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 Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:39 pm
Umaeril You believe this because of your religion? How so? It's not that it is tied with religion 100%.... but i had a very complicated thing happen to me on the day of my bat-mitzvah and what he said to me after it: I got into a car accident on the day of my bat-mitzvah... which wasn't too bad... i had to spend a mere 3 hours in the hospital due to excessive bruises and suffering from major trauma. I went to my bat-mitzvah services an hour late; not the end of the world. Before my actual services i went into my rabbi's office to tell him what happened and here is what he told me, "It is good luck for you to suffer pain of some sort before you transition into adulthood. Some people wish of such a destiny at the end of their childhood and before their adulthood. That signifies that you are well prepared to be an adult and it's truly time for you to take that big step. Just remember, even though it was a painful end... G-d sent you his own push through this painful event; before your adulthood. It was your destiny, according to him; for you to experience trauma to a high extent, before your true transition. It happened for a reason and everything from this point forth; you will know that everything happens for a reason and every small bad thing that happens; is a message from G-d to you... he makes your destiny and you just need to cope with it... whatever it may be that he throws at you." - Rabbi Bob
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:05 pm
Bosch Parano Umaeril Bosch Parano I do but in an odd way... *waves.* Hi everyone Bosch 'ere most of you know me from Anime, Games, TVs, Webcomics, and that one thing we won't speak of again that I needed money and did... Power Rangers... I believe destiny is a multi choice kinda thing its all preset but how you choose to play ends with diffrent out comes... I for one choose to scratch my butt in public... Good action or awesome photo shot... Bla'h bla'h bla'h And that is how we can save the world from our money issues... *taps papers on a desk top and wanders off.* Hi Bosch! Nice to see you. ^_^ Are you talking about a multiverse with different "fated" endings? So you have free will which ending to choose? That is a different and interesting concept. Uuum... Yeah sure why not lets go with that Uma... ninja I am sure there are some systems of thought that do. XD
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:24 pm
entervixen Umaeril entervixen Something I've learned from reading tarot cards for so many years is that there is always a choice; it may not be a good one, or a desirable one, but it is always there. And the reason things like tarot cards can predict a person's path is that while we do have the ability to choose, people rarely veer from their path (whatever it may be). Because people rarely change, it means we can "predict" the path they are most likely to take if current circumstances are evaluated and future trends taken in account. Of course, there is no 100% to anything. So I guess I believe in a mix of the two; "free will" as the ability to choose your own path, and "destiny" as the path you are most likely to take. Ok I probably have to read this one again, it is dense with ideas. But let me start off by saying that if you can read people then you can do tarot. Which ties in to what you are saying, people tend to go the path of least resistance just like everything else. But destiny is fate so I am thinking you don't quite believe it is all writ in stone? Every once in a while you get an oddball like me who has to do everything the hard way. But basically yes. I believe in destiny in the sense that outcomes for people are predictable because people don't like to change. But nothing is set in stone, free will being what it is, and so nothing will be right all the time. I understand how you are viewing your definition of destiny. People do seem to fall into predictable outcomes, don't they. But can you say for certain that this is because of their own nature? Or is it the social and economic forces around them? A combination maybe? Would they, under different circumstances have a different destiny? And if so, what does that mean? Does that mean that if all humans were in an optimal environment that outcomes would not be predictable and therefore destiny would be quite mutable?
