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 Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:53 pm
Monkeyinafryingpan NoLifeKing66 Suni moon NoLifeKing66 Suni moon But come on, why have a self destruct device? Just so they could give him the gun so he'd use it to kill Anderson and get him out of the way, why bother making it to begin with? *shrug* I think it had a better purpose then that, if it was tracking Alucard it would help more with the Majors plans...a better more complex study of the enemy... confused Besides, I think there is only so much following Walter can do before Alucard would shoot him in the head. sweatdrop The Jackal was made specifically for the purpose of killing Anderson. Walter says so himself (just after the Doctor detonates it). Bear in mind, also, that Alucard did not suspect Walter of treachery (nobody did). Furthermore, Walter does not have to follow Alucard everywhere he goes to study him. Hellsing keeps on eye on Alucard at all times. All Walter has to do is report what they see to Millennium. True, once Anderson was dead there was no further use for it... By way, I don't remember, did Alucard actually use the Jackel for the killing blow? No, he didn't. Ironic, isn't it? However, the Jackal was still very special. Anderson could not regenerate the wounds he received from it (which makes one wonder whether or not his regenerative capabilities could possibly be derived from vampires' own regenerative capabilities, considering that the Jackal's ammunition consisted of blessed, Mercury-charged bullets with casings of Macedonian silver). This always astounded and confused me about Anderson. Also, I believe Walter's pretty solid. He won't really have a whole lot to report, I mean, he's not Alucard's baby sitter. You're right. He's not a baby-sitter. He's a spy.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:30 pm
perhaps walter could have been semi-brainwashed back in the Dawn days, resulting in his "memory lapse" because they'd removed all conscious evidence of his betrayal programming so that even alucard wouldn't be able to sense any danger from him.
and as for anderson, remember the "technology came at a heavy price" commentary about anderson's abilities? The vatican helped the nazis escape with their artificial vampire technology, so perhaps part of the deal for their assistance was a little knowledge-sharing, or even a few "test subjects" thrown their way without the subject's knowing who was really behind the enhancements?
i've come to believe that anderson's abilities and enhancements are derived from the same fake-vamp technology as the major's crew, but skewed and tinkered with by the vatican's researchers as well. fanatical devotion and a willingness to kill for a cause on faith alone would be appealing to them in a subject.
it would also explain the fact that the vatican troops were apparently ordered to stay back and let millenium and hellsing duke it out to a point. perhaps the minions of the saints made a deal with the devil, and let the world fall into hell so that once the ashes settle, they can swoop in as the righteous saviors of humanity against the undead plague they themselves allowed to start.
the vatican is already the richest nation in the world, and it's only like what, less than a mile across? wouldn't put it past them. (fictionally speaking of course, but i have my doubts about the real thing too, but that's a topic for another time and place.)
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which reminds me, am i the only one strangely amused yet weirded out by the fact that the current pope used to be a member of hitler's little youth brigade thingy in his day? one of, if not THE most bizarre coincidences ever considering the whole "in cahoots" plotline. just... weird. stare
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:52 pm
michigami perhaps walter could have been semi-brainwashed back in the Dawn days, resulting in his "memory lapse" because they'd removed all conscious evidence of his betrayal programming so that even alucard wouldn't be able to sense any danger from him. and as for anderson, remember the "technology came at a heavy price" commentary about anderson's abilities? The vatican helped the nazis escape with their artificial vampire technology, so perhaps part of the deal for their assistance was a little knowledge-sharing, or even a few "test subjects" thrown their way without the subject's knowing who was really behind the enhancements? i've come to believe that anderson's abilities and enhancements are derived from the same fake-vamp technology as the major's crew, but skewed and tinkered with by the vatican's researchers as well. fanatical devotion and a willingness to kill for a cause on faith alone would be appealing to them in a subject. it would also explain the fact that the vatican troops were apparently ordered to stay back and let millenium and hellsing duke it out to a point. perhaps the minions of the saints made a deal with the devil, and let the world fall into hell so that once the ashes settle, they can swoop in as the righteous saviors of humanity against the undead plague they themselves allowed to start. the vatican is already the richest nation in the world, and it's only like what, less than a mile across? wouldn't put it past them. (fictionally speaking of course, but i have my doubts about the real thing too, but that's a topic for another time and place.) - which reminds me, am i the only one strangely amused yet weirded out by the fact that the current pope used to be a member of hitler's little youth brigade thingy in his day? one of, if not THE most bizarre coincidences ever considering the whole "in cahoots" plotline. just... weird. stare Some people have proposed the possibility that Young Walter was brainwashed to forget his agreement with Millennium, but I doubt it. Contrary to popular belief, in the manga, Alucard does not possess the ability to speak to other people telepathically (only to his fledgling, Seras Victoria). He cannot look into other people's minds except through their blood. Thus, it wouldn't be particularly hard to Walter to hide his agreement from Alucard, if Alucard never knew the agreement existed (Walter is, after all, quite a sneaky b*****d). The idea that Anderson's regenerative powers are derived from those of the vampire is a possibility, but not the only theory I've heard. Another one is that they are derived from those of the werewolf (which, I suppose, is based on a rumor that the Vatican experimented with werewolves in World War II). Both are interesting. The Vatican troops stood back and let Hellsing and Millennium destroy each other because that's what Enrico Maxwell told them to do. It's a very simple, very cowardly strategy (let two armies go at each other until there's hardly anyone left, then go in and pick up the pieces). It suits Enrico very well. The current pope is not only an ex-Nazi, but also, apparently, a Muslim-hater.
