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 Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:51 pm
Sadobitch You can also have the low price of the item benefit spell work. Say, you get a statue from the dollar store. Get your ritual supplies together. Have the glass or whatever it's made of statue represent someone you dislike. Have the value of the statue represent their worth as a person. Perform a ritual of destruction and add complexities as needed. 1 dollar and pre-existing ritual tools and you have a very effective degrading ritual of destruction with just a little bit of decision and focus. Now that is an idea I really like. In this case I would definitely see the value in using cheap or low cost items. The real power would come from the emotion here as there is no inert energy within the statues. Is this something you have done or is it purely an example you came up with for discussion? I can also see this as being used as a way to break oneself away from Christian influences if that is an issue they struggle with given how many of the statues I see in the local dollar store being Christian in some view. I have a collection of fairy statues I've bought over the years from dollar stores.
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:54 pm
Sadobitch Iron repels Fae. It's also really fricking cheap when oil burners are made out of iron.... Saw some at the dollar store once. Got three. Now here, I admit I wish they were of better quality. But, having them around keeps the Fae away. Or helps at least. 3 fae wards, 3 dollars. Add in a bit of charging the item and the power of intent and decision. There ya go Do you have issues with the Fae? I've never had any issues with the Fae. Granted I work with other fairy type creatures like dryads and nymphs but not the Fae. I also thought that the Fae were kind of bound to Ireland?
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:09 pm
Sadobitch To clarify, shop smart and cheap. smile I felt like what I had originally said was twisted around some and the breaking up of the post annoyed me. I felt the urge to specify some ways how magic can be done for super cheap. I apologize if you feel like I attacked you for using dollarstore supplies. That was never my intent. I was sharing my experience with the herbs and other products I have used from a dollarstore. I have found that cooking supplies like spatulas and the like from the dollarstore don't last as long so I end up buying them more often. Hence my points about quality of the products. I have used tools and props purchased from them and I will use them in the future. I can't beat the price of construction paper and drawing materials from the dollarstore. I'll get into my use of those materials later on in the post. Needless to say some supplies from there have been incredibly successful and others have been only moderately successful in their use (the herbs for example). I am thankful for a few of these ideas. One of them I don't think we agree on the term for but I like the style, and I provided another rather inexpensive option for a similar concept. I should point out that most of my spells use very simple and inexpensive materials. A piece of paper, colored pencils/pens/markers, some cheap wrapping paper type ribbons, maybe a lighter, and I have a spell. Others may use candles or more expensive items. This was a style I came up with when I was living in a group home and couldn't really have what I wanted for supplies. I improvised. I knew paper could be used to draw my desires. I knew I could use colored pencils or pens to relate to the intent of my spell. Ribbon of various colors would represent other aspects of the spell. Then I would either burn it or carry it with me, or sometimes rip the paper up and toss it in the trash. It all depended on what the actual intent behind the spell was. Sadobitch Truthfully, some things will cost money, and some things won't. Indeed. The other piece of advice I'd add to that is if you can make it yourself do so. Sadobitch But, the value you personally place on an item will have more power than any dollar amount in my opinion. Are you talking about the intents here or other value?
