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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:09 pm
Captain Pookie Bear Chieftain Twilight the problems i have stem more from general disrespect or ignorance. when people get a meaningless Mod for the hell of it. confused i'm sick of "gangstas", post-punks of any kind (especially emos), and ayone else who is a rebel-without-a-cause. if you don't have purpose, or your just superficial, you lose alot of my respect. the point of Body Mods is Personal Decoration, for whatever personal reasons you have. when you do it without having some forethough it takes the importance out of it. that's just silly. it's like saying someone shouldn't buy a designer gown just because they like how it looks on them, but instead they must appreciate the inspiration behind the designer's collection.
& isn't liking the way a body mod makes you look a personal reason?o_O; how in HELL is that how you interpret what i said? o_O; if you like it cause you like it, that IS your personal reason. it would be nice to appreciate the designer's touches, yeh, but that isn't any nessesity i think people need to have.
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:27 pm
Chieftain Twilight o_O; how in HELL is that how you interpret what i said? o_O; if you like it cause you like it, that IS your personal reason. it would be nice to appreciate the designer's touches, yeh, but that isn't any nessesity i think people need to have. Chieftain Twilight when people get a meaningless Mod for the hell of it. confused i'm sick of "gangstas", post-punks of any kind (especially emos), and ayone else who is a rebel-without-a-cause. if you don't have purpose, or your just superficial, you lose alot of my respect. the point of Body Mods is Personal Decoration, for whatever personal reasons you have. when you do it without having some forethough it takes the importance out of it. you're basically saying that if someone shouldn't get a body mod just because they want one & think it's cool. you imply that there should be some deeper meaning behind everyone's mod.
you're the one who said that getting a body mod because of a superficial reason takes the importance out of it. not every mod has some deep, profound meaning and/or purpose & it's silly to think they should.
& if that's not what you're trying to say, do you mind rephrasing what it is that irritates you?
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:09 pm
Captain Pookie Bear Chieftain Twilight o_O; how in HELL is that how you interpret what i said? o_O; if you like it cause you like it, that IS your personal reason. it would be nice to appreciate the designer's touches, yeh, but that isn't any nessesity i think people need to have. Chieftain Twilight when people get a meaningless Mod for the hell of it. confused i'm sick of "gangstas", post-punks of any kind (especially emos), and ayone else who is a rebel-without-a-cause. if you don't have purpose, or your just superficial, you lose alot of my respect. the point of Body Mods is Personal Decoration, for whatever personal reasons you have. when you do it without having some forethough it takes the importance out of it. you're basically saying that if someone shouldn't get a body mod just because they want one & think it's cool. you imply that there should be some deeper meaning behind everyone's mod.
you're the one who said that getting a body mod because of a superficial reason takes the importance out of it. not every mod has some deep, profound meaning and/or purpose & it's silly to think they should.
& if that's not what you're trying to say, do you mind rephrasing what it is that irritates you?the difference is that Body Mods are meant to be permanant, they are sacred, their like a Marriage. when you get one, it's meant to last forever. but same as marriage, that is taken for granted in these days. people will get them without taking th time to be sure it's the one they want, then when they change their mind they go through the requisite process to undo it, or else are left to regret it for teh rest of their lives. clothing (like that dress you mentioned) can be put on and taken off. it isn't permanant. see, there is nothing wrong with a person getting atattoo because they lik ethe way it looks, but that doesn't automatically mean superficial. superficial means to appeal to the majority of those around you, rather than appeal to yourself. when you get a tattoo it should be something that you do for you, and it shouldn't be done all willy-nilly. i'm not saying it needs some deep spiritual meaning behind it, some bodily decoration is a.o.k. but to get a tattoo of something cause it's in fashion is stupid and regrettable. hey, it's there choice, but it definately says something about that person, and it bothers me. confused i won't tell something that they can't do it, it's their right. but doesn't mean i have to agree with it or like it.