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:43 pm
NoLifeKing66 michigami perhaps walter could have been semi-brainwashed back in the Dawn days, resulting in his "memory lapse" because they'd removed all conscious evidence of his betrayal programming so that even alucard wouldn't be able to sense any danger from him. and as for anderson, remember the "technology came at a heavy price" commentary about anderson's abilities? The vatican helped the nazis escape with their artificial vampire technology, so perhaps part of the deal for their assistance was a little knowledge-sharing, or even a few "test subjects" thrown their way without the subject's knowing who was really behind the enhancements? i've come to believe that anderson's abilities and enhancements are derived from the same fake-vamp technology as the major's crew, but skewed and tinkered with by the vatican's researchers as well. fanatical devotion and a willingness to kill for a cause on faith alone would be appealing to them in a subject. it would also explain the fact that the vatican troops were apparently ordered to stay back and let millenium and hellsing duke it out to a point. perhaps the minions of the saints made a deal with the devil, and let the world fall into hell so that once the ashes settle, they can swoop in as the righteous saviors of humanity against the undead plague they themselves allowed to start. the vatican is already the richest nation in the world, and it's only like what, less than a mile across? wouldn't put it past them. (fictionally speaking of course, but i have my doubts about the real thing too, but that's a topic for another time and place.) - which reminds me, am i the only one strangely amused yet weirded out by the fact that the current pope used to be a member of hitler's little youth brigade thingy in his day? one of, if not THE most bizarre coincidences ever considering the whole "in cahoots" plotline. just... weird. stare Some people have proposed the possibility that Young Walter was brainwashed to forget his agreement with Millennium, but I doubt it. Contrary to popular belief, in the manga, Alucard does not possess the ability to speak to other people telepathically (only to his fledgling, Seras Victoria). He cannot look into other people's minds except through their blood. Thus, it wouldn't be particularly hard to Walter to hide his agreement from Alucard, if Alucard never knew the agreement existed (Walter is, after all, quite a sneaky b*****d). The idea that Anderson's regenerative powers are derived from those of the vampire is a possibility, but not the only theory I've heard. Another one is that they are derived from those of the werewolf (which, I suppose, is based on a rumor that the Vatican experimented with werewolves in World War II). Both are interesting. The Vatican troops stood back and let Hellsing and Millennium destroy each other because that's what Enrico Maxwell told them to do. It's a very simple, very cowardly strategy (let two armies go at each other until there's hardly anyone left, then go in and pick up the pieces). It suits Enrico very well. The current pope is not only an ex-Nazi, but also, apparently, a Muslim-hater. Not to be getting to off topic but... This is all I have to say about the current pope: http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/pope_looks_like_palpatine_02.jpg neutral Hmm, the werewolf theory does work with the time line, I've thought about that possibility before ...but still...I get the impression werewolves are just hard to come by these days, I think the vatican would have had their own werewolf, I doubt they'd borrow The Captain... I mean, sure there are probably more werewolves out there somewhere, and I can see the vatican getting one, or at least borrowing information from Millenium... but I just don't see it working with Hellsing canon... I'm leaning more on vampire. And Walter is a sneaky b*****d, I think the only brainwashing I think he's received is the recent dose to make him willing to attack Hellsing...
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:51 pm
Suni moon NoLifeKing66 michigami perhaps walter could have been semi-brainwashed back in the Dawn days, resulting in his "memory lapse" because they'd removed all conscious evidence of his betrayal programming so that even alucard wouldn't be able to sense any danger from him. and as for anderson, remember the "technology came at a heavy price" commentary about anderson's abilities? The vatican helped the nazis escape with their artificial vampire technology, so perhaps part of the deal for their assistance was a little knowledge-sharing, or even a few "test subjects" thrown their way without the subject's knowing who was really behind the enhancements? i've come to believe that anderson's abilities and enhancements are derived from the same fake-vamp technology as the major's crew, but skewed and tinkered with by the vatican's researchers as well. fanatical devotion and a willingness to kill for a cause on faith alone would be appealing to them in a subject. it would also explain the fact that the vatican troops were apparently ordered to stay back and let millenium and hellsing duke it out to a point. perhaps the minions of the saints made a deal with the devil, and let the world fall into hell so that once the ashes settle, they can swoop in as the righteous saviors of humanity against the undead plague they themselves allowed to start. the vatican is already the richest nation in the world, and it's only like what, less than a mile across? wouldn't put it past them. (fictionally speaking of course, but i have my doubts about the real thing too, but that's a topic for another time and place.) - which reminds me, am i the only one strangely amused yet weirded out by the fact that the current pope used to be a member of hitler's little youth brigade thingy in his day? one of, if not THE most bizarre coincidences ever considering the whole "in cahoots" plotline. just... weird. stare Some people have proposed the possibility that Young Walter was brainwashed to forget his agreement with Millennium, but I doubt it. Contrary to popular belief, in the manga, Alucard does not possess the ability to speak to other people telepathically (only to his fledgling, Seras Victoria). He cannot look