Whats wrong with Wu-feis mech?

[J-Chan Nyan]

All my friends who love Gundam Wing, all hate Wu-feis gundam because of that damn Chain. Well the chains storage capacity is nothing if you really wanted to complain you could hit up the Wing Gundam. The shields are supposed to be that thick to deflect beam weapons, and they still break, yet the shield on the Wing Gundam is filled with a cockpit and other technology, plus holds a beam saber.
I love Wing, but all I'm saying is there are worse flaws in the logic of the Wing Series.  

[Ophiuchus]

anti-beam coating is what allows a shield to withstand beam weapons, NOT thickness. a beam doesn't give a shite about thickness because it melts metals. Unless it's Gundarium or plot armor, but then... Every time you try to drag real physics into a fictional environment, God kills a catgirl.
Please think of the catgirls.


By the by, shields and beam weapons are the LEAST of Wing's troubles as a series.  

[PirateEire]

Ophiuchus

Every time you try to drag real physics into a fictional environment, God kills a catgirl.
Please think of the catgirls.

rofl rofl

Yeah, I decided to just give up trying to rationalize some of the aspects of certain mobile suits. Gave me a headache.

I'm still trying to figure out what the purpose of the tiaras on Gundams (especially earlier ones like RX-78-2, Mk-II and Zeta) serve. I've come to the conclusion that they're there to look purdy and impress the taxpayers.  

[J-Chan Nyan]

That's part of my point. It's a fantasy enviroment >.< Why rationalize? And by tiara do you mean the Golden Vs? Cause I believe those are antenna.  

[Ophiuchus]

The V-fin is meant to just be a communications thing. Though over the years, it's devolved into a nonsensical asthetic.  

[NowhereManXP]

Ophiuchus

anti-beam coating is what allows a shield to withstand beam weapons, NOT thickness. a beam doesn't give a shite about thickness because it melts metals. Unless it's Gundarium or plot armor, but then... Every time you try to drag real physics into a fictional environment, God kills a catgirl.
Please think of the catgirls.


By the by, shields and beam weapons are the LEAST of Wing's troubles as a series.

Actually, Gundam-Gal (boo, yes, I know who you are elsewhere), I just recently posted a topic on this point elsewhere, and received some interesting answers--or, I should say, things that should have been obvious from the get-go.

A UC Gundam Beam Weapons do "give a damn" about armor. The RX-78-2 Gundam's shield is able to block mega particle beams in the original Mobile Suit Gundam, the MA-06 Val Varo is able to shrug off hits from the RX-78GP01Fb Gundam Zephyranthes' Beam Rifle in Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory, and both the Zephyranthes in the aforementioned series and Ken Bederstadt's MS-14G Gelgoog in the final chapter of Mobile Suit Gundam Lost War Chronicles are hit by Beam Sabers that don't immediately cleave all the way through the armor (in the first case, the I-Field of the Saber leaves a nice dent in the Zephyranthes' shoulder; in the latter, Ken saves the Gelgoog's left (IIRC) forearm from total destruction and keeps it semi-operable, but the contact still leaves quite an impressive amount of damage).

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The V-fin is meant to just be a communications thing. Though over the years, it's devolved into a nonsensical asthetic.

Much like the "dual-eye" sensor setup of most Gundams. wink  

[Ophiuchus]

Of course the RANGED shots against Val Varo wouldn't have done much - range is a factor with beam weapons due to dissipation, or something - I recall mark simmons saying something on that aaaages ago. Range weakens a beam, muchlike it weakens the effect of other ranged weapons.
The closer ones could be attributed more to angle of penetration than toughness of armor, which also plays a point. I think that was brought up in the very thread, no less. 3nodding
However, a beam SABER is different to a beam RIFLE - beam rifle uses mega particles in a beam, and lose effectiveness over range
beam saber repels and retains plasma simultaneously within an i-field lattice, and have a maximum area of attack.

There are however, inconsitencies in animation.
Such as a heat hawk being able to cut through Gundam's shield no problem, but the same shield being able to repel constant fire from a battleship's two barrel beam cannon. emo  

[PirateEire]

NowhereManXP

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The V-fin is meant to just be a communications thing. Though over the years, it's devolved into a nonsensical asthetic.

Much like the "dual-eye" sensor setup of most Gundams. wink

Aaah, I see.

Wow, that makes Zakus and other mono-eyes seem more useful in that aspect suddenly...

You know... if they ever made any of these mobile suits practical, I think they'd get pretty ugly.

Which I suppose is better than having ugly and impractical suits. *cough*G Gundam!!*cough*  

[NowhereManXP]

Ophiuchus

Of course the RANGED shots against Val Varo wouldn't have done much - range is a factor with beam weapons due to dissipation, or something - I recall mark simmons saying something on that aaaages ago. Range weakens a beam, muchlike it weakens the effect of other ranged weapons.