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:24 pm
Ladyffej Jagger-Wolf In this context, using the word "gauging" IS wrong. It is a word, yes, but to use it in this situation isn't the right way to use it. It means "to measure" so to say you're gauging your ears means "I am measuring my ears", which isn't what you're doing. You're STRETCHING them to accommodate larger sizes. Gauge is also a unit of measurement, so again, to say you're gauging your ears could also mean "I'm inching my ears", which is just grammatically incorrect. Used in a phrase like "I gauged the distance of the ravine before I jumped over it" IS correct, because you measured the distance before. Or "You're mana gauge is getting low, you should drink a mana potion" is also a correct way of using it, since it refers to a unit of measurement, or a way to measure something. You have gauges in the dashboard of your car, not in your ears. Its not just the word that is the problem, I think some people think it's okay because they think that since you are putting a 16 Gauge taper in their ears that it's okay to call the hole in there ear a gauge because they are "gauging up". They need to realize that they are just going to the next SIZE!!! the Gauge of your ear hole is the Size of your ear hole. so I think some less educated people are just getting it confused for the term that Stretching is supposed to imply. The problem isn't the term it's the fact that there are people out there who have the knowledge but just don't really care! It is better to do what Jagger is doing and explain that it's not the right term. Chieftain Twilight, By saying that you don't care is to say you don't really give a s**t if people are educated about something you like. Knowledge is power and we should be passing it on not sitting there with our thumbs up our a** cause we "don't really care". and YOU can shut the ******** up and stop putting words in my mouth. evil i didn't SAY i don't care, i was sharing my point of view on the matter in the hopes of better understanding her argument by provoking a debate on etymology. i CARE very much! grr... =_= i'll be honest, i just plain don't lik eyou. the first words you said to me were one's of insult and hostility, assuming s**t about me that was simply not correct. i don't like bitches, and i can bite right back honey.
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:28 pm
Jagger-Wolf In this context, using the word "gauging" IS wrong. It is a word, yes, but to use it in this situation isn't the right way to use it. It means "to measure" so to say you're gauging your ears means "I am measuring my ears", which isn't what you're doing. You're STRETCHING them to accommodate larger sizes. Gauge is also a unit of measurement, so again, to say you're gauging your ears could also mean "I'm inching my ears", which is just grammatically incorrect. Used in a phrase like "I gauged the distance of the ravine before I jumped over it" IS correct, because you measured the distance before. Or "You're mana gauge is getting low, you should drink a mana potion" is also a correct way of using it, since it refers to a unit of measurement, or a way to measure something. You have gauges in the dashboard of your car, not in your ears. Words do change their meaning over time, but this isn't one of them. It's the wrong word for the context. Tall, in most contexts, has always meant "tall", as in someone or something of greater than average height. So if tall once meant "handsome" then the phrase "tall, dark and handsome" is a bit repetitive, don't you think? I understand you are here to learn, and you should be doing that. One thing to learn right now is that the term "gauging" is the wrong word to use when talking about stretching ears. Admittedly, most of us used it before we knew better. But now that we DO know better, and now that YOU know better, why continue to use the wrong terminology? i was in fact aware of the measurement terminology for Gauge, but i have also seen it described in the dictionary as a type of Body Mod. i do think that you take the definition of Grammar Nazi to a whole new level, but i don't mean that in offense. xd clearly it is just that you seem very Linguistically Conservative, which definately helps for the integrity of Language, if stifling the Flexibility or Progressiveness of it, pardon the Political terms. though when i said that Tall used to mean Handsome, i meant that it was before we expanded the meaning of Handsome. it was also before that very quote "Tall, Dark and Handsome" came about. Tall at one point did NOT refer to hight, it was merely used as a Compliment to express how Regal or Dignified someone was.
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:37 am
I'm completly with you on the "gauge" thing. I really drives me crazy when people use "gauging" instead of "streatching". I saw a few days ago a video on youtube, a professional piercer (or at least that's what he called him self) saying "gauged ears". It really pissed me of. Wat kind of professional call it "gauge"?
I really dislike those big piercings too. Just use the right jewelry size D<
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:39 am
Chieftain Twilight the difference is that Body Mods are meant to be permanant, they are sacred, their like a Marriage. when you get one, it's meant to last forever. but same as marriage, that is taken for granted in these days. people will get them without taking th time to be sure it's the one they want, then when they change their mind they go through the requisite process to undo it, or else are left to regret it for teh rest of their lives. clothing (like that dress you mentioned) can be put on and taken off. it isn't permanant. see, there is nothing wrong with a person getting atattoo because they lik ethe way it looks, but that doesn't automatically mean superficial. superficial means to appeal to the majority of those around you, rather than appeal to yourself. when you get a tattoo it should be something that you do for you, and it shouldn't be done all willy-nilly. i'm not saying it needs some deep spiritual meaning behind it, some bodily decoration is a.o.k. but to get a tattoo of something cause it's in fashion is stupid and regrettable. although i think your marriage analogy is a bad one because, like most matters of the heart, i think that the real meaning & requirements & all that are really subjective, i agree than many people get tattoos without consideration for the future. however, not all body mods are meant to be permanent. piercings can be taken out & depending on the piercing, can heal back.