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:20 pm
Loona Wynd I would prefer to buy supplies from people I know. I have in the past with specific kitchen witch stuff and a magical perfume. Like you said helping run or even work at events in the local community gets you in tight with vendors. Its one of the reasons I also knew I would have support once I got my store going. People in the local community know me or at least have seen me around at enough events. Sometimes vendors are even willing to work out deals with employees or volunteers at events. Aye, that's the great thing about the pagan community, for the most part people help each other out smile Loona Wynd I just posted Herbco on the list. Right now its where I get most of my bulk herbs that I use in my tinctures and incenses that I sell. Prior to that I bought them mostly from a local store that would special order herbs if they didn't carry it or have it in stock. Someday I hope to basically grow the majority of the herbs I use. Some of them I know will always be sourced to other places. If its not something I can grow I'll buy it when that day comes. For now I buy them in bulk all dried. That works for me though as I can instantly start working with them dried. I'll give Herbco a look. Aye, that makes sense. Loona Wynd So I'm guessing its not sea salt in the incense burner but iodized salt? No idea, it's labeled up as table salt, and it tastes like it's sodium chloride, but purified and lacking the dept of taste with grown sea salt. If that makes any sense. Loona Wynd Which I consider you very luck to have. I may see about making a bulk buy deal with a local gem/crystal store in the area if they will sell my other products. Get them to provide me with crystals and I'll provide them with herbal products to sell. Its a boon for both parties. I'll be dealing with that tomorrow actually. Sounds like that could work. Best of luck with that. Loona Wynd Lol. The local metaphysical store has had a great selection of books in the past. I do constantly check out the use book stores in the area, but they dont always have good finds or even books in the best of conditions. I'm warry of buying used books on Amazon now after one book said it was in excellent condition but all of the beautiful artwork was colored in by a 3 year old in marker in most places (it was a Cunningham book so you know the art was beautiful). I buy from Amazon not the third party sellers, when I get a problem like that I send it back on the grounds it as missold, a book missing pages or covered in marker pen is not excellent condition. I've managed to get a number of refunds on those grounds. Loona Wynd Never thought to look there. Though I'm probably going to go through Herbco as again I'll be needing bulk amounts when I actively start working with essential oils. I should probably get a few bottles of essential oils for myself to work with and explore working with prior to producing products with them.... Cool smile Loona Wynd Yankee Candles! Gotta love them for some things. There are plenty of those stores around here. I think I know what to gift you sometime lol. I'm happy to see Yankee Candles enjoyed across the pond. Its a New England treasured company <3 I love the salted caramel one they've released for the autumn season, and I miss the burning embers one they did in the radiance range last year, I love that one so much as it does smell like the burning embers from a wood fire. so hard to get Vetivert to work as a scented candle Loona Wynd Thats actually what I am going to start doing. There are plenty of rivers in Maine that I can use for actual spring water. This is my preference for cutting the alcohol content in my tinctures. In ritual I typically use rain water or what ever water I have on hand. Well they are there and the water is free so to speak biggrin Loona Wynd Nice. My ritual blades were made by a regional company that does stage and real combat ready swords. They are real blacksmiths in that regards. I can actually use my ritual blades as weapons if I ever had the need to do so. Do I really want to? No, but it is an option. I have three different sizes. One for Dragons, one for primary ritual, and one for my ancestral work. My main blade set me back £150 it has a bog oak hilt, the blade is damascus steel, hand forged and finished with silver detailing to hold the blade and hilt together. The waned cost me £120 it's rosewood with a quartz point the size of my thumb with amethyst and turquoise cabochons set into the wood. Mead horn cost me £40 and came from a highland cow in Scotland, and that's just the prices I remember. Loona Wynd That I understand which is why I mentioned having a budget when working with specialty stores. Go in with an idea of what you want or need get that. If there is a bit extra then have fun. Oh aye biggrin
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:36 pm
Loona Wynd I also thought that the Fae were kind of bound to Ireland? The Sidhe are bound to Ireland. Fey/Fae these days tends to mean the fair folk and denizens of Faery. At least that is what my experiences have told me. If you want more on Irish Folklore I'll poke my partner and see what he has to say on the matter, yes he's Irish, well half Irish half Scottish.
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:41 pm
Vox_Draconis Loona Wynd I also thought that the Fae were kind of bound to Ireland? The Sidhe are bound to Ireland. Fey/Fae these days tends to mean the fair folk and denizens of Faery. At least that is what my experiences have told me. If you want more on Irish Folklore I'll poke my partner and see what he has to say on the matter, yes he's Irish, well half Irish half Scottish. I'd love more information. With what you said it makes me wonder if Dryads and Nymphs would be considered fae. I consider them fairyish and related to fairies. Though I believe them to be a different race. I work with both Dryads and Nymphs. I have seen fae to be elemental type spirits as well.
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:46 pm
Loona Wynd Vox_Draconis Loona Wynd I also thought that the Fae were kind of bound to Ireland? The Sidhe are bound to Ireland. Fey/Fae these days tends to mean the fair folk and denizens of Faery. At least that is what my experiences have told me. If you want more on Irish Folklore I'll poke my partner and see what he has to say on the matter, yes he's Irish, well half Irish half Scottish. I'd love more information. With what you said it makes me wonder if Dryads and Nymphs would be considered fae. I consider them fairyish and related to fairies. Though I believe them to be a different race. I work with both Dryads and Nymphs. I have seen fae to be elemental type spirits as well. I'll see if I can pull him away from the PS3 long enough to write something for the guild. Personally I would consider Dryads to be of the fae as they are otherwordly in a sense but not faeries, if that makes any sense.
