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 Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:32 pm
So, the past couple of days I've been reading stuff concerning real-world crimes. So far I've read all the ones involving Wolf Creek, such as the Snowtown Murders. Pretty freaky stuff. Here's a short excerpt on the kinds of stuff that happened: (for those who do not wish to read the graphic nature of the tortures, I have put the font color as white. hightlight between the arrow and the exclamation mark if you want to read) arrow One victim, after being attacked with clubs was reportedly placed in a bath, repeatedly beaten about his genitals and had a toe crushed with a pair of pliers and was then garroted with a piece of rope and a tyre lever.
Another victim received electric shocks to his p***s and testicles, and had a burning sparkler pushed down into his p***s. Finally, after his toe was crushed and his nose and ears burned with cigarettes, he was allowed to choke to death on his gag. exclaim So my question is, what do you think causes people to do this sort of thing?
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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:47 pm
why do people torture and murder? I don't know. Maybe they don't have empathy and they don't care what happens to others. Is there a cause besides their own choice?
edit: just looked at the poll choices. could be any combination of those
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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:23 pm
I think it's a mental disorder. In my opinion, only a deranged mentality is capable of doing atrocious things.
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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:26 pm
There are a lot of reasons why people do things like that to others, but it's hard to be able to tell. A lot of times, it revolves around the inability to distinguish fantasy from reality, and also be unable to recognise other people as "real," that they feel pain and emotions. Also, a need to dominate may be present, to say I can do what I want when I want, or the victim could represent something from the person's past that he wants to get even with, dispose of, something along those lines. And other reasons, too, there are just so many.
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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:48 pm
that made me want to cry.
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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:59 pm
I have read worse than that if you can imagine. But I don't think about it too much. It's very sad to think that lives are ended in that manner.
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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:16 pm
True that all the poll options are prolly all parts of the same puzzle, but I just thought which is the most likely. I think that a definite pre-requisite to do this sort of stuff would involve having a mental disorder, as well as being unable to empathize with the victim/others aside from the self. I'm scared that I actually found this sort of stuff 'interesting'; while I'm sure I would feel differently if I was *watching* this stuff (especially if it was real and meant to injure or traumatize someone), but looking at it from a past-tense glance, I don't know.
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:09 am
I to, Uma, have read worse. It's sad and disheartening to know that one human being can do that to another. Something strange is that oftentimes they don't see it that way. They have problems understanding what it is they did because what they understand to be right and wrong are so different from ours, as are their perceptions and so forth. What is truly strange are the cases where the people know that they should not take a life, and yet they do it anyways so that they will be caught and executed. There aren't a lot of those, but I have read one or two accounts of that, and it is pretty weird.
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:12 am
It must be a mental disorder, I can't see any other reason. There are some pretty messed up people in this world.
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:29 am
Ethan, I don't think it's weird that you find this stuff interesting. I have read my share of the Crime Libraries because I found it interesting too. Matter of fact I lurk at a sex offender site (I don't have an account and never posted). Basically I lurk because I am just trying to figure it out, how they can do what they do.
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:10 am
Is it not just a matter of an emotional barricade between a person and the rest of the world? The barricade can originate from anywhere, and can appear seemingly from nowhere, reinforced by whatever ideas have affected the conurer's mind. It does allow one to gain a lack of feeling, and to consider ideas one would not normally. My theory. I suppose some come out purely as mental disorders though.
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:44 am
Any emotional barricade that allows one to torture and kill in the manner of this topic is derived prima facie from a mental disorder.
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:29 am
id say mental disorder... who is capable of doing that to a person without being somewhat crazy? even if the victim HAD done something to deserve a beating, thats way overboard and plain ridiculous... they should be shot for that kind of cruelty
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:51 am
oh yeah, definitely; I don't think any living thing is deserving of that torture. I mean, a burning sparkler shoved in through the hole of the p***s just makes me cringe thinking about it!
Uma: yeah, well, I find it interesting disecting the mental/emotional actions and reactions involved in cases like these. From both the criminal and victim's standpoints. I don't know why, maybe it's just me being a crazy writer, but I like knowing why someone and how someone would do something to person A, and then how person A must have felt before, during, and after (if indeed there is an after). Which is why I might find flicks like Saw, and Hostel interesting. I do hope it's just scientific curiosity and not something like a hidden sinister reason sad
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:02 pm
OMG, run, RUN, Ethan might go postal!!!
Seriously, tho, I get where you're coming from. I think it's human nature to be sickly fascinated with the depravity to which the human race may sink. Look at how popular Holocaust themes are. Does anyone not know what I mean when I say, "living skeletons"? Horrific stories, horrific pictures, and people always, always turn away from their first glimpse of it. But they always return to examine it closer. You know what one of the hardest tasks is after a natural disaster? A lot of it is keeping the tourists from getting in the way of the rescuers.
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