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hazel843

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:51 am


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HELL YESS!!! I WILL CRY LIKE A FRIGGIN BABY!!!


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:09 pm


Personally, I refuse to believe that he's dead. ^_^


Why it is possible for Snape to still be alive:



1) Harry is not medically trained, and did not take a pulse. He merely observed Snape’s eyes growing blanker, which could have been evidence of a deeper comatose state, not death. Also, Harry didn’t notice any different sort of smell (though this is rather ugly for a children’s book, the release of bowel and bladder is fairly distinct even in a chilly place) or notice the breathing stop. In fact, it was mentioned at the beginning of the book that he didn’t know common healing spells, though one would think a Quidditch team captain really ought to, and he apparently did know some in earlier books. I am surprised Hermione didn’t ram any down Harry’s throat during their long campout, on the very reasonable grounds that she might need help herself at some time. Hermione was also rather lax in not spreading out the dittany, as she did in massive quantities throughout the book, which apparently aids healing of cuts and whatnot. Granted, it may not have worked because of the venom, but I do think it was tacky not to have tried. Someone who has just been almost killed by Voldemort is probably not as villainous as he may seem, and even if he is, might well decide to change sides for revenge.



2) Chill conditions may induce a sort of hypothermia, which we currently know lessens the risk of brain death from infarcts, strokes, and other sorts of problems. Snape may have had a better chance to survive in the colder temperature of the Shrieking Shack than in the castle from his poisoned wound.



3) Did the Malfoys stay where they were put? If you were the Malfoys, would you stay put, if it was possible to escape? Lucius Malfoy undoubtedly knew the whole tale of the Shrieking Shack, and knew how to enter the tunnel successfully. If he and his family wanted to leave Hogwarts unobserved by either side, the tunnel to the Shack puts you in Hogsmeade, outside of school grounds, and leaves you able to Apparate (this clearly doesn’t require a wand, or Montague would never have made it out of the Vanishing Cabinet). Perhaps the reason the Malfoys were able to negotiate a deal with the Ministry is because they were able to reach resources outside of Britain. However, if they reached the Shack, they would have certainly tried to help Snape, or at least remove his body from it.



4) Speaking of which, do notice that everyone who died had their body sorted out in the Great Hall, including Voldemort—except for Snape. Given that many in the Ministry would not be happy until they were certain where Dumbledore’s killer was, I find this odd. Even with Harry vouching for Snape, and swearing the Potions Master was dead, I am surprised nobody made it their duty to fetch the body out and put it where someone in authority thought it belonged.



5) The Headmaster’s portrait. Snape was a duly chosen Headmaster of Hogwarts. I suspect the school has had some extremely interesting Headmasters in its time, and I wouldn’t vouch myself for how much Phineas Nigellus Black knew about the Dark Arts himself. Even Harry would have noticed Snape’s portrait in the Headmaster’s Office in the Triumph Scene, if only to note any sneers or if Snape were simply asleep, the way Dumbledore was soon after he died. As for Rowling’s remarks about desertion, I can only say that Snape was a) avoiding hexing McGonagall and b) fulfilling Dumbledore’s last wishes by trying to help Harry Potter fulfill the plan to destroy Voldemort. Given that his departure allowed the others to overcome the Carrow twins, I find it difficult to believe that the school—which allowed Snape to use the office, unlike Umbridge—would call that ‘desertion’, especially when it became apparent the school itself was allied against Voldemort. Rowling did say a portrait appeared later, theoretically after Harry Potter made some representations, but we are not given a time frame here. The portrait could have showed up 50 years later for all we currently know. Or longer. Harry could have petitioned for Snape’s portrait, been denied, still believed Snape was dead, only to have the portrait show up much later after Snape’s actual passing.