& i don't think you're clear on the definition of superficial, but i won't argue semantics with you. & i agree with you on the tattoos. it is usually regrettable to get a tattoo on a whim & you are entitled to think it is a bad choice. however, you said mods in general. do you think its just as bad to get a piercing on a whim?
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:57 pm
Chieftain Twilight Ladyffej Jagger-Wolf In this context, using the word "gauging" IS wrong. It is a word, yes, but to use it in this situation isn't the right way to use it. It means "to measure" so to say you're gauging your ears means "I am measuring my ears", which isn't what you're doing. You're STRETCHING them to accommodate larger sizes. Gauge is also a unit of measurement, so again, to say you're gauging your ears could also mean "I'm inching my ears", which is just grammatically incorrect. Used in a phrase like "I gauged the distance of the ravine before I jumped over it" IS correct, because you measured the distance before. Or "You're mana gauge is getting low, you should drink a mana potion" is also a correct way of using it, since it refers to a unit of measurement, or a way to measure something. You have gauges in the dashboard of your car, not in your ears. Its not just the word that is the problem, I think some people think it's okay because they think that since you are putting a 16 Gauge taper in their ears that it's okay to call the hole in there ear a gauge because they are "gauging up". They need to realize that they are just going to the next SIZE!!! the Gauge of your ear hole is the Size of your ear hole. so I think some less educated people are just getting it confused for the term that Stretching is supposed to imply. The problem isn't the term it's the fact that there are people out there who have the knowledge but just don't really care! It is better to do what Jagger is doing and explain that it's not the right term. Chieftain Twilight, By saying that you don't care is to say you don't really give a s**t if people are educated about something you like. Knowledge is power and we should be passing it on not sitting there with our thumbs up our a** cause we "don't really care". and YOU can shut the ******** up and stop putting words in my mouth. evil i didn't SAY i don't care, i was sharing my point of view on the matter in the hopes of better understanding her argument by provoking a debate on etymology. i CARE very much! grr... =_= i'll be honest, i just plain don't lik eyou. the first words you said to me were one's of insult and hostility, assuming s**t about me that was simply not correct. i don't like bitches, and i can bite right back honey. Wow, First of all I am NOT your Honey! I wasn't trying to be hostile I was just stating my opinion for the record. In my comment I wrote WE not just you, I was explaining that "those who have the Knowledge" as in WE need to share it. Second the only one in here who is being hostile is you, Every body mod thread you post you are being as contrary as possible. It has given, not just me but many people, the feeling that you are trying to provoke us into fights. Thirdly I never assumed anything about you I read every post you and her wrote on the subject and you very clearly pointed out the fact that you don't care if people use the wrong terminology. If I hurt your feelings I didn't mean to, but I am not sorry for what I said.
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:17 pm
Captain Pookie Bear Chieftain Twilight the difference is that Body Mods are meant to be permanant, they are sacred, their like a Marriage. when you get one, it's meant to last forever. but same as marriage, that is taken for granted in these days. people will get them without taking th time to be sure it's the one they want, then when they change their mind they go through the requisite process to undo it, or else are left to regret it for teh rest of their lives. clothing (like that dress you mentioned) can be put on and taken off. it isn't permanant. see, there is nothing wrong with a person getting atattoo because they lik ethe way it looks, but that doesn't automatically mean superficial. superficial means to appeal to the majority of those around you, rather than appeal to yourself. when you get a tattoo it should be something that you do for you, and it shouldn't be done all willy-nilly. i'm not saying it needs some deep spiritual meaning behind it, some bodily decoration is a.o.k. but to get a tattoo of something cause it's in fashion is stupid and regrettable. although i think your marriage analogy is a bad one because, like most matters of the heart, i think that the real meaning & requirements & all that are really subjective, i agree than many people get tattoos without consideration for the future. however, not all body mods are meant to be permanent. piercings can be taken out & depending on the piercing, can heal back.
& i don't think you're clear on the definition of superficial, but i won't argue semantics with you. & i agree with you on the tattoos. it is usually regrettable to get a tattoo on a whim & you are entitled to think it is a bad choice. however, you said mods in general. do you think its just as bad to get a piercing on a whim? i do. as you said, they can e taken out and allowed to heal... but why would you do that without a good reason? it's not only a waste of money, but also impractical. same as a marriage. you theoretically can get a divorce, but if you do it should be for a good reason, not just some minor problem. and if you get married in a rush and realize that you arn't meant for eachother, well, there's a divorce process to go through, or else regret to live with. and either way, it's shameful. and hah! xd marriage isn't nessesarilly a matter of Heart. in america it is legally supposed to be so, but come on... people have always and still do marry out of conviencience. it isn't hard to fake it.