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:39 pm
Vox_Draconis Aye, that's the great thing about the pagan community, for the most part people help each other out smile Indeed. I know I have found people that run their own stores on facebook and etsy that have supported me and have said that they will probably buy something from me at some point in time. We should support each other. Even if we all sold the same types of items, none of us would have the same product. My tinctures are both incense and perfume as well as anointing styled items. I try to make my products multi purpose. I'm looking into exactly what line of products I want to launch next at the next Pagan pride event. As for you buying something from my store there is no pressure. I know you have a tight budget and that it does cost to have things imported. I did set the shop up so that I can sell to those in the United Kingdom as I know a few other people over in that area that might buy from me if only once as a show of support. Remember its bulk so its in 1/4 pounds or higher amounts. Might be good if you and a few people want to pitch in and buy a bunch of herbs and split the bags. Using dried? Vox_Draconis No idea, it's labeled up as table salt, and it tastes like it's sodium chloride, but purified and lacking the dept of taste with grown sea salt. If that makes any sense. Yeah. here that would be iodized salt. Most of the table salt in the US is iodized. There is some non-ioidzed salt. Vox_Draconis Sounds like that could work. Best of luck with that. Thanks. yeah. i do a lot of business with her any ways. So I'm pretty sure I can get her to sell some of my products. Vox_Draconis I buy from Amazon not the third party sellers, when I get a problem like that I send it back on the grounds it as missold, a book missing pages or covered in marker pen is not excellent condition. I've managed to get a number of refunds on those grounds. I was also kinda mentally ill at the time. But still yeah. I may just jump in head first sort of like I did with the tinctures. Not sure yet. The tincture recipes were based on incense recipes I had used in the past. Vox_Draconis I love the salted caramel one they've released for the autumn season, and I miss the burning embers one they did in the radiance range last year, I love that one so much as it does smell like the burning embers from a wood fire. so hard to get Vetivert to work as a scented candle Glad you like them. I want to get into candle making at some point soon. I know there is a large bit of competition out there, however my goal is to be basically a general store of magical and ritual supplies. I have two product lines already incenses and tinctures. I'll be adding a third soon. Vox_Draconis Well they are there and the water is free so to speak biggrin Yes it is. I like fresh spring water. I used Poland Spring Bottled water last time. It brought the content down from 10% alcohol to 70% alcohol. Vox_Draconis My main blade set me back £150 it has a bog oak hilt, the blade is damascus steel, hand forged and finished with silver detailing to hold the blade and hilt together. The waned cost me £120 it's rosewood with a quartz point the size of my thumb with amethyst and turquoise cabochons set into the wood. Mead horn cost me £40 and came from a highland cow in Scotland, and that's just the prices I remember. Wow. Nice. I have a sword & the three different sized daggers. I have two wands that I made as well as a Staff and a Stang. I had a feather at one point. I'm actually thinking about developing a set of elemental directional tools for my practice again. A different tool for invoking each element. There are many different things I buy at the store. Lately that store has seen an awesome increase in Dragon statues available. That was one sign I needed to get back to Dragon work....