6) Snape himself. He was a Potions Master who had directly observed the effect of Nagini’s bit on Arthur Weasley. Are we to believe someone as rightfully paranoid as him took no precautions against the serpent’s bite and possible injury? Go pull the other one, it’s got bells on it, as Terry Pratchett would say. This is a man who kept Dumbledore alive under far worse circumstances. I can see Snape allowing himself to appear dead. Harry probably wouldn’t have believed the memories otherwise, having already run into some altered ones from Slughorn. Whether he miscalculated or not, we have no way of knowing—but I’m betting that Snape really could stopper death. Remember, the Draught of Living Death was mentioned in the very first book. But if I had been Snape, I would have had my Muggle papers up to date under a different name and a healthy Muggle bank account squirreled away somewhere. To quote from Coneheads, “your name is Donald Sicario, and your Social Security number is…” Now try to tell me there is no market for identity theft in Britain. I dare you. In fact, I suspect a Mr. Fletcher did a thriving business in them for other wizards as well, though Snape probably didn’t trust Dung that much. Hey, would you? Snape was the sort who believed in thorough preparation—one can only imagine what he would have said to the know-it-all for forgetting food in her Purse of Holding, never mind telling all to a portrait known to be under the power of the current Headmaster, Severus Snape. The fact that Harry and Hermione remained safe even after they’d talked rather a lot of Black really should have told them about Snape’s loyalties. It was clear that Snape left the castle as Headmaster at one point for certain, as he left the Sword of Gryffindor in the stream and cast his doe Patronus. If once, why not a few other times, as long as the Carrows were too drunk or asleep to bother the students?



7) No one so far has asked Rowling outright if Snape is dead or not. All of her answers about Snape, as far as I can tell from reading the interviews, would hold even if he survived.


cool He's just too awesome to die.

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hazel843

PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:03 am


I would love it if he survived but he got bitten in the neck by a snake, not a lot of people survive that wizard or not and Harry should know by now if someones dead or not because he's witnessed so much, although he hated Snape so much he would have ignored Snape slightly, so I'll give you that
PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:11 am


Harry didn't even check for a pulse! Besides, Severus says he can put a stopper in death; I wouldn't be surprised if he knew how to save someone from a snakebite.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:43 am


((I cried in the book, I cried at the end of the movie version of Half-Blood Prince, and I'll probably cry again for Deathly Hallows))
PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:11 am


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Harry didn't even check for a pulse! Besides, Severus says he can put a stopper in death; I wouldn't be surprised if he knew how to save someone from a snakebite.


But he was expecting the killing curse not a snake bite. (I cant believe I'm argueing that Snape is dead, I would love it if he was alive)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:27 pm


hazel843
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Harry didn't even check for a pulse! Besides, Severus says he can put a stopper in death; I wouldn't be surprised if he knew how to save someone from a snakebite.


But he was expecting the killing curse not a snake bite. (I cant believe I'm argueing that Snape is dead, I would love it if he was alive)


...come on. It's a snake bite. An elementary problem for a guy like Snape. Although I wouldn't be surprised if he had a few tricks up his sleeve to stop an Avada Kedavra, he knew Lord V had a snake, and he would most likely prepare accordingly.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:47 pm


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hazel843
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Harry didn't even check for a pulse! Besides, Severus says he can put a stopper in death; I wouldn't be surprised if he knew how to save someone from a snakebite.


But he was expecting the killing curse not a snake bite. (I cant believe I'm argueing that Snape is dead, I would love it if he was alive)


...come on. It's a snake bite. An elementary problem for a guy like Snape. Although I wouldn't be surprised if he had a few tricks up his sleeve to stop an Avada Kedavra, he knew Lord V had a snake, and he would most likely prepare accordingly.


I dont know, I mean he was up against Lord Voldemort and that was no ordinary snake, it was his horux (however you spell it) I mean even Dumbledore got killed by a ring in the end (which is a lamer death than Black getting killed by a curtain if you ask me) and he was considered Voldemorts equal. Although of Snape really wanted to he would probably be just as powerful as those two

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:52 pm


hazel843
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hazel843
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Harry didn't even check for a pulse! Besides, Severus says he can put a stopper in death; I wouldn't be surprised if he knew how to save someone from a snakebite.