into other people's minds except through their blood. Thus, it wouldn't be particularly hard to Walter to hide his agreement from Alucard, if Alucard never knew the agreement existed (Walter is, after all, quite a sneaky b*****d). The idea that Anderson's regenerative powers are derived from those of the vampire is a possibility, but not the only theory I've heard. Another one is that they are derived from those of the werewolf (which, I suppose, is based on a rumor that the Vatican experimented with werewolves in World War II). Both are interesting. The Vatican troops stood back and let Hellsing and Millennium destroy each other because that's what Enrico Maxwell told them to do. It's a very simple, very cowardly strategy (let two armies go at each other until there's hardly anyone left, then go in and pick up the pieces). It suits Enrico very well. The current pope is not only an ex-Nazi, but also, apparently, a Muslim-hater. Not to be getting to off topic but... This is all I have to say about the current pope: http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/pope_looks_like_palpatine_02.jpg neutral Hmm, the werewolf theory does work with the time line, I've thought about that possibility before ...but still...I get the impression werewolves are just hard to come by these days, I think the vatican would have had their own werewolf, I doubt they'd borrow The Captain... I mean, sure there are probably more werewolves out there somewhere, and I can see the vatican getting one, or at least borrowing information from Millenium... but I just don't see it working with Hellsing canon... I'm leaning more on vampire. And Walter is a sneaky b*****d, I think the only brainwashing I think he's received is the recent dose to make him willing to attack Hellsing... Just because Alucard said he had not seen a werewolf (other than the Captain) in a hundred years doesn't mean that there aren't any. Anyway, let's try to keep our discussion on-topic (that is, Walter-oriented).
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:33 pm
NoLifeKing66 Suni moon NoLifeKing66 michigami perhaps walter could have been semi-brainwashed back in the Dawn days, resulting in his "memory lapse" because they'd removed all conscious evidence of his betrayal programming so that even alucard wouldn't be able to sense any danger from him. and as for anderson, remember the "technology came at a heavy price" commentary about anderson's abilities? The vatican helped the nazis escape with their artificial vampire technology, so perhaps part of the deal for their assistance was a little knowledge-sharing, or even a few "test subjects" thrown their way without the subject's knowing who was really behind the enhancements? i've come to believe that anderson's abilities and enhancements are derived from the same fake-vamp technology as the major's crew, but skewed and tinkered with by the vatican's researchers as well. fanatical devotion and a willingness to kill for a cause on faith alone would be appealing to them in a subject. it would also explain the fact that the vatican troops were apparently ordered to stay back and let millenium and hellsing duke it out to a point. perhaps the minions of the saints made a deal with the devil, and let the world fall into hell so that once the ashes settle, they can swoop in as the righteous saviors of humanity against the undead plague they themselves allowed to start. the vatican is already the richest nation in the world, and it's only like what, less than a mile across? wouldn't put it past them. (fictionally speaking of course, but i have my doubts about the real thing too, but that's a topic for another time and place.) - which reminds me, am i the only one strangely amused yet weirded out by the fact that the current pope used to be a member of hitler's little youth brigade thingy in his day? one of, if not THE most bizarre coincidences ever considering the whole "in cahoots" plotline. just... weird. stare Some people have proposed the possibility that Young Walter was brainwashed to forget his agreement with Millennium, but I doubt it. Contrary to popular belief, in the manga, Alucard does not possess the ability to speak to other people telepathically (only to his fledgling, Seras Victoria). He cannot look into other people's minds except through their blood. Thus, it wouldn't be particularly hard to Walter to hide his agreement from Alucard, if Alucard never knew the agreement existed (Walter is, after all, quite a sneaky b*****d). The idea that Anderson's regenerative powers are derived from those of the vampire is a possibility, but not the only theory I've heard. Another one is that they are derived from those of the werewolf (which, I suppose, is based on a rumor that the Vatican experimented with werewolves in World War II). Both are interesting. The Vatican troops stood back and let Hellsing and Millennium destroy each other because that's what Enrico Maxwell told them to do. It's a very simple, very cowardly strategy (let two armies go at each other until there's hardly anyone left, then go in and pick up the pieces). It suits Enrico very well. The current pope is not only an ex-Nazi, but also, apparently, a Muslim-hater. Not to be getting to off topic but... This is all I have to say about the current pope: http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/pope_looks_like_palpatine_02.jpg neutral Hmm, the werewolf theory does work with the time line, I've thought about that possibility before ...but still...I get the impression werewolves are just hard to come by these days, I think the vatican would have had their own werewolf, I doubt they'd borrow The Captain... I mean, sure there are probably more werewolves out there somewhere, and I can see the vatican getting one, or at least borrowing information from Millenium... but I just don't see it working with Hellsing canon... I'm leaning more on vampire. And Walter is a sneaky b*****d, I think the only brainwashing I think he's received is the recent dose to make him willing to attack Hellsing... Just because Alucard said he had not seen a werewolf (other than the Captain) in a hundred years doesn't mean that there aren't any. Anyway, let's try to keep our discussion on-topic (that is, Walter-oriented). And I just relized its especially true considering Alucard's been sort of....erm...under house arrest at Hellsing for the past 50 years...that doesn't give him too many chances to see werewolves. ANYWAY, yeah, Walter. I'm actually not 100% sure he turned on Hellsing back in Dawn...I'm starting to think it may have happened very shortly after the events in Dawn... neutral
