.


its funny to know that we could have collapsed and they didnt ... could have gone either way .. werent we like in 24 trillion in debt United states.


hey your not the only communist on Gaia there plenty wink
so what communism do u like.. u seem not to like Stalinism... i tend to like lenin, marx, engles
SoViEtTaNkT34
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I prefer capitalism...if you compare the Soviet economy to the American...oh wait you can't because the Soviet Union collapsed.


its funny to know that we could have collapsed and they didnt ... could have gone either way .. werent we like in 24 trillion in debt United states.


hey your not the only communist on Gaia there plenty wink

If John Kerry had his way...yes (he wanted a nuclear freeze for America's weapons)

But luckily Ronald Reagan was in charged and he combated the Evil Empire and came out on top.
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I prefer capitalism...if you compare the Soviet economy to the American...oh wait you can't because the Soviet Union collapsed.


its funny to know that we could have collapsed and they didnt ... could have gone either way .. werent we like in 24 trillion in debt United states.


hey your not the only communist on Gaia there plenty wink

If John Kerry had his way...yes (he wanted a nuclear freeze for America's weapons)

But luckily Ronald Reagan was in charged and he combated the Evil Empire and came out on top.


HAHAHA all u have to blame for the Soviet collapse is Gorbachev not Reagon. Didnt matter wtf Reagan did, the Soviet Union would have collapsed anyways because of Gorbachev.
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Whyever could that be? It couldn't be because Communist governments have killed more people than World War One and Two put together, could it?


Communism isn't the cause, I'd say social opression and dictatorship, neither of which are integral parts of communism, caused those deaths.

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For absolutely no reason at all! A country that invades other countries and kills hundreds of millions of its own citizens isn't and Evil Empire at all!


Lots of countries have killed their own people that aren't Communistic at all.

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Like what? Not having the authoritarian dictatorship that Communism needs to exist?


It doesn't need it if you do it properly. Try actually reading Marx and Engels, they advocate a world without government at all.

Overall, your post relies far too much on the fact that a couple of bad governments have tried it before. Sorry, that doesn't prove the system is bad.
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I prefer capitalism...if you compare the Soviet economy to the American...oh wait you can't because the Soviet Union collapsed.


its funny to know that we could have collapsed and they didnt ... could have gone either way .. werent we like in 24 trillion in debt United states.


hey your not the only communist on Gaia there plenty wink

If John Kerry had his way...yes (he wanted a nuclear freeze for America's weapons)

But luckily Ronald Reagan was in charged and he combated the Evil Empire and came out on top.


Oh, bullshit. You are so eager to praise Ronnie-boy. What about Lech Walesa, who finally stood up to Soviet Dominion? Or Gorbachev, who started the whole refore effort? Or Vaclav Havel? Give credit where it's due.

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Ciril
I believe in communism, and have studied it for several years now.


Might I suggest some reading to add to your list of studies in communism including the The Great Leap Forward and the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution and see if you think your ideology is as wonderful as you think it is.
SoViEtTaNkT34
its funny to know that we could have collapsed and they didnt ... could have gone either way .. werent we like in 24 trillion in debt United states.


SoViEtTaNkT34
HAHAHA all u have to blame for the Soviet collapse is Gorbachev not Reagon. Didnt matter wtf Reagan did, the Soviet Union would have collapsed anyways because of Gorbachev.


Those seem like conflicting statements...in one you say it is possible that the Soviets would have held together....in the other you say they were doomed to collapse.

Reagan put pressure on the Soviets by building up our arsenal and his SDI (even if it wasn't possible it was a scare tactic). You were right that the Soviet Union was collapsing...Reagan just hurried it along, intstead of alloing it to drag out.
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I prefer capitalism...if you compare the Soviet economy to the American...oh wait you can't because the Soviet Union collapsed.


its funny to know that we could have collapsed and they didnt ... could have gone either way .. werent we like in 24 trillion in debt United states.


hey your not the only communist on Gaia there plenty wink

If John Kerry had his way...yes (he wanted a nuclear freeze for America's weapons)

But luckily Ronald Reagan was in charged and he combated the Evil Empire and came out on top.


Oh, bullshit. You are so eager to praise Ronnie-boy. What about Lech Walesa, who finally stood up to Soviet Dominion? Or Gorbachev, who started the whole refore effort? Or Vaclav Havel? Give credit where it's due.

I didn't say that Reagan single-handedly defeated the Soviets...but he was in charge and was a factor against the USSR.
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SoViEtTaNkT34
its funny to know that we could have collapsed and they didnt ... could have gone either way .. werent we like in 24 trillion in debt United states.


SoViEtTaNkT34
HAHAHA all u have to blame for the Soviet collapse is Gorbachev not Reagon. Didnt matter wtf Reagan did, the Soviet Union would have collapsed anyways because of Gorbachev.


Those seem like conflicting statements...in one you say it is possible that the Soviets would have held together....in the other you say they were doomed to collapse.

Reagan put pressure on the Soviets by building up our arsenal and his SDI (even if it wasn't possible it was a scare tactic). You were right that the Soviet Union was collapsing...Reagan just hurried it along, intstead of alloing it to drag out.


Soviet union was Collapsing yes but Gorbachev didnt do anything to stop it either remember?

Reagen may have put pressure on the Soviet Union but thats all. i dont really care for what the Soviet Union turned out im more Towards the Bolshivek Revolution. But i do like the Cold War as well... Soviet Union is just amazing .. what it did really wasnt possible with the damage that WW2 did.. 24-27 million dead
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If John Kerry had his way...yes (he wanted a nuclear freeze for America's weapons)

But luckily Ronald Reagan was in charged and he combated the Evil Empire and came out on top.

I didn't say that Reagan single-handedly defeated the Soviets...but he was in charge and was a factor against the USSR.


Boy howdy, do these quotes just not go in line.

I wouldn't be so cruel as to say you're changing position here, but...I sure will think it.

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