But he was expecting the killing curse not a snake bite. (I cant believe I'm argueing that Snape is dead, I would love it if he was alive)


...come on. It's a snake bite. An elementary problem for a guy like Snape. Although I wouldn't be surprised if he had a few tricks up his sleeve to stop an Avada Kedavra, he knew Lord V had a snake, and he would most likely prepare accordingly.


I dont know, I mean he was up against Lord Voldemort and that was no ordinary snake, it was his horux (however you spell it) I mean even Dumbledore got killed by a ring in the end (which is a lamer death than Black getting killed by a curtain if you ask me) and he was considered Voldemorts equal. Although of Snape really wanted to he would probably be just as powerful as those two


Mr. Weasley survived the snakebite; of course Snape survived.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:25 am


Well, reguardlesshe still lives on in our hearts,minds,and imaginations.(Not to mention fanart and fanfiction) I kind of think he's dead(Only as far as "Canon" is conccearned) but wouldn't object to him being alive. I actualy thought that he was probably gonna die before even reading the last book. But,I will probably cry,especialy if thety do a good job on his death scene.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:10 pm


((@Snape being alive:

He's dead. Plain and simple.

-Harry spoke of him in the epilogue in the past tense. "A Slytherin he knew." Not knows, knew.

-The snake bite was at the neck and fatal, and we have no idea how much poison Nagini managed to infect him with. By how he was struggling to move, and how he could not even push himself up properly, the dose had to be a much bigger and fatal one than the one Arthur got. Also factor in that Nagini is a magical creature. Her venom may have properties that make her bites harder to counter/heal.

-Hermione might have known it was a lost cause and thus didn't bother too much with the dittany. As cruel as it sounds, there was a battle going on in Hogwarts at the time. Why waste it on someone who you KNOW is a goner, when several others who are guaranteed a shot at life can make use of it?

-The Malfoys were likely following their orders. They'd already pissed off Voldemort enough, and the fact that in the end, Narcissa pretended Harry was dead only when she knew her son was safe showed that they dared not defy his orders until they were in the clear. They probably stayed right where Voldemort told them to.

-Snape was on the floor for several minutes while he was being attacked by Nagini, and because Voldemort was still in the shack. Harry had no opportunity to move until he was gone, and in that time, who knows how far Nagini's venom made it through Snape's system?

-For all we know, at the time the bodies were lined up, someone could have been going to get Snape's.

-JKR said Snape has a portrait in the Headmaster's office. The portrait didn't appear originally because Snape abandoned his term (the Snape-shaped window. XP). Harry made sure he got one, though. These only appear when the Headmaster dies (and I know this because Dumbledore lost office twice in the series, but got no portrait until after Snape killed him).

-On Snape being a Potions Master: remember that he could barely move when he got to Harry. Even if he did have the antidote, he was too weak to use it. Also, notice that instead of say, having Harry pull out the antidote he may or may not have had on his person, instead (and this is my biggest piece of proof that he's dead):

-He gave Harry his memories. He fought hard to not let anyone know of his love for Lily. If he knew he was going to live, why would he allow Harry to have those memories, the ones that were the most personal to him and the most cherished? Snape knew there was no way he was going to make it. The memories, while holding his love for Lily, also showed his true allegiance and helped Harry to defeat Voldemort. If he didn't know he was a goner, he wouldn't have forfeited them. It can also be argued by the fact that the memories are escaping is a sign that a wizard is dying/dead.))
PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:53 pm


Hooray for long posts about whether a fictional character is dead?

/doesn't know which side she's on/

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:40 pm


Even if Snivellus is dead to Rowling, he isn't dead to me heart
And when he is 'killed' in the movie, I'm gonna save all my tears for his memories. They'd better do them right, or the s**t's gonna hit the fan.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:02 pm


I simply refuse to believe he's dead.
For me, he will always live on.

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