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 Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:38 pm
Now here's a hot topic, sure to ruffle some feathers:
Home-done body mods.
We all know the dangers of home done piercings and tattoos: infection, MRSA, misplacement of jewelry, home-made inks causing allergic reactions and rejecting out completely, all that fun stuff. But, is there EVER an appropriate time to home-modify yourself?
If you think about it, without people tattooing and piercing themselves, this industry would not exist. It all had to start somewhere. But were they in the right? Was it a good idea, good experimentation?
Along that vein, is it okay to pierce or tattoo yourself? We know that apprentices do this as part of their training, does that make it okay? It's said to be a right of passage for a tattoo apprentice to tattoo themselves on their right calf with their first machine. Is that okay, since they know what they're doing, using proper inks, tools, etc? What about piercers? Piercing apprentices are sometimes allowed to pierce themselves as part of their practice, does that make it okay?
We all get angry at kids who pierce themselves with their filthy hands, in their filthy bathrooms, with filthy sewing needles or safety pins, then inserting old piercing gun studs into the new piercing. But something similar was probably done back in the 70's and 80's, when this industry was starting to gain a foothold and become a legitimate industry. SOMEONE had to figure out that sewing needles were bad, right?
So, arguments for self piercings?
Arguments against self piercings?
Post away.
This also includes branding, scarification, suspension, implants, etc. ALL kinds of body mods, not just tattoos and piercings.
~*~ Keep it civil, respectful, and intelligent, but if it gets heated, keep any flaming to a minimum. I know sometimes we can get passionate and out of hand, and our hands just type away before our brains decide that was a good idea, but I want DISCUSSION here. That means being open to other, differing opinions, and treating them with the same acknowledgement and esteem you'd want someone to take your posts with.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:50 pm
I think as long as the person KNOWS what they are doing, has everything sterile then it shouldn't be a problem. That being said, that isn't the case when kids pierce themselves as we all know.
I would like to know other peoples opinions on getting tattooed at expos. It's not in a shop, yet there are strict guidelines (spore test sent into the officials 30 days in advance, have to have everything sterile and if they see someone not properly bandaged walking around that is a warning for the artist and a possible removal from the expo)
Yet I hear a lot of people even being against home studios because it is not a professional studio, so would that mean a no on expos as well?
I don't see that big of a difference if the area you are in is sterile and clean, I mean it's already been said. We had to start somewhere so what has changed? (besides more knowledge)
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:06 pm
Salmenella I think as long as the person KNOWS what they are doing, has everything sterile then it shouldn't be a problem. That being said, that isn't the case when kids pierce themselves as we all know. This, exactly. As for expos, I personally wouldn't feel comfortable with it in theory. Like getting tattooed around crowds of people and all that, but I think that if I were to go and look and I felt comfortable in the atmosphere and that it was clean, I'd be fine. With home studios, a lot of it is biased. I personally would feel more comfortable in a shop simply because it's more of a sure thing. At home studios, even if they artist is generally sterile, maybe one day they'll miss something. In a certified shop with good credentials, I find there is more stress on staying sterile. If they aren't, they'll get fired. In a home studio, theres just less to back it up IMO.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:07 pm
I would not get tattooed at an expo. The amount of people moving around, oggling, leaning over and breathing on it to see, etc., that's just gross to me. But at least the artist at expo's ARE professionals, from established shops, and are advertising there services, just like any other kind of expo.
Same with home shops. I don't care if you've been tattooing for 20-30-however many years, I don't care if you autoclaved your stuff then immediately brought it home in the sterile package, if you have a "sterile" room at home, it's just weird to me. It's also weird going to some near-stranger's house to get tattooed. It's like going to a dentist's home office, to get a filling. Sure, he's professional, got all the right stuff, got a clean room, etc., but it's just not right. Something about the clean, professional shop makes me comfortable, knowing that the ONLY things that go on in there are the things that are supposed to: tattoos and piercings. In a home, you don't know who might have been smoking what and what's hanging in the vents and soft surfaces in the place. You don't know if there's black mold growing in the walls, if there's a meth lab in the basement or some other s shady practice, it's just weird.
And like Hype said, in a home shop, you're more likely to slack on the important things because you're home, comfortable, no one is watching you, etc. Slacking leads to bad tattoos, infection, all that nasty stuff.
I get why you can't walk around bandaged up at a tattoo expo. God forbid you brush against someone and get blood/plasma on them. That's just a public health fiasco waiting to happen. And it IS the artist's job to wrap the tattoo and express VERY clearly the importance of keeping it wrapped while at the expo. It IS a public health issue, after all.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:34 pm
I personally don't know if I would get tattooed at an expo for the exact reasons you guys stated. Maybe after I went there and checked it out first, but definitely not if I don't know how it's all set up. I also don't think I would get tattooed at someones home, now if their shop was connected to their home that is a different story.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:40 pm
Salmenella I personally don't know if I would get tattooed at an expo for the exact reasons you guys stated. Maybe after I went there and checked it out first, but definitely not if I don't know how it's all set up. I also don't think I would get tattooed at someones home, now if their shop was connected to their home that is a different story. Agreed. If it was like, shop on the bottom floor, apartment on the second floor like a lot of old style downtown buildings are, that's fine. Because it's still a specific SHOP ONLY setting, they just take the stairs and are home. If I were to get tattooed at an expo, the chair would have to be as far away from the traveling action as possible, perhaps behind a curtain or a Japanese folding screen, something like that. SOMETHING to act as a border between clean tattoo area, and the "outside" world. Just a chair, behind a basic table or something with flyers and their cards on it, isn't enough for me. I don't like the expo atmosphere anyway. I've been to one in Seattle, and the air of just pure "holier than thou" or "more tattooed/better tattooed" than thou was annoying. I did get the card for Deep Roots tattoo and piercing in Seattle from there, and that's where I bought my opalite seraphin earrings from. They were stuck up when I went into the shop though, but were neutral/tolerable at the expo. But back on topic, I could NEVER pierce or tattoo myself, EVER. I just don't have the confidence for it. Even with proper tools, training, knowledge, guidance, etc., I don't think I could ever do it. I would be afraid of getting the placement wrong or crooked, and it would never be good enough for my standards. Hell, I can't even braid my own hair good enough to suit me, let alone be able to pierce myself good enough. I'd MUCH rather have someone else do it for me, PROPERLY.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:55 pm
