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 Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:04 am
What are your thoughts about this never-ending debate? Do you believe in Destiny and Fate...is it all preplanned? Do we have no say-so in what happens to us, no free will? Is it all Writ down somewhere and we dance to a tune scripted by another hand?
Or are we free to wrest our own destiny as we walk our path? Do we have free will...is our life journey what we make of it?
If you feel too strongly one way or the other and take umbrage at the ideas of another person...please wait one day to reflect before you reply.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:25 am
I'm kind of in the middle on this one.
I think there's a bunch of possible ways out of the maze, and we can take any one we want, but it's already there.
It's very complicated.
Kind of like one of those dichotomus keys, except there's more options.
Sorry if I didn't explain this very clearly.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:24 am
I am a firm believer in destiny and fate; mainly destiny. I believe that everything happens for a reason and whatever happens; good or bad, it was just meant to be. I won't deny that my believe in destiny is just a tad tied in with my religious views.
Here is an example (i used this example in the crazy rl experiences as a child thread) :
My father passed away when i was four years of age. I managed to live for 9.5 years, after without a fatherly figure in my life. If he was meant to die at his own young age of 23; G-d decided that it was meant to be that way and that was his destiny to die in the freak-incident way that he did; no one had control over it... it was just the way that he was meant to exit life and exit my life as a father.
Lastly, i see that destiny can not always be controlled; but that doesn't mean that you can't learn from it... i mean... who knows... maybe that same incident will reoccur in your life or even someone elses - this would give you a better feel/give you experience on what to do in that particular situation.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:19 pm
I'm a Christian, and, therefore, I believe everything that happens was and is already known by God. He knows when every person will die, he knows every name of every person on earth, and he already knows what our lives will be like.
Do we have freedom to do what we wish? Yes. Was it pre-written? In a way; God already knew what would happen. Therefore, we all have a destiny, a purpose that god wants us to fulfill.
So yes, I do believe in destiny.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:20 pm
RosesFallingLikeRain I'm kind of in the middle on this one. I think there's a bunch of possible ways out of the maze, and we can take any one we want, but it's already there. It's very complicated. Kind of like one of those dichotomus keys, except there's more options. Sorry if I didn't explain this very clearly. "...a bunch of possible ways out of the maze..." That is interesting and sort of nicely multidimensional. I guess you mean it that way?
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:23 pm
Zorable I am a firm believer in destiny and fate; mainly destiny. I believe that everything happens for a reason and whatever happens; good or bad, it was just meant to be. I won't deny that my believe in destiny is just a tad tied in with my religious views. Here is an example (i used this example in the crazy rl experiences as a child thread) : My father passed away when i was four years of age. I managed to live for 9.5 years, after without a fatherly figure in my life. If he was meant to die at his own young age of 23; G-d decided that it was meant to be that way and that was his destiny to die in the freak-incident way that he did; no one had control over it... it was just the way that he was meant to exit life and exit my life as a father. Lastly, i see that destiny can not always be controlled; but that doesn't mean that you can't learn from it... i mean... who knows... maybe that same incident will reoccur in your life or even someone elses - this would give you a better feel/give you experience on what to do in that particular situation. You believe this because of your religion? How so?
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:36 pm
Beron Manchester I'm a Christian, and, therefore, I believe everything that happens was and is already known by God. He knows when every person will die, he knows every name of every person on earth, and he already knows what our lives will be like. Do we have freedom to do what we wish? Yes. Was it pre-written? In a way; God already knew what would happen. Therefore, we all have a destiny, a purpose that god wants us to fulfill. So yes, I do believe in destiny. Hmmm...that is odd though Beron. Because in the Bible it clearly shows by God's own words that God does not know all things. I will give 2 examples but there are more... Job 1:7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Hosea 8:4 They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:45 pm
I don't believe in destiny at all. Only coincidence.
We all have our own free will, but it is shaped by our environment and upbringing. An occurrence can seem like fate, but it is one's cultures and values that have influenced one to act in a certain way that brought about an event or the outcome of an event.
In short, you always have a choice, but something within yourself that was influenced by your surroundings made you act or think in that way.
As far as things that are out of our control, such as genetics in some cases, ce la vie. I don't believe that anyone or anything other than our own genetic makeup is "scheduling" something for us.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:07 pm
I do but in an odd way... *waves.* Hi everyone Bosch 'ere most of you know me from Anime, Games, TVs, Webcomics, and that one thing we won't speak of again that I needed money and did... Power Rangers...
I believe destiny is a multi choice kinda thing its all preset but how you choose to play ends with diffrent out comes... I for one choose to scratch my butt in public... Good action or awesome photo shot...
