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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:03 pm
Thinking about it now, aren't we all not american? We're a country of exiles coming together to make this country one of freedom. None of us are pureblood americans, we all have a little bit of foreign blood in us. The mentality though, may be one of a stereotypical american.
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:40 pm
I'm not in any way American except for the fact that I am a legal citizen. I was not born in America, I have no relatives who were born in America, I am 99.999999999999(repeating)% western European. The other 0.(ridiculously large quantities of zeros)1% is the tiny bit of African ancestry that all humans share. On to another point, I will now quote one of the most inspirational men (in my opinion) that has ever lived today and his thoughts on the American economy, John Oliver. "I don't understand economics. I don't fundamentally get how it works. I've lived for 30 years on this planet, two elsewhere, and I still don't understand how the system works. To me, economics is like the dutch language-- I'm told it makes sense, but I seriously have my doubts. But I want to understand economics. I feel like I have to. So I bought this book recently which is designed to explain economics to someone who does not have the capacity to understand it. And I learnt a key lesson in it, and that is that any nation's economic strength is solely in the hands of its citizens. In your ability to consume. Or if you want to be really great, in your ability to buy --. That is why america is the greatest economy on earth-- because you people cannot be beaten. As a citizen of the world, let me tell you, it is intimidating. I have been to your malls. They are cathedrals to bull--. I was at a mall in connecticut and I saw an item in a shop window which stopped me dead in my tracks. And I mean that. I was moving, I saw this item and all of a sudden I wasn't moving anymore. It was, and I promise you this is true, an inflatable barbecue.You're right. We should take a moment together to let the gravity of that sink in-- an inflatable barbecue. It was a full functioning barbecue with inflatable material around the outside of it so that you, like the man on the front of the box, could cook while swimming. Is there any greater example of what it is to live in the freest nation on earth than that? I don't think so. I don't think so. There's all this concern at the moment-- will china emerge as an economic force and take over the planet? We can decide that together now. Could china make an inflatable barbecue? Yeah. I don't think there's any doubt about that. They could do it and they could do it cheaply. Could china sell an inflatable barbecue? Again, I don't sense any real resistance to that as a concept. My question to you is this-- could the people of china, for themselves, purchase inflatable barbecues? There is no -- way. They don't have what it takes. When push comes to shove, they don't have it there. That's not racist. In many ways, it's a compliment. And if you are still unconvinced, allow me to present you with exhibit b-- the oreo pizza. You might look at the oreo pizza and think, "that is a reprehensible " I put it to you that that is the single most patriotic item I have ever seen in my life! Hoist that up a flagpole! Get children to swear allegiance to that in the morning! Have that fluttering in the moonlight at yankee stadium as a single tear spills down derek jeter's cheek. Because that is the biggest imaginable "-- you" you could possibly issue to terrorists. By hoisting the oreo pizza up a flagpole what you're essentially saying is, "there is nothing you can do to us we are not already. You got here too late. I'm sorry, you were not " as consumers, we are still supposed to have the power, though."
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chancellor cherryclaw Vice Captain
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Kleopatra Selene Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:29 pm
@Lykie: First of all: when did I ever mention your views of sexuality? Second of all: Unfortunately, my gun is in the shop, so I can't use it anytime I get pissed. Besides, I'm sure they don't allow lawyers to take them into court cases because they might shoot the opponent or an arguing judge, and that's just wrong. Third of all: yes, that is how it goes, because you have made your views on sexuality PERFECTLY CLEAR, yet I never said I was not patriotic. I'm proud of this country, and I'm proud to live in it. I'm sure I'd enjoy living in Britain or France or elsewhere, but I'm okay with living here. I don't hate it here. The economy sucks and all, but that's fine. Just because we have our problems, doesn't mean other countries don't. And you're treating me like I said something wrong. I stated an opinion when I first posted on this topic, and now I'm still defending it. Fourth of all: I'm kind of surprised by it. And, finally, fifth of all: I'm ending this conversation officially (unless I want to start it again, but I will choose when I want to TALK).
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:13 pm
I'm glad that you clarifed that you're patriotic. I'd hate to think that you were living in a country that you...well, hated.
And about the sexuality thing, I was merely using an example. Basically, when you break it down, I'm saying that I don't think it's fair that you can question me but I can't question you.
By the way, now that you've made your views on your patriotism PERFECTLY CLEAR, does that mean I can question you?
And lastly, is that how you do it in court? Does the judge end the case when only one of the opponents have spoken? Just curious. Let me know. =]
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Lykaios of the Shadows Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:07 pm
WAIT WAIT WAIT!!!!! You guys need to stop fighting!!! No need for debate!
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:09 pm
That's why I posted this forum. I wanted to know how Americans feel about this but, to my dismay, no one here is pure American. And honestly, I believed some of you may have been. That doesn't mean I think you're stupid. No no no. You have all proved to me that you are capable of matching wits with the smarter countries. Now after some research, I have realized that my original statement was a bit off. The truth will now come forth: I did some searching and studying, and I have found that the average national IQ of the US is just that. Average. The average american IQ is a 95 on the Stanford-Binet test. I'm sorry if I offended you Americans, most of my accusations were based on all the ridiculous (and sometimes hilarious) SNAFUs that your country keeps getting itself into. And most of that is self-inflicted. You Americans are screwing yourself with your own flagpole!
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chancellor cherryclaw Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:26 pm
Can I just say I really don't give a ******** about politics because I'm a stupid 16 year old boy who has better things to do than waste my time thinking about being patriotic? 'Cause I kinda just did.
Oh, and I'm fully aware that I'm stupid. And talentless, and American. Born and raised here, by two working class tax payers, from a long line of middle class people of varying cultures, a long with some more well off people. And frankly? I'm proud to be a mixture of Native American, Irish, Canadian, French, Hispanic, British, German, and who knows what else. I'm proud to know that my future holds only disappointment and failure, that I'll grow up in a poor place with nothing, no matter where I live. I'm damn proud to be another ******** up stupid American with no future. [/serious post] Sorry about the swearing, by the way. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:13 am
Why do you apologize for swearing? It's just words, and it's one of the ways I vent so I'm perfectly fine with people swearing their mouths off. So ******** you all with great big handfuls of rusty nuts and bolts you bastards! See? Just words, no actual harm done.
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chancellor cherryclaw Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:59 am
Force of habit, I suppose. I dunno.
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:06 pm
I agree perfectly with Staritessence. No more fighting. But, just to clear it up, that is not how it goes. You debated with me in the beginning, I defended, you debated back, I ended. We've had equal shares, I think. We've defended our statements. And I don't care if your views on sexuality were just an example. You mentioned it, I leaped on it. That's how lawyers work. Yes, I've seen too many episodes of Law and Order: SVU. By the way, my views on America are not questionable. Sometimes I'd rather live in Paris for the glamour, and the view of the Eiffel Tower, but for now I'm perfectly okay with living in an average American town. America has its sights. Its history. My patriotic views are certainly questionable. You could question anything. You could question my patriotism or you could question that I have a brain, and on both counts you would be considered an idiot for questioning it. So, you could question my patriotism, but it would do you no good. Judge: Has the jury found a verdict? Jury 1: We have, Your Honor. Jury 2: We, the jury, find the defendant innocent on all charges. Kleopatra Selene is free to go and will do no time. Kleopatra Selene: Next time, I'll chop him up properly! And there won't be anything to build a case on!
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Kleopatra Selene Vice Captain
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