******** even though I am a professional makeup artist I can't even do my own makeup as good as I could on someone else.
Just because you can do something on someone else doesn't mean you should be able to do it to yourself.
And damn, I was going to go to the Seattle expo when I move there. Not sure if I want to waste the money now.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:01 pm
Salmenella Just because you can do something on someone else doesn't mean you should be able to do it to yourself. And damn, I was going to go to the Seattle expo when I move there. Not sure if I want to waste the money now. I hear there's actually two different expos in Seattle, I went to one in August. It apparently was smaller and "crapper" than the other. It was disappointing. I tried to enter the "Sleeve Contest" and was told no, because it wasn't complete enough. Apparently only FULL sleeves, from shoulder to wrist, were allowed to compete. Not even half sleeves. They were BITCHES about it too.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:04 pm
Jagger-Wolf Salmenella Just because you can do something on someone else doesn't mean you should be able to do it to yourself. And damn, I was going to go to the Seattle expo when I move there. Not sure if I want to waste the money now. I hear there's actually two different expos in Seattle, I went to one in August. It apparently was smaller and "crapper" than the other. It was disappointing. I tried to enter the "Sleeve Contest" and was told no, because it wasn't complete enough. Apparently only FULL sleeves, from shoulder to wrist, were allowed to compete. Not even half sleeves. They were BITCHES about it too. I WAS PLANNING ON GOING TO THE ONE IN AUGUST emo What is the other one? And that's just stupid, so because it's a half sleeve that doesn't make it a "real" sleeve or means that it can't blow the other sleeves out of the water?
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:07 pm
Salmenella Jagger-Wolf Salmenella Just because you can do something on someone else doesn't mean you should be able to do it to yourself. And damn, I was going to go to the Seattle expo when I move there. Not sure if I want to waste the money now. I hear there's actually two different expos in Seattle, I went to one in August. It apparently was smaller and "crapper" than the other. It was disappointing. I tried to enter the "Sleeve Contest" and was told no, because it wasn't complete enough. Apparently only FULL sleeves, from shoulder to wrist, were allowed to compete. Not even half sleeves. They were BITCHES about it too. I WAS PLANNING ON GOING TO THE ONE IN AUGUST emo What is the other one? And that's just stupid, so because it's a half sleeve that doesn't make it a "real" sleeve or means that it can't blow the other sleeves out of the water? I'm not sure. I think the one I went to was the "Seattle Tattoo Expo", I know there's another one, but not sure what it's called or when it's held. I'll do some more research though, and I'll let you know what I come up with.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:10 pm
Jagger-Wolf Salmenella Jagger-Wolf Salmenella Just because you can do something on someone else doesn't mean you should be able to do it to yourself. And damn, I was going to go to the Seattle expo when I move there. Not sure if I want to waste the money now. I hear there's actually two different expos in Seattle, I went to one in August. It apparently was smaller and "crapper" than the other. It was disappointing. I tried to enter the "Sleeve Contest" and was told no, because it wasn't complete enough. Apparently only FULL sleeves, from shoulder to wrist, were allowed to compete. Not even half sleeves. They were BITCHES about it too. I WAS PLANNING ON GOING TO THE ONE IN AUGUST emo What is the other one? And that's just stupid, so because it's a half sleeve that doesn't make it a "real" sleeve or means that it can't blow the other sleeves out of the water? I'm not sure. I think the one I went to was the "Seattle Tattoo Expo", I know there's another one, but not sure what it's called or when it's held. I'll do some more research though, and I'll let you know what I come up with. Thank youu. I was planning on going to the Seattle Tattoo Expo, tried to find other ones but didn't have any luck with google. We're way off topic now rofl
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:44 pm
That we are. Anyway...
What about piercing kits you can buy online, and in some stores. Does that make it okay to self-pierce? They're sterilized, usually of good quality materials, all that sort of thing. So that eliminates the "gross, unclean piercing tools, right?
Or no? Why?
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:56 pm
I would say nay because usually the people that get those are kids.
And just because you have the kit doesn't mean that you know all about anatomy.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:10 pm
Oh I thought we were talking about studio attached to home. I wouldn't get something done in like, a living room haha.
And agreed, I'm against the kits. They're often bought in bulk and for all we know that one you buy has a small hole in it that something got in. I'm just more comfortable with autoclaves.
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:52 pm
I was going to post something here.
But.... I think it's best I don't.
There might be a riot.
A full on; bloodbath, riot.
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