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:40 pm
Suni moon NoLifeKing66 Suni moon NoLifeKing66 Some people have proposed the possibility that Young Walter was brainwashed to forget his agreement with Millennium, but I doubt it. Contrary to popular belief, in the manga, Alucard does not possess the ability to speak to other people telepathically (only to his fledgling, Seras Victoria). He cannot look into other people's minds except through their blood. Thus, it wouldn't be particularly hard to Walter to hide his agreement from Alucard, if Alucard never knew the agreement existed (Walter is, after all, quite a sneaky b*****d). The idea that Anderson's regenerative powers are derived from those of the vampire is a possibility, but not the only theory I've heard. Another one is that they are derived from those of the werewolf (which, I suppose, is based on a rumor that the Vatican experimented with werewolves in World War II). Both are interesting. The Vatican troops stood back and let Hellsing and Millennium destroy each other because that's what Enrico Maxwell told them to do. It's a very simple, very cowardly strategy (let two armies go at each other until there's hardly anyone left, then go in and pick up the pieces). It suits Enrico very well. The current pope is not only an ex-Nazi, but also, apparently, a Muslim-hater. Not to be getting to off topic but... This is all I have to say about the current pope: http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/pope_looks_like_palpatine_02.jpg neutral Hmm, the werewolf theory does work with the time line, I've thought about that possibility before ...but still...I get the impression werewolves are just hard to come by these days, I think the vatican would have had their own werewolf, I doubt they'd borrow The Captain... I mean, sure there are probably more werewolves out there somewhere, and I can see the vatican getting one, or at least borrowing information from Millenium... but I just don't see it working with Hellsing canon... I'm leaning more on vampire. And Walter is a sneaky b*****d, I think the only brainwashing I think he's received is the recent dose to make him willing to attack Hellsing... Just because Alucard said he had not seen a werewolf (other than the Captain) in a hundred years doesn't mean that there aren't any. Anyway, let's try to keep our discussion on-topic (that is, Walter-oriented). And I just relized its especially true considering Alucard's been sort of....erm...under house arrest at Hellsing for the past 50 years...that doesn't give him too many chances to see werewolves. ANYWAY, yeah, Walter. I'm actually not 100% sure he turned on Hellsing back in Dawn...I'm starting to think it may have happened very shortly after the events in Dawn... neutral lol at Popetine rofl but yeah, either way it goes, walter's been a traitor for a long, loong time. it does kinda make one wonder WHY, though. i mean, why wait so long? what's he been doing waiting around this long? sabotaging hellsing from within for 50 years? theoretically he could have been poisoning arthur's booze to get him out of the picture faster, and let richard take over, who definately looked like enough of a power-monger to turn in a heartbeat for a shot at even more influence and power. when that failed thanks to alucard, why stick around and help raise integra if he wanted to destroy hellsing? why wait through all that if he was just going to off them anyway? i mean, what was the plan? weaken hellsing, but create a strong enough enemy to warrant the big stompdown on england? revenge on alucard perhaps? but even that would have a big moment of "why all the trouble?". plotline logic escapes me, but it makes a pretty good read even if we don't know why they're playing their little games with each other. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:50 am
michigami Suni moon NoLifeKing66 Suni moon NoLifeKing66 Some people have proposed the possibility that Young Walter was brainwashed to forget his agreement with Millennium, but I doubt it. Contrary to popular belief, in the manga, Alucard does not possess the ability to speak to other people telepathically (only to his fledgling, Seras Victoria). He cannot look into other people's minds except through their blood. Thus, it wouldn't be particularly hard to Walter to hide his agreement from Alucard, if Alucard never knew the agreement existed (Walter is, after all, quite a sneaky b*****d). The idea that Anderson's regenerative powers are derived from those of the vampire is a possibility, but not the only theory I've heard. Another one is that they are derived from those of the werewolf (which, I suppose, is based on a rumor that the Vatican experimented with werewolves in World War II). Both are interesting. The Vatican troops stood back and let Hellsing and Millennium destroy each other because that's what Enrico Maxwell told them to do. It's a very simple, very cowardly strategy (let two armies go at each other until there's hardly anyone left, then go in and pick up the pieces). It suits Enrico very well. The current pope is not only an ex-Nazi, but also, apparently, a Muslim-hater. Not to be getting to off topic but... This is all I have to say about the current pope: http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/pope_looks_like_palpatine_02.jpg neutral Hmm, the werewolf theory does work with the time line, I've thought about that possibility before ...but still...I get the impression werewolves are just hard to come by these days, I think the vatican would have had their own werewolf, I doubt they'd borrow The Captain... I mean, sure there are probably more werewolves out there somewhere, and I can see the vatican getting one, or at least borrowing information from Millenium... but I just don't see it working with Hellsing canon... I'm leaning more on vampire. And Walter is a sneaky b*****d, I think the only brainwashing I think he's received is the recent dose to make him willing to attack