Well, not all ranged weapons. Physical weapons in a vacuum pack the same punch at 2 meters as they do at 200 meters.

As for the Val Varo, you make a decent point, and one that I certainly didn't consider at the time. Kou is firing from quite a range...

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The closer ones could be attributed more to angle of penetration than toughness of armor, which also plays a point. I think that was brought up in the very thread, no less. 3nodding

Except that, if you watch episode 18 again, Amuro is blocking these mega particle beams head-on with his shield--or so it seemed.

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However, a beam SABER is different to a beam RIFLE - beam rifle uses mega particles in a beam, and lose effectiveness over range
beam saber repels and retains plasma simultaneously within an i-field lattice, and have a maximum area of attack.

You're preaching to the choir. In fact, I refered to the Beam Saber's I-Field in my last post. wink

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There are however, inconsitencies in animation.
Such as a heat hawk being able to cut through Gundam's shield no problem, but the same shield being able to repel constant fire from a battleship's two barrel beam cannon. emo

You already mentioned how the "angle of impact" helps to influence the destructiveness of a weapon, but you aren't considering the condition the shield might already have been in. You're refering to episode 22, right? At the time, the White Base and its Mobile Suits were in serious need of repair and resupply, so it's possible that Amuro was using a shield that was in pretty bad shape from the get-go. Of course, Mobile Suit Gundam's animation was never the best at showing extensive battle damage. sad

PirateEire

NowhereManXP

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The V-fin is meant to just be a communications thing. Though over the years, it's devolved into a nonsensical asthetic.

Much like the "dual-eye" sensor setup of most Gundams. wink

Aaah, I see.

Wow, that makes Zakus and other mono-eyes seem more useful in that aspect suddenly...

In fact, in Tomino's Mobile Suit Gundam novels (however different they may be from the animated works--and believe me, they are), Amuro is puzzled as to why the Gundam's designers decided to give it the "two camera" treatment. The Gundam's sight-scope, he notes, clouds much more often than the "single panel" of the GMs and Guncannons, and also doesn't provide as clear an image. The only reason the Gundam's cameras are the way they are, the novels claim, is because the designers wanted it to look more "humanoid."

Aesthetic, indeed.

Now, that's not to say that Gundam Century and Gundam Officials don't throw this claim into the wind--because they do (darn you, ICN!)--but it's still nice to know Tomino's thoughts.  

[PirateEire]

I really should pick up one of those novels someday...  

[Vivio1412]

it's gundam Wing....
who cares....  

[rugged]

Maybe you're wording the question wrong; it's not really what's wrong with Wu Fei and his Gundam, but what ISN'T wrong with Wu Fei and his Gundam that's easier to answer. xd

He's just one of the more easily hated characters in Anime - Gainax picked up on it when they made Gurren Lagann (awesome series, reckomend it to everyone), because they made Rossiou ("forehead") in the image of Wu Fei and he's the p***k of the series.

It's just unfortunate that his Gundam got stuck with him as Pilot.  

[Gelenor the Blood Knight]

sorry but i can't just sit back and not let this be braught up. j-chan there is no cockpit in wing gundam's shield. it's cockpit is in the lower middle torso. oh and the v fin serves no real purpose than to look badass. see if it served for comunication then why would certain ms not have them and have a normal intena or have both like gp01.  

[NewtypeS3]

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He's just one of the more easily hated characters in Anime - Gainax picked up on it when they made Gurren Lagann (awesome series, reckomend it to everyone), because they made Rossiou ("forehead") in the image of Wu Fei and he's the p***k of the series.

And that's pretty much a baseless claim if I've ever seen one. No offense, but that kind of character design has been around for a good long time - Wufei actually shares elements of that design not just with Rossiu of TTGL, but also with Fei of Xenogears and Sai Saishi of the previous year's G-Gundam.

If you really want a character almost universally hated by, say, the Gundam fandom, you need to look in Zeta Gundam. There, you have characters like Reccoa "defect because I don't get any from the guy I'm being passive-agressive with" Londe and Katz "Is that a real rock?" Kobyashi.
But the one who pretty much sends any viewer into a blood rage that's only rivaled by actual berserkers and the Red Lanterns of DC Comics comes from Victory Gundam. Her name is Shakti, and she's basically the source of 90% of the uselessly stupid deaths in the show.

Hell, those three aren't even the most hated by the mecha genre fandom, either. I'm just listing two who continually generate hatred.

As for Wufei, he not only has fans, but has been loved enough to continually show up in the Super Robot Wars franchise, not to mention the Gundam Vs series, where he's recently been added for Gundam vs Gundam Next+ in his "Custom" Gundam from Endless Waltz.

Now, you're free to dislike the guy. I'll admit, I'm not a massive fan of the character, either. But he's far from anything remotely close to "the most hated."



...and hey, it's Nowhereman! I've not seen you in a while. biggrin