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:12 pm
Loona Wynd Indeed. I know I have found people that run their own stores on facebook and etsy that have supported me and have said that they will probably buy something from me at some point in time. We should support each other. Even if we all sold the same types of items, none of us would have the same product. My tinctures are both incense and perfume as well as anointing styled items. I try to make my products multi purpose. I'm looking into exactly what line of products I want to launch next at the next Pagan pride event. As for you buying something from my store there is no pressure. I know you have a tight budget and that it does cost to have things imported. I did set the shop up so that I can sell to those in the United Kingdom as I know a few other people over in that area that might buy from me if only once as a show of support. Awesome, well when I can budget for it I'll pick something up. Loona Wynd Remember its bulk so its in 1/4 pounds or higher amounts. Might be good if you and a few people want to pitch in and buy a bunch of herbs and split the bags. That's what I was thinking, I'm sure I know a few people that would split the order. The bulk buy until you can grow enough of your own. Loona Wynd Yeah. here that would be iodized salt. Most of the table salt in the US is iodized. There is some non-ioidzed salt. Ah right. Loona Wynd Thanks. yeah. i do a lot of business with her any ways. So I'm pretty sure I can get her to sell some of my products. Nice Loona Wynd I was also kinda mentally ill at the time. But still yeah. Fair enough Loona Wynd I may just jump in head first sort of like I did with the tinctures. Not sure yet. The tincture recipes were based on incense recipes I had used in the past. Well it worked before so why not? Loona Wynd Glad you like them. I want to get into candle making at some point soon. I know there is a large bit of competition out there, however my goal is to be basically a general store of magical and ritual supplies. I have two product lines already incenses and tinctures. I'll be adding a third soon. Beeswax holds essential oils very well if you want to go with natural scents. Very few people make beeswax floating candles so that might be a niche for you. Loona Wynd Yes it is. I like fresh spring water. I used Poland Spring Bottled water last time. It brought the content down from 10% alcohol to 70% alcohol. don't you mean the other way round or did you mean 10% to 7% and I'm not familiar with any water brands that are sold outside of the UK, I take it Poland Spring is a good one. Loona Wynd Wow. Nice. I have a sword & the three different sized daggers. I have two wands that I made as well as a Staff and a Stang. I had a feather at one point. I'm actually thinking about developing a set of elemental directional tools for my practice again. A different tool for invoking each element. I have a staff too, but it's a work in progress, the dragon that I had made out of polymer clay for it got shattered the last time I took the staff out. The poor dragon needs mending. If I was to count how many blades my partner and I have I would probably scare a lot of people... Heathens have a habit of collecting sharp pointy pretty shiny objects...Every heathen I know has a blade collection, I'm no exception. Loona Wynd There are many different things I buy at the store. Lately that store has seen an awesome increase in Dragon statues available. That was one sign I needed to get back to Dragon work.... You can never have too many dragons......
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:51 pm
Ok, so, I totally skimmed since I hate broken up replies. Deal with it. Other than that. I have a really hard time getting along with the Fae in my experience. And... I'm in Utah. so I have a hard time buying into them being bound to a specific location. There was a misunderstanding and...
I'm happy to let it go. Time to smoke hookah. I stink from working all day. Peace.
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:44 pm
Sadobitch Ok, so, I totally skimmed since I hate broken up replies. Deal with it. Other than that. I have a really hard time getting along with the Fae in my experience. And... I'm in Utah. so I have a hard time buying into them being bound to a specific location. There was a misunderstanding and... I'm happy to let it go. Time to smoke hookah. I stink from working all day. Peace. Any way do you remember any of the sites you got your PDF's from?
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:12 pm
Loona Wynd Sadobitch Ok, so, I totally skimmed since I hate broken up replies. Deal with it. Other than that. I have a really hard time getting along with the Fae in my experience. And... I'm in Utah. so I have a hard time buying into them being bound to a specific location. There was a misunderstanding and... I'm happy to let it go. Time to smoke hookah. I stink from working all day. Peace. Any way do you remember any of the sites you got your PDF's from? Google.com. smile Just depends on what you choose to search for. pirate pirate pirate
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:23 pm
Sadobitch Google.com. smile Just depends on what you choose to search for. pirate pirate pirate So you didn't bookmark any of the sites you got books from? Do you realize that some of the books found that way could be pirated? I know I have found out the hard way that some of the books on darkbooks are pirated, at least according to one source.
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:31 pm
Loona Wynd Sadobitch Google.com. smile Just depends on what you choose to search for. pirate pirate pirate So you didn't bookmark any of the sites you got books from? Do you realize that some of the books found that way could be pirated? I know I have found out the hard way that some of the books on darkbooks are pirated, at least according to one source. Then thank you for the link! hahaha xD Frankly, the law can... Go away. twisted
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Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:30 pm
Sadobitch Then thank you for the link! hahaha xD Frankly, the law can... Go away. twisted That is part of the reason for this thread. To link places for books (e-book, PDF, or physical), supplies, jewlerey, and other things. There are sooo many places and options that it can get overwhelming when a person searches for them, If you can think of a site you've used for book sources let me know. As for you're statement with the law, i think that if a book has passed into the time where it can be considered public Domain (anything 1800s or earlier is an easy bet) I don't consider it pirated material. More recent than that..... I think information should be publicly available, but I also think that authors should get paid for their books. Basically if the original Copywrite law is still in effect or continually renewed by some party its possibly pirated. If however its already available elsewhere online for free while having copywrite intact than its not pirated,
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