Hellsing... Just because Alucard said he had not seen a werewolf (other than the Captain) in a hundred years doesn't mean that there aren't any. Anyway, let's try to keep our discussion on-topic (that is, Walter-oriented). And I just relized its especially true considering Alucard's been sort of....erm...under house arrest at Hellsing for the past 50 years...that doesn't give him too many chances to see werewolves. ANYWAY, yeah, Walter. I'm actually not 100% sure he turned on Hellsing back in Dawn...I'm starting to think it may have happened very shortly after the events in Dawn... neutral lol at Popetine rofl but yeah, either way it goes, walter's been a traitor for a long, loong time. it does kinda make one wonder WHY, though. i mean, why wait so long? what's he been doing waiting around this long? sabotaging hellsing from within for 50 years? theoretically he could have been poisoning arthur's booze to get him out of the picture faster, and let richard take over, who definately looked like enough of a power-monger to turn in a heartbeat for a shot at even more influence and power. when that failed thanks to alucard, why stick around and help raise integra if he wanted to destroy hellsing? why wait through all that if he was just going to off them anyway? i mean, what was the plan? weaken hellsing, but create a strong enough enemy to warrant the big stompdown on england? revenge on alucard perhaps? but even that would have a big moment of "why all the trouble?". plotline logic escapes me, but it makes a pretty good read even if we don't know why they're playing their little games with each other. 3nodding Walter was Millennium's informant. He had to remain in England and report Hellsing's activities to Millennium, allowing Millennium to ascertain what time would be best for their return. He was also a saboteur, arranging events that Millennium wanted to occur, the most important of these events being Alucard's release. It's also possible that he was instructed to help Integra become a worthy adversary. I doubt that Walter assassinated Arthur (I usually attribute Arthur's death to liver failure from all the drinking he did in his youth), especially considering how old Arthur was when he died (he was at least 50 when Integra was born). Most importantly, Walter wanted to become a vampire. Thus, Walter had to wait for Millennium to return to England before he could reveal his betrayal (otherwise, Millennium's plans would have been ruined and Walter's chance at immortality would have been lost). It is currently unknown why Walter wanted to become a vampire. My theory is that Young Walter, being the arrogant little brat that he was, was afraid of becoming inevitably old and invalid, and thus opted to become eternally young and virile, instead. It also seems that Walter wanted to fight and defeat Alucard (not Seras or Integra). The initial thought behind his scheme remains to be seen.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:24 pm
NoLifeKing66 michigami Suni moon NoLifeKing66 Suni moon NoLifeKing66 Some people have proposed the possibility that Young Walter was brainwashed to forget his agreement with Millennium, but I doubt it. Contrary to popular belief, in the manga, Alucard does not possess the ability to speak to other people telepathically (only to his fledgling, Seras Victoria). He cannot look into other people's minds except through their blood. Thus, it wouldn't be particularly hard to Walter to hide his agreement from Alucard, if Alucard never knew the agreement existed (Walter is, after all, quite a sneaky b*****d). The idea that Anderson's regenerative powers are derived from those of the vampire is a possibility, but not the only theory I've heard. Another one is that they are derived from those of the werewolf (which, I suppose, is based on a rumor that the Vatican experimented with werewolves in World War II). Both are interesting. The Vatican troops stood back and let Hellsing and Millennium destroy each other because that's what Enrico Maxwell told them to do. It's a very simple, very cowardly strategy (let two armies go at each other until there's hardly anyone left, then go in and pick up the pieces). It suits Enrico very well. The current pope is not only an ex-Nazi, but also, apparently, a Muslim-hater. Not to be getting to off topic but... This is all I have to say about the current pope: http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/pope_looks_like_palpatine_02.jpg neutral Hmm, the werewolf theory does work with the time line, I've thought about that possibility before ...but still...I get the impression werewolves are just hard to come by these days, I think the vatican would have had their own werewolf, I doubt they'd borrow The Captain... I mean, sure there are probably more werewolves out there somewhere, and I can see the vatican getting one, or at least borrowing information from Millenium... but I just don't see it working with Hellsing canon... I'm leaning more on vampire. And Walter is a sneaky b*****d, I think the only brainwashing I think he's received is the recent dose to make him willing to attack Hellsing... Just because Alucard said he had not seen a werewolf (other than the Captain) in a hundred years doesn't mean that there aren't any. Anyway, let's try to keep our discussion on-topic (that is, Walter-oriented). And I just relized its especially true considering Alucard's been sort of....erm...under house arrest at Hellsing for the past 50 years...that doesn't give him too many chances to see werewolves. ANYWAY, yeah, Walter. I'm actually not 100% sure he turned on Hellsing back in Dawn...I'm starting to think it may have happened very shortly after the events in Dawn... neutral lol at Popetine rofl but yeah, either way it goes, walter's been a traitor for a long, loong time. it does kinda make one wonder WHY, though. i mean, why wait so long? what's he been doing waiting around this long? sabotaging hellsing from within for 50 years? theoretically he could have been poisoning arthur's booze to get him out of the picture faster, and let richard take over, who definately looked like enough of a power-monger to turn in a heartbeat for a shot at even more influence and power. when that failed thanks to alucard, why stick around and help raise integra if he wanted to destroy hellsing? why wait through all that if he was just going to off them anyway? i mean, what was the plan? weaken hellsing, but create a strong enough enemy to warrant the big stompdown on england? revenge on alucard perhaps? but even that would have a big moment of "why all the trouble?". plotline logic escapes me, but it makes a pretty good read even if we don't know why they're playing their little games with each other. 