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 Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:33 pm
Le Aristocrat [Asian Trix] Igud... whaa?? neutral i have a theory test saturday, and i don't know how to distinguish harmonic, natural, melodic scales and plagal, authentic and half chords. D: You seem to have different chord terminology to us in Britain...I'm doing my Grade 5, and I have never come across those terms. However, a harmonic minor scale with have a raised 7th on both the ascent and descent, whereas a melodic minor scale will have a raised 6th and 7th on the ascent and will be played without raising notes on the descent. "Natural" are never used in theory tests over here, but they're played exactly as the key signature dictates. A minor has no sharps in the key signature, hence the natural scale will not be played with any sharps. A minor melodic: A, B, C, D, E, F#, G#, A, G, F, E, D, C, B, A. A minor harmonic: A, B, C, D, E, F, G#, A, G#, F, E, D, C, B, A. A minor natural: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, A, G, F, E, D, C, B, A. I think that's it. OMG THank you SOOOO much. biggrin
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:02 pm
[Asian Trix] Igud... whaa?? neutral i have a theory test saturday, and i don't know how to distinguish harmonic, natural, melodic scales and plagal, authentic and half chords. D: I'll list the cadential progressions here: Plagal: IV-I Authentic: V-I Half: Any type of cadence that ends with a dominant chord. Also, inversions of the harmonies can be used (i.e. I^6 - V)
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:45 pm
Wings [Asian Trix] Igud... whaa?? neutral i have a theory test saturday, and i don't know how to distinguish harmonic, natural, melodic scales and plagal, authentic and half chords. D: I'll list the cadential progressions here: Plagal: IV-I Authentic: V-I Half: Any type of cadence that ends with a dominant chord. Also, inversions of the harmonies can be used (i.e. I^6 - V) See.. thats what' i'm confused of. I is Tonic yes? IV is subdominant and V is dominant right? so .. in a C major chord, the tonic is C-E-G subdominant- E-G-C dominant- G-C-E? if like above, a plagal cadence would be from E-G-C to C-E-G? can you re-explain half please? neutral thank you soo much though, plagal and authentic chords make much more sense to me now! may i ask what contrary motion is also? sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:05 am
No, all chords are build on thirds.
Let's take C major for example.
I (tonic) would be C-E-G.
IV (subdominant) would be F-A-C.
V (dominant) would be G-B-D. V7 would be G-B-D-F.
They're all built in thirds. What you listed (E-G-C and G-C-E) are only inversions of the tonic harmony. In Roman numeral analysis, we would label those as I6 and I6/4 (1st and 2nd inversion, respectively).
Half cadence is any type of cadence that ends with V (dominant). A typical one is I-V, but ii-V, iv-V, vi-V are also seen quite often.
Contrary motion is when two lines are going in opposite directions, i.e. soprano line is rising and bass line is descending--they're going in contrary motion.
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:45 am
Ok, American terminology is rather different to British terminology...We say Perfect Cadence, Imperfect Cadence etc.
I love playing Contrary Motion scales...So much fun. Just thought I'd share that.
Trix, EGC to CEG would be Ib to I. You're thinking of chord inversions.
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:01 am
Oh, I see.
thank you guys. that really helped A LOT
wish me luck. i'm taking it in 2 hours. O.O
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:23 pm
Le Aristocrat Ok, American terminology is rather different to British terminology...We say Perfect Cadence, Imperfect Cadence etc. I love playing Contrary Motion scales...So much fun. Just thought I'd share that. Trix, EGC to CEG would be Ib to I. You're thinking of chord inversions. Not just American. I'm in Canada. XD Anyways, when I was younger, I also learnt the terminology by perfect/imperfect cadences. However, lately the academics have been revising the terms into authentic cadences and half cadences, etc., because they feel the need for something more precise. In example, authentic (perfect) cadences are further split into closed and semi-closed authentic cadences, where the actual scale degree used in the soprano/top line is the determining factor. Perfect/imperfect cadences are still valid terms here, but we are encouraged to use the newer terminology in university level. Just curious, is the "b" in Ib a flat? or an actual "b"? Why do you label first inversion that way? We label first inversion as I6 because it's just the same as figured bass.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:36 am
Wings Le Aristocrat Ok, American terminology is rather different to British terminology...We say Perfect Cadence, Imperfect Cadence etc. I love playing Contrary Motion scales...So much fun. Just thought I'd share that. Trix, EGC to CEG would be Ib to I. You're thinking of chord inversions. Not just American. I'm in Canada. XD Anyways, when I was younger, I also learnt the terminology by perfect/imperfect cadences. However, lately the academics have been revising the terms into authentic cadences and half cadences, etc., because they feel the need for something more precise. In example, authentic (perfect) cadences are further split into closed and semi-closed authentic cadences, where the actual scale degree used in the soprano/top line is the determining factor. Perfect/imperfect cadences are still valid terms here, but we are encouraged to use the newer terminology in university level. Just curious, is the "b" in Ib a flat? or an actual "b"? Why do you label first inversion that way? We label first inversion as I6 because it's just the same as figured bass. Oh, we go into more depth about cadences, but we've kept our terminology the same. No, that's a "b". We label first inversion as Ib or IVb and second inversion as Ic or IVc.
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Le Aristocrat Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:23 am
Interesting. Guess I learn something new everyday. wink
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:01 pm
Okay, what is your favorite movement of Mussorgsky's Picture at an Exhibition?
AND
Do you really think that title reflects how the piece sounds? I don't think it really does...
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:59 pm
Baba-Jaga. XD Her character and story fascinated me, and I've always loved dramatic music. The next one would be the chickies. I'm particularly fond of it in Ravel's orchestration.
As for the title--yes, why not? The pieces themselves are inspired by the paintings, and each bears their own title as well. "Pictures at an Exhibition" is more of an umbrella term, really.
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:04 pm
XD
Mine's the chickie one and the Great Gates of Kiev. smile
I dunno, the title somehow didn't appeal to me as much as the music. neutral
what is a baga jaga? Lol
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:32 pm
In Russian folklore (some versions anyway), she's a hag who lives in a strange house--I think I read that it stands on chicken legs--and grinds children up in her mortar. XD
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:47 pm
Uhhhh... that's creepy. >.> <.<
Chicken legs? lawl. neutral
i mean, i respect russian folklore, but.. it's odd. true, that the U.S. has some odd ones too. but.. smile i dunno.
Anyway...
Why do you think Chopin's piano concertos are not good example of a good concerto, AND what composer do you think has the best structural piano concerto, and which number (if there is one)
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:42 am
It's morbid, yes, but most folk legends are, including the well known Greek and Norse mythology. Remember Prometheus? He helped the humans by giving them fire, and he got punished by having his innards pecked out every single day and regrown, only to be pecked out again.
Folk tales are so gruesome sometimes, but it's much more fun than the Disney versions. XD
Chopin's piano concertos make the orchestra subservient to the piano too much. They're beautiful works, yes, but the orchestra may find their own parts somewhat dry. As for structure...eh, ask our resident expert. ^_~
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