Bla'h bla'h bla'h And that is how we can save the world from our money issues... *taps papers on a desk top and wanders off.*
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:36 pm
Something I've learned from reading tarot cards for so many years is that there is always a choice; it may not be a good one, or a desirable one, but it is always there. And the reason things like tarot cards can predict a person's path is that while we do have the ability to choose, people rarely veer from their path (whatever it may be). Because people rarely change, it means we can "predict" the path they are most likely to take if current circumstances are evaluated and future trends taken in account. Of course, there is no 100% to anything. So I guess I believe in a mix of the two; "free will" as the ability to choose your own path, and "destiny" as the path you are most likely to take.
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:13 am
Bellevi I don't believe in destiny at all. Only coincidence. We all have our own free will, but it is shaped by our environment and upbringing. An occurrence can seem like fate, but it is one's cultures and values that have influenced one to act in a certain way that brought about an event or the outcome of an event. In short, you always have a choice, but something within yourself that was influenced by your surroundings made you act or think in that way. As far as things that are out of our control, such as genetics in some cases, ce la vie. I don't believe that anyone or anything other than our own genetic makeup is "scheduling" something for us. I used to think this and still do to some extent. But I have some new ideas now about sociologic pressures that cause people to have certain socially altering attributes. It's hard to explain.
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:16 am
Bosch Parano I do but in an odd way... *waves.* Hi everyone Bosch 'ere most of you know me from Anime, Games, TVs, Webcomics, and that one thing we won't speak of again that I needed money and did... Power Rangers... I believe destiny is a multi choice kinda thing its all preset but how you choose to play ends with diffrent out comes... I for one choose to scratch my butt in public... Good action or awesome photo shot... Bla'h bla'h bla'h And that is how we can save the world from our money issues... *taps papers on a desk top and wanders off.* Hi Bosch! Nice to see you. ^_^ Are you talking about a multiverse with different "fated" endings? So you have free will which ending to choose? That is a different and interesting concept.
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:18 am
entervixen Something I've learned from reading tarot cards for so many years is that there is always a choice; it may not be a good one, or a desirable one, but it is always there. And the reason things like tarot cards can predict a person's path is that while we do have the ability to choose, people rarely veer from their path (whatever it may be). Because people rarely change, it means we can "predict" the path they are most likely to take if current circumstances are evaluated and future trends taken in account. Of course, there is no 100% to anything. So I guess I believe in a mix of the two; "free will" as the ability to choose your own path, and "destiny" as the path you are most likely to take. Ok I probably have to read this one again, it is dense with ideas. But let me start off by saying that if you can read people then you can do tarot. Which ties in to what you are saying, people tend to go the path of least resistance just like everything else. But destiny is fate so I am thinking you don't quite believe it is all writ in stone?
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:19 am
Umaeril Bosch Parano I do but in an odd way... *waves.* Hi everyone Bosch 'ere most of you know me from Anime, Games, TVs, Webcomics, and that one thing we won't speak of again that I needed money and did... Power Rangers... I believe destiny is a multi choice kinda thing its all preset but how you choose to play ends with diffrent out comes... I for one choose to scratch my butt in public... Good action or awesome photo shot... Bla'h bla'h bla'h And that is how we can save the world from our money issues... *taps papers on a desk top and wanders off.* Hi Bosch! Nice to see you. ^_^ Are you talking about a multiverse with different "fated" endings? So you have free will which ending to choose? That is a different and interesting concept. Uuum... Yeah sure why not lets go with that Uma... ninja
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:50 am
Umaeril entervixen Something I've learned from reading tarot cards for so many years is that there is always a choice; it may not be a good one, or a desirable one, but it is always there. And the reason things like tarot cards can predict a person's path is that while we do have the ability to choose, people rarely veer from their path (whatever it may be). Because people rarely change, it means we can "predict" the path they are most likely to take if current circumstances are evaluated and future trends taken in account. Of course, there is no 100% to anything. So I guess I believe in a mix of the two; "free will" as the ability to choose your own path, and "destiny" as the path you are most likely to take. Ok I probably have to read this one again, it is dense with ideas. But let me start off by saying that if you can read people then you can do tarot. Which ties in to what you are saying, people tend to go the path of least resistance just like everything else. But destiny is fate so I am thinking you don't quite believe it is all writ in stone? Every once in a while you get an oddball like me who has to do everything the hard way. But basically yes. I believe in destiny in the sense that outcomes for people are predictable because people don't like to change. But nothing is set in stone, free will being what it is, and so nothing will be right all the time.
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