3nodding Walter was Millennium's informant. He had to remain in England and report Hellsing's activities to Millennium, allowing Millennium to ascertain what time would be best for their return. He was also a saboteur, arranging events that Millennium wanted to occur, the most important of these events being Alucard's release. It's also possible that he was instructed to help Integra become a worthy adversary. I doubt that Walter assassinated Arthur (I usually attribute Arthur's death to liver failure from all the drinking he did in his youth), especially considering how old Arthur was when he died (he was at least 50 when Integra was born). Most importantly, Walter wanted to become a vampire. Thus, Walter had to wait for Millennium to return to England before he could reveal his betrayal (otherwise, Millennium's plans would have been ruined and Walter's chance at immortality would have been lost). It is currently unknown why Walter wanted to become a vampire. My theory is that Young Walter, being the arrogant little brat that he was, was afraid of becoming inevitably old and invalid, and thus opted to become eternally young and virile, instead. It also seems that Walter wanted to fight and defeat Alucard (not Seras or Integra). The initial thought behind his scheme remains to be seen. I have a doubt he was told to help Integra grow to who she is now, I think he did that of his own choosing, I think he loved Integra like a daughter and what ever effect he had in her life was completely natural and not related to Millennium. I don't deney he could have been given such an order, and still have probably done it regardless, but it just doesn't seem right. However, there are some moments where Walter seems to have been pushing Integra on, to do things that went with Millenniums plans. =/ but what do I know...
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:39 pm
Suni moon NoLifeKing66 michigami Suni moon NoLifeKing66 Just because Alucard said he had not seen a werewolf (other than the Captain) in a hundred years doesn't mean that there aren't any. Anyway, let's try to keep our discussion on-topic (that is, Walter-oriented). And I just relized its especially true considering Alucard's been sort of....erm...under house arrest at Hellsing for the past 50 years...that doesn't give him too many chances to see werewolves. ANYWAY, yeah, Walter. I'm actually not 100% sure he turned on Hellsing back in Dawn...I'm starting to think it may have happened very shortly after the events in Dawn... neutral lol at Popetine rofl but yeah, either way it goes, walter's been a traitor for a long, loong time. it does kinda make one wonder WHY, though. i mean, why wait so long? what's he been doing waiting around this long? sabotaging hellsing from within for 50 years? theoretically he could have been poisoning arthur's booze to get him out of the picture faster, and let richard take over, who definately looked like enough of a power-monger to turn in a heartbeat for a shot at even more influence and power. when that failed thanks to alucard, why stick around and help raise integra if he wanted to destroy hellsing? why wait through all that if he was just going to off them anyway? i mean, what was the plan? weaken hellsing, but create a strong enough enemy to warrant the big stompdown on england? revenge on alucard perhaps? but even that would have a big moment of "why all the trouble?". plotline logic escapes me, but it makes a pretty good read even if we don't know why they're playing their little games with each other. 3nodding Walter was Millennium's informant. He had to remain in England and report Hellsing's activities to Millennium, allowing Millennium to ascertain what time would be best for their return. He was also a saboteur, arranging events that Millennium wanted to occur, the most important of these events being Alucard's release. It's also possible that he was instructed to help Integra become a worthy adversary. I doubt that Walter assassinated Arthur (I usually attribute Arthur's death to liver failure from all the drinking he did in his youth), especially considering how old Arthur was when he died (he was at least 50 when Integra was born). Most importantly, Walter wanted to become a vampire. Thus, Walter had to wait for Millennium to return to England before he could reveal his betrayal (otherwise, Millennium's plans would have been ruined and Walter's chance at immortality would have been lost). It is currently unknown why Walter wanted to become a vampire. My theory is that Young Walter, being the arrogant little brat that he was, was afraid of becoming inevitably old and invalid, and thus opted to become eternally young and virile, instead. It also seems that Walter wanted to fight and defeat Alucard (not Seras or Integra). The initial thought behind his scheme remains to be seen. I have a doubt he was told to help Integra grow to who she is now, I think he did that of his own choosing, I think he loved Integra like a daughter and what ever effect he had in her life was completely natural and not related to Millennium. I don't deney he could have been given such an order, and still have probably done it regardless, but it just doesn't seem right. However, there are some moments where Walter seems to have been pushing Integra on, to do things that went with Millenniums plans. =/ but what do I know... Nobody expected Walter to do what he did. In light of that, we have to re-evaluate everything we know about his character. How much of that kindly old man was real, and how much of him was a charade?
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:56 pm
Okay, because I realized that this is quite the little spoiler thread, I'm not going to read it, but I want to say this:
Walter = Angel of Death ja?
Dr. Josef Mengele [Doktor at Auchwitz] was known as the Angel of Death because of all the twisted experiments he did.