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:15 pm
Umaeril Bosch Parano Umaeril Bosch Parano I do but in an odd way... *waves.* Hi everyone Bosch 'ere most of you know me from Anime, Games, TVs, Webcomics, and that one thing we won't speak of again that I needed money and did... Power Rangers... I believe destiny is a multi choice kinda thing its all preset but how you choose to play ends with diffrent out comes... I for one choose to scratch my butt in public... Good action or awesome photo shot... Bla'h bla'h bla'h And that is how we can save the world from our money issues... *taps papers on a desk top and wanders off.* Hi Bosch! Nice to see you. ^_^ Are you talking about a multiverse with different "fated" endings? So you have free will which ending to choose? That is a different and interesting concept. Uuum... Yeah sure why not lets go with that Uma... ninja I am sure there are some systems of thought that do. XD Fine Uma, but lets hope this Slide is the one that gets us home. *Pushes a button on a remote opens a wormhole and leaves.*
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:07 am
Yikes Bosch! Wormholes? How would you ever find the right one? xd
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:03 am
Umaeril Yikes Bosch! Wormholes? How would you ever find the right one? xd After like I dunno how meny seasons I believe Sliders ended without one... And it was a good show... Like Firefly that just ended too soon. crying
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:35 pm
Umaeril entervixen Umaeril entervixen Something I've learned from reading tarot cards for so many years is that there is always a choice; it may not be a good one, or a desirable one, but it is always there. And the reason things like tarot cards can predict a person's path is that while we do have the ability to choose, people rarely veer from their path (whatever it may be). Because people rarely change, it means we can "predict" the path they are most likely to take if current circumstances are evaluated and future trends taken in account. Of course, there is no 100% to anything. So I guess I believe in a mix of the two; "free will" as the ability to choose your own path, and "destiny" as the path you are most likely to take. Ok I probably have to read this one again, it is dense with ideas. But let me start off by saying that if you can read people then you can do tarot. Which ties in to what you are saying, people tend to go the path of least resistance just like everything else. But destiny is fate so I am thinking you don't quite believe it is all writ in stone? Every once in a while you get an oddball like me who has to do everything the hard way. But basically yes. I believe in destiny in the sense that outcomes for people are predictable because people don't like to change. But nothing is set in stone, free will being what it is, and so nothing will be right all the time. I understand how you are viewing your definition of destiny. People do seem to fall into predictable outcomes, don't they. But can you say for certain that this is because of their own nature? Or is it the social and economic forces around them? A combination maybe? Would they, under different circumstances have a different destiny? And if so, what does that mean? Does that mean that if all humans were in an optimal environment that outcomes would not be predictable and therefore destiny would be quite mutable? I took some time to think over my response, as those are very good questions you asked. I think it's more or less equal parts nature and outside influences that make people so easy to predict. I do believe that given a different set of circumstances would produce a different destiny, but it would also help make them into a different person seeing as how we are part nature and part nurture (at least I believe we are). Though I think that even in an optimal environment people would still be predictable because most of the time they will still want to take the easier choice. Optimal environments still do not mean that there is not a choice to be made; rather, that you would have to choose between two or more things that are more or less equally good, versus two or more things that may or may not be good choices.
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:24 pm
Bosch Parano Umaeril Yikes Bosch! Wormholes? How would you ever find the right one? xd After like I dunno how meny seasons I believe Sliders ended without one... And it was a good show... Like Firefly that just ended too soon. crying Yeah, that was too bad about Firefly. That was a really good show. ^_^ But off topic. lol
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:33 pm
entervixen Umaeril entervixen Umaeril entervixen Something I've learned from reading tarot cards for so many years is that there is always a choice; it may not be a good one, or a desirable one, but it is always there. And the reason things like tarot cards can predict a person's path is that while we do have the ability to choose, people rarely veer from their path (whatever it may be). Because people rarely change, it means we can "predict" the path they are most likely to take if current circumstances are evaluated and future trends taken in account. Of course, there is no 100% to anything. So I guess I believe in a mix of the two; "free will" as the ability to choose your own path, and "destiny" as the path you are most likely to take. Ok I probably have to read this one again, it is dense with ideas. But let me start off by saying that if you can read people then you can do tarot. Which ties in to what you are saying, people tend to go the path of least resistance just like everything else. But destiny is fate so I am thinking you don't quite believe it is all writ in stone? Every once in a while you get an oddball like me who has to do everything the hard way. But basically yes. I believe in destiny in the sense that outcomes for people are predictable because people don't like to change. But nothing is set in stone, free will being what it is, and so nothing will be right all the time. I understand how you are viewing your definition of destiny. People do seem to fall into predictable outcomes, don't they. But can you say for certain that this is because of their own nature? Or is it the social and economic forces around them? A combination maybe? Would they, under different circumstances have a different destiny? And if so, what does that mean? Does that mean that if all humans were in an optimal environment that outcomes would not be predictable and therefore destiny would be quite mutable? I took some time to think over my response, as those are very good questions you asked. I think it's more or less equal parts nature and outside influences that make people so easy to predict. I do believe that given a different set of circumstances would produce a different destiny, but it would also help make them into a different person seeing as how we are part nature and part nurture (at least I believe we are). Though I think that even in an optimal environment people would still be predictable because most of the time they will still want to take the easier choice. Optimal environments still do not mean that there is not a choice to be made; rather, that you would have to choose between two or more things that are more or less equally good, versus two or more things that may or may not be good choices. I guess (and I grant you this is a bit slippery for me since I have not thought about it before) that the optimal environment though, in my opinion, would be one where people were raised to make the humanist choice, not the easiest choice. But I also think that maybe what I am saying is not that relevant. ^_^ Maybe it is not helping to make my point so I will rethink what I want to say.