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:19 pm
Ladyffej Chieftain Twilight Ladyffej Jagger-Wolf In this context, using the word "gauging" IS wrong. It is a word, yes, but to use it in this situation isn't the right way to use it. It means "to measure" so to say you're gauging your ears means "I am measuring my ears", which isn't what you're doing. You're STRETCHING them to accommodate larger sizes. Gauge is also a unit of measurement, so again, to say you're gauging your ears could also mean "I'm inching my ears", which is just grammatically incorrect. Used in a phrase like "I gauged the distance of the ravine before I jumped over it" IS correct, because you measured the distance before. Or "You're mana gauge is getting low, you should drink a mana potion" is also a correct way of using it, since it refers to a unit of measurement, or a way to measure something. You have gauges in the dashboard of your car, not in your ears. Its not just the word that is the problem, I think some people think it's okay because they think that since you are putting a 16 Gauge taper in their ears that it's okay to call the hole in there ear a gauge because they are "gauging up". They need to realize that they are just going to the next SIZE!!! the Gauge of your ear hole is the Size of your ear hole. so I think some less educated people are just getting it confused for the term that Stretching is supposed to imply. The problem isn't the term it's the fact that there are people out there who have the knowledge but just don't really care! It is better to do what Jagger is doing and explain that it's not the right term. Chieftain Twilight, By saying that you don't care is to say you don't really give a s**t if people are educated about something you like. Knowledge is power and we should be passing it on not sitting there with our thumbs up our a** cause we "don't really care". and YOU can shut the ******** up and stop putting words in my mouth. evil i didn't SAY i don't care, i was sharing my point of view on the matter in the hopes of better understanding her argument by provoking a debate on etymology. i CARE very much! grr... =_= i'll be honest, i just plain don't lik eyou. the first words you said to me were one's of insult and hostility, assuming s**t about me that was simply not correct. i don't like bitches, and i can bite right back honey. Wow, First of all I am NOT your Honey! I wasn't trying to be hostile I was just stating my opinion for the record. In my comment I wrote WE not just you, I was explaining that "those who have the Knowledge" as in WE need to share it. Second the only one in here who is being hostile is you, Every body mod thread you post you are being as contrary as possible. It has given, not just me but many people, the feeling that you are trying to provoke us into fights. Thirdly I never assumed anything about you I read every post you and her wrote on the subject and you very clearly pointed out the fact that you don't care if people use the wrong terminology. If I hurt your feelings I didn't mean to, but I am not sorry for what I said. i only said that i don't feel it is "wrong." i don't think that using slang is a wrong or bad thing. =_= grr.... hmph.. since i'm getting the impression that just something about you is bugging me greatly, i'll avoid any more issues and potential fights by just avoiding you. i hope you can accept that that is my only solution to this hostility between us.
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:29 pm
Chieftain Twilight hmph.. since i'm getting the impression that just something about you is bugging me greatly, i'll avoid any more issues and potential fights by just avoiding you. i hope you can accept that that is my only solution to this hostility between us. I am not trying to be hostile, you are misunderstanding my intentions completely. I don't care If you ignore me. But please understand that it is not the only solution. I believe that if you wanted to you could try to understand me, and there for the bad feelings you have about me would go away.
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:32 pm
Ladyffej Chieftain Twilight hmph.. since i'm getting the impression that just something about you is bugging me greatly, i'll avoid any more issues and potential fights by just avoiding you. i hope you can accept that that is my only solution to this hostility between us. I am not trying to be hostile, you are misunderstanding my intentions completely. I don't care If you ignore me. But please understand that it is not the only solution. I believe that if you wanted to you could try to understand me, and there for the bad feelings you have about me would go away. :bows.: not ignore, just force myself not to talk to you too much. only when i am certian that i can hold my temper. i don't want to let myself get out of control.
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:18 pm
Chieftain Twilight i do. as you said, they can e taken out and allowed to heal... but why would you do that without a good reason? it's not only a waste of money, but also impractical. same as a marriage. you theoretically can get a divorce, but if you do it should be for a good reason, not just some minor problem. and if you get married in a rush and realize that you arn't meant for eachother, well, there's a divorce process to go through, or else regret to live with. and either way, it's shameful. and hah! xd marriage isn't nessesarilly a matter of Heart. in america it is legally supposed to be so, but come on... people have always and still do marry out of conviencience. it isn't hard to fake it. one would take out a piercing because they no longer want it for whatever reason. it's as much of a waste of money as upgrading technology is. i don't think it's all that impractical or costly.