: D
That is all.
xD
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:02 pm
NoLifeKing66 Suni moon NoLifeKing66 michigami Suni moon NoLifeKing66 Just because Alucard said he had not seen a werewolf (other than the Captain) in a hundred years doesn't mean that there aren't any. Anyway, let's try to keep our discussion on-topic (that is, Walter-oriented). And I just relized its especially true considering Alucard's been sort of....erm...under house arrest at Hellsing for the past 50 years...that doesn't give him too many chances to see werewolves. ANYWAY, yeah, Walter. I'm actually not 100% sure he turned on Hellsing back in Dawn...I'm starting to think it may have happened very shortly after the events in Dawn... neutral lol at Popetine rofl but yeah, either way it goes, walter's been a traitor for a long, loong time. it does kinda make one wonder WHY, though. i mean, why wait so long? what's he been doing waiting around this long? sabotaging hellsing from within for 50 years? theoretically he could have been poisoning arthur's booze to get him out of the picture faster, and let richard take over, who definately looked like enough of a power-monger to turn in a heartbeat for a shot at even more influence and power. when that failed thanks to alucard, why stick around and help raise integra if he wanted to destroy hellsing? why wait through all that if he was just going to off them anyway? i mean, what was the plan? weaken hellsing, but create a strong enough enemy to warrant the big stompdown on england? revenge on alucard perhaps? but even that would have a big moment of "why all the trouble?". plotline logic escapes me, but it makes a pretty good read even if we don't know why they're playing their little games with each other. 3nodding Walter was Millennium's informant. He had to remain in England and report Hellsing's activities to Millennium, allowing Millennium to ascertain what time would be best for their return. He was also a saboteur, arranging events that Millennium wanted to occur, the most important of these events being Alucard's release. It's also possible that he was instructed to help Integra become a worthy adversary. I doubt that Walter assassinated Arthur (I usually attribute Arthur's death to liver failure from all the drinking he did in his youth), especially considering how old Arthur was when he died (he was at least 50 when Integra was born). Most importantly, Walter wanted to become a vampire. Thus, Walter had to wait for Millennium to return to England before he could reveal his betrayal (otherwise, Millennium's plans would have been ruined and Walter's chance at immortality would have been lost). It is currently unknown why Walter wanted to become a vampire. My theory is that Young Walter, being the arrogant little brat that he was, was afraid of becoming inevitably old and invalid, and thus opted to become eternally young and virile, instead. It also seems that Walter wanted to fight and defeat Alucard (not Seras or Integra). The initial thought behind his scheme remains to be seen. I have a doubt he was told to help Integra grow to who she is now, I think he did that of his own choosing, I think he loved Integra like a daughter and what ever effect he had in her life was completely natural and not related to Millennium. I don't deney he could have been given such an order, and still have probably done it regardless, but it just doesn't seem right. However, there are some moments where Walter seems to have been pushing Integra on, to do things that went with Millenniums plans. =/ but what do I know... Nobody expected Walter to do what he did. In light of that, we have to re-evaluate everything we know about his character. How much of that kindly old man was real, and how much of him was a charade? I think most of his relationship with Integra was real... =/ Even though he'd totally sell her out to Millennium if it got him immortality. We've already known since volume 2 that he's not some kindly old gentleman. I think with our current facts (What we've established since the start of this thread) we should now be looking over and speculating less of the terrible things he is capable of...but more of the things he's not capable of in order to determine his character.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:04 pm
The Thorn In Your Side Okay, because I realized that this is quite the little spoiler thread, I'm not going to read it, but I want to say this:
Walter = Angel of Death ja?
Dr. Josef Mengele [Doktor at Auchwitz] was known as the Angel of Death because of all the twisted experiments he did.
: D
That is all.
xD *shivers* Lets not bring the Angel of Death into this... All the stuff about that guy creeps me out...