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:26 pm
Umaeril Bosch Parano Umaeril Yikes Bosch! Wormholes? How would you ever find the right one? xd After like I dunno how meny seasons I believe Sliders ended without one... And it was a good show... Like Firefly that just ended too soon. crying Yeah, that was too bad about Firefly. That was a really good show. ^_^ But off topic. lol Agreed, but my point is I do believe in the muti-verse idea like Sliders where alittle choice difference can have a different outcome through out the whole picture of a world. Yes I'm aware my idea seems flawed but at the same time... How would we have evolved with a t-rex chasing after us, or if the world was flooded, and more. And the choice is to live through these events or lay down and die for those who read and don't understand my posts.
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:52 am
Oops I missed Zora's post, I will get to it tonight. Same with yours Bosch, I have to reflect on it.
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:00 am
does it truly matter what i think?
i take my own path and let the cards fall where they may.... twisted
if my destiny is preordained, then kill me now, i believe in free choice and i stand by it.
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:27 pm
Oh, wow.. Interesting! I love this topic and must say I thing my view is different from all of you here. (Oh, btw, I'm baaack! Hope you guys still remember meee! heart )
--OKAY, HUGE TEXT COMING! --
Okay, so, according to my "religion" (it is not only that, is a philosophy really) you have your free will, which is granted by God but YOU choose what you will deal with in this life, your present incarnation.
All things, good or bad. Especially bad. By that I mean the biggest things on your life like, you will lose a limb in an accident, or you will lose all your money in a bad investment. Maybe you will be the one to make a big science discovery that will free the world from AIDS... The reason you chose the bad things is usually to repair mistakes made in some past life or, more important, to PREVENT from making new mistakes. How so? True story here. A mom went to see the most well-known medium in Brazil, Chico Xavier, with her son, who already had mental problem, was born without his arms and now the doctors say they have to amputate one of his legs and he'll have to stay in a wheelchair forever. Chico was really touched by this when his spiritual guide, Emmanuel, who was beside him explained: this young man, in a past life took his on life and then was born with mental problem (as a reaction of the suicide - a shot on the head)and HE chose, while still disincarnated to come without arms, so he wouldnt be able to take his life again. But what happens is, God gives us the gift of not remembering past lives (or else we wouldnt have our free will) and when incarnated again, he forgot his promises and only wanted to cease that existence and free his soul of that deformed body and limited mind so he was planing on killing himself again by jumping off a building! That commitment he made of not escaping was what caused the need for amputation as he wanted to finish this existence the natural way.
Not sure if I'm making myself clear, as usual.. lol
Oh, and the free will, you ask? Almost anything can be change by our acts.. Another example: a young, wealthy man was to lose everything by his choice later in life to learn to be humble and not let the mundane passions fool him.. When the moment came, he kept it all. Why? Because he took his wealth and adopted three kids, was using his money to help each and everyone he could and his factory was generating income to lots of people. He, while incarnated, learned that you take nothing form this world and the true treasures you have is the virtues you own and all the good you make to others.
So pretty much, your understanding of what is important may cause you to avoid bad things... But if bad things do come your way remember that most possibly YOU chose that to test yourself, to better yourself smile
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Kay, so: You brought upon yourself all the good and bad, either to learn, to improve yourself or to repair something you have done, but not as a punishment (God would never punish, he's all love! heart ) but as a way to repair, to bring balance, to experience what you put other through. EVERY ACTION HAS A REACTION. The more we know, more severe is the consequence.
If you wanna know more about the doctrine, search Spiritism or Allan Kardec!
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 5:22 pm
Do you believe in "sin" Marie?
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