& i don't believe that a divorce is always shameful. that's subjective. it depends on the parties involved. & i still think marriage is a bad analogy because all the traditions & stigmas & meanings surrounding it are subjective.
& if you think most people marry for connivence, there must not be much shame in living with the regret.
but i'm not going to discuss marriage as a legal institution because then i will go on a tirade about the flaws in the system here in the states & why it's ridiculous that same-sex marriage is not legal across the board.
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:36 am
Captain Pookie Bear Chieftain Twilight i do. as you said, they can e taken out and allowed to heal... but why would you do that without a good reason? it's not only a waste of money, but also impractical. same as a marriage. you theoretically can get a divorce, but if you do it should be for a good reason, not just some minor problem. and if you get married in a rush and realize that you arn't meant for eachother, well, there's a divorce process to go through, or else regret to live with. and either way, it's shameful. and hah! xd marriage isn't nessesarilly a matter of Heart. in america it is legally supposed to be so, but come on... people have always and still do marry out of conviencience. it isn't hard to fake it. one would take out a piercing because they no longer want it for whatever reason. it's as much of a waste of money as upgrading technology is. i don't think it's all that impractical or costly.
& i don't believe that a divorce is always shameful. that's subjective. it depends on the parties involved. & i still think marriage is a bad analogy because all the traditions & stigmas & meanings surrounding it are subjective.
& if you think most people marry for connivence, there must not be much shame in living with the regret.
but i'm not going to discuss marriage as a legal institution because then i will go on a tirade about the flaws in the system here in the states & why it's ridiculous that same-sex marriage is not legal across the board.yeh, we could go on an on about that, i know i for one hate that same-sex marriages arn't allowed here in america. iii-_- anywho, i stand by what i said. i even think that upgrading technology just cause there's something better seems to be wasteful too. if what you have has been working for you, why trade it out? no need to get extra fancy stuff you don't realy need. but meh, maybe i'm just a stubborn old-soul, like everyone says. i never was too keen on technology... >.> i still don't understand all that electromechanical mumbo jumbo, still don't have a driver's liscence, and can't figure out what the difference between a motor and an engine is (there is a difference, right?). but as for the subjectivity, isn't everything Subjective? i can't think of anything i believe to be Objective.
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:03 am
Body mods are a purely selfish thing. You get them solely because you want to and you like them. They are probably one of the most selfish things out there, at least as far as "fashion" is concerned. We all need clothes, for warmth and protection as well as because society says so, so if we're required to wear it, why not make it beautiful? That's the fun of clothes.
Body mods are a whole different beast. They are PURELY selfish. They are not necessary to survival or social rules, they are just there because the wearer wants them. Even memorial tattoos, that everyone says "I got for this person who died", are selfish. Funerals and memorial services, of any and all kinds, are for the living's benefit, not the dead's. Body mods are the same way. They are gotten JUST because the wearer wants them, and no other reason.
This is why piercings are great. If you get one and decide you don't like it, you can take it out, let it heal, then get something new. Of course you want to get something you're pretty sure you'll like, because you're right, why waste time money and pain on something you're just going to take out anyway? But if you see something you like better and want that piercing instead, is it so bad to take out an old one and get the new? I don't see the problem.
Not every tattoo or piercing needs a deep meaning. Sometimes, especially when tattoos are concerned, someone just wants to be a walking canvas. Sure, the tattoo itself might mean something, like the various meanings and symbolism behind flowers, but outside of that, does it need a deep, profound meaning? I personally think the shorter the story behind a tattoo, the more genuine it is. If there's a huge, long, involved story behind it it makes me think the wearer is making it up to try and cover up some mistake or misunderstanding.
My sleeve is this way. Outside of each element's meaning (the lanterns, the gate, the cherry blossoms and Hell Girl), I just wanted it because I thought it would make a beautiful sleeve project. Plain and simple. If I tried to explain it like "There 8 lanterns in total. The letter in the alphabet that correspond to the letter H, representing Heaven and Hell." And went on and on about that and the rest of the elements, it would just be too much and no one cares. Each element has a one or two sentence explanation of what it means, and that's it.
And what more profound meaning behind a body mod do you need besides "I think it makes me more beautiful, don't you think?" So long as your piercings and tattoos are well executed, and healthy and clean, I have to agree.
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