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:16 pm
Suni moon NoLifeKing66 Suni moon NoLifeKing66 michigami lol at Popetine rofl but yeah, either way it goes, walter's been a traitor for a long, loong time. it does kinda make one wonder WHY, though. i mean, why wait so long? what's he been doing waiting around this long? sabotaging hellsing from within for 50 years? theoretically he could have been poisoning arthur's booze to get him out of the picture faster, and let richard take over, who definately looked like enough of a power-monger to turn in a heartbeat for a shot at even more influence and power. when that failed thanks to alucard, why stick around and help raise integra if he wanted to destroy hellsing? why wait through all that if he was just going to off them anyway? i mean, what was the plan? weaken hellsing, but create a strong enough enemy to warrant the big stompdown on england? revenge on alucard perhaps? but even that would have a big moment of "why all the trouble?". plotline logic escapes me, but it makes a pretty good read even if we don't know why they're playing their little games with each other. 3nodding Walter was Millennium's informant. He had to remain in England and report Hellsing's activities to Millennium, allowing Millennium to ascertain what time would be best for their return. He was also a saboteur, arranging events that Millennium wanted to occur, the most important of these events being Alucard's release. It's also possible that he was instructed to help Integra become a worthy adversary. I doubt that Walter assassinated Arthur (I usually attribute Arthur's death to liver failure from all the drinking he did in his youth), especially considering how old Arthur was when he died (he was at least 50 when Integra was born). Most importantly, Walter wanted to become a vampire. Thus, Walter had to wait for Millennium to return to England before he could reveal his betrayal (otherwise, Millennium's plans would have been ruined and Walter's chance at immortality would have been lost). It is currently unknown why Walter wanted to become a vampire. My theory is that Young Walter, being the arrogant little brat that he was, was afraid of becoming inevitably old and invalid, and thus opted to become eternally young and virile, instead. It also seems that Walter wanted to fight and defeat Alucard (not Seras or Integra). The initial thought behind his scheme remains to be seen. I have a doubt he was told to help Integra grow to who she is now, I think he did that of his own choosing, I think he loved Integra like a daughter and what ever effect he had in her life was completely natural and not related to Millennium. I don't deney he could have been given such an order, and still have probably done it regardless, but it just doesn't seem right. However, there are some moments where Walter seems to have been pushing Integra on, to do things that went with Millenniums plans. =/ but what do I know... Nobody expected Walter to do what he did. In light of that, we have to re-evaluate everything we know about his character. How much of that kindly old man was real, and how much of him was a charade? I think most of his relationship with Integra was real... =/ Even though he'd totally sell her out to Millennium if it got him immortality. We've already known since volume 2 that he's not some kindly old gentleman. I think with our current facts (What we've established since the start of this thread) we should now be looking over and speculating less of the terrible things he is capable of...but more of the things he's not capable of in order to determine his character. What sort of things might those be?
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:28 pm
NoLifeKing66 Suni moon NoLifeKing66 Suni moon NoLifeKing66 michigami lol at Popetine rofl but yeah, either way it goes, walter's been a traitor for a long, loong time. it does kinda make one wonder WHY, though. i mean, why wait so long? what's he been doing waiting around this long? sabotaging hellsing from within for 50 years? theoretically he could have been poisoning arthur's booze to get him out of the picture faster, and let richard take over, who definately looked like enough of a power-monger to turn in a heartbeat for a shot at even more influence and power. when that failed thanks to alucard, why stick around and help raise integra if he wanted to destroy hellsing? why wait through all that if he was just going to off them anyway? i mean, what was the plan? weaken hellsing, but create a strong enough enemy to warrant the big stompdown on england? revenge on alucard perhaps? but even that would have a big moment of "why all the trouble?". plotline logic escapes me, but it makes a pretty good read even if we don't know why they're playing their little games with each other. 3nodding Walter was Millennium's informant. He had to remain in England and report Hellsing's activities to Millennium, allowing Millennium to ascertain what time would be best for their return. He was also a saboteur, arranging events that Millennium wanted to occur, the most important of these events being Alucard's release. It's also possible that he was instructed to help Integra become a worthy adversary. I doubt that Walter assassinated Arthur (I usually attribute Arthur's death to liver failure from all the drinking he did in his youth), especially considering how old Arthur was when he died (he was at least 50 when Integra was born). Most importantly, Walter wanted to become a vampire. Thus, Walter had to wait for Millennium to return to England before he could reveal his betrayal (otherwise, Millennium's plans would have been ruined and Walter's chance at immortality would have been lost). It is currently unknown why Walter wanted to become a vampire. My theory is that Young Walter, being the arrogant little brat that he was, was afraid of becoming inevitably old and invalid, and thus opted to become eternally young and virile, instead. It also seems that Walter wanted to fight and defeat Alucard (not Seras or Integra). The initial thought behind his scheme remains to be seen. I have a doubt he was told to help Integra grow to who she is now, I think he did that of his own choosing, I think he loved Integra like a daughter and what ever effect he had in her life was completely natural and not related to Millennium. I don't deney he could have been given such an order, and still have probably done it regardless, but it just doesn't seem right. However, there are some moments where Walter seems to have been pushing Integra on, to do things that went with Millenniums plans. =/ but what do I know... Nobody expected Walter to do what he did. In light of that, we have to re-evaluate everything we know about his character. How much of that kindly old man was real, and how much of him was a charade? I think most of his relationship with Integra was real... =/ Even though he'd totally sell her out to Millennium if it got him immortality. We've already known since volume 2 that he's not some kindly old gentleman. I think with our current facts (What we've established since the start of this thread) we should now be looking over and speculating less of the terrible things he is capable of...but more of the things he's not capable of in order to determine his character. What sort of things might those be? ...Why would they have to brainwash him to begin with? Not only to I seriously doubt him capable of attacking the Hellsing members he was closer to (Well, seriously, theres only Seras and Integra O_o ) But I also doubt he'd agree to completely destroying England, eh, wait, the world, to get his immortality. If there was nothing left, what would be the point? I think he likes his country, even if he merely likes to run around and do horrible things there. I also think he was very disgusted (in his own bratty and insulting way) by the Major back in The Dawn... I think his greed outways his disgust for the man, but...if Walter was opperating on his own free will, I think he would just kill everyone in Millennium after getting what he wanted. I'm pretty much leaning more on all the reasons they'd have to brainwash him... If they had too many reasons we can be told that A. Walter was a far worse person then we thought, maybe worse then The Major B. Walter may have been the slightest bit nicer then we give him credit for. (Still the creepy old b*****d, but not too bad...)
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