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 Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:22 am
Darkeenya x_Devils_Child_x This is what I do when I ride horses who like to walk off while I'm mounting...
Its simple, but it does take time...
If she's trying to walk off as you’re trying to put your foot in the stirrup - you’re at a loss. It would be best to circle her, ask her to cross her hind legs and direct the motion where you want, instead of where she wants. When she finally stops moving, praise her, let her stand and try again.
Keep repeating till she finally wants to stand still and not circle anymore. It's best to change the direction of the circle on her too. Direct the energy in different directions.
It will take time.
Before I add the next bit, I must say it's important for her to know to back up and off pressure by picking up on the reins with one or both hands and clucking. I'd make sure she knows it, if not teach it from the ground.
Next, Keep a hold on the reins, with contact. That is important. Then, when you can put your foot in the stirrup, before you swing your leg over. Stay there with the weight in the stirrup for just a second, if she goes to walk off at this point, pick up on the reins and cluck - asking her to back up. Again, not allowing her to walk forward, allow her to stop and stand and wait another moment. She should back off of the pressure, and when she does - release and stop asking as long as she doesn't try to walk forward.
You may have to repeat, and if she stands still - praise her, pat her. Then you can swing your leg over. When you do, make her stand for another moment. If she wants to walk off right away, back her up to where she was standing. If she keeps trying, keep asking her to back up.
If she stands for a moment, praise her and ask her to walk forward.
I do this all the time, I wait before I swing my leg over, and I wait before I ask them to walk.
It will take time, it will take patients. Good luck, and keep us updated on how it goes. I haven’t read everyone’s responses... I used this way on my friends Warmblood, Arabs I rode over the years (Especially Eagle.) and couple QH's. It does work really well, and now my horses stand and wait while I do something like adjust my stirrups.
But I must add... for the one-rein-stop to be done correctly, its not just turning the head around. You need your leg in there to push the hind quarters around - in order for it to be done properly. If you have a run away horse and just turn their head around, their not going to stop. You need the leg - direct the hind quarters and the head will fallow. That is a proper one-rein-stop.
However, I do like horseluvrelisha's idea as well. I think that would work too, now I havn't read eveyones responses... but different things work for different horses.
Also, I have to disagree with the one-rein stop thing. Proper or not, you can stop a horse by bringing one rein over far to the side. I'm living proof of that, because about a week ago Joy bolted, and that's what I did to stop her. Also, on-ground you can do a modified one-rein stop, and it still works. And there's no leg on ground. smile
The backing up idea sounds interesting though, I think I might try that. I'd probably have to take the clucking out though, that's her cue to move forward. I could just instead say "back", since that's her cue. It would be the same principle either way, I think. question
I've always been taught to add the leg to push the hind end over, because if its just the rein they can run through it. You can have a horses head turned all the way around and they can run through it. Riley is one of those living proof horses. Riley, if you don't add the leg to bring the hind end around, he'll drop his shoulder and keep on going, no matter how much you bend his head around.
Same with many horses I've had to use the one-rein-stop with. You probably can, but if they want to keep on going it'll be no good because it won't stop them. I was taught that you need both.
Lol I think its one of those things that will always have an open discussion and people have different views on.
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:27 pm
Meh, I personally disagree with keeping contact on the reins while you're mounting; as I said, I taught Dream to stand still with just a halter, in an enclosed space, with no rope or reins at ALL. I think that the horse needs to know that it's supposed to stand still INDEFINITELY until you tell it to move -- whether you're holding the reins or not.
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:08 pm
x_Devils_Child_x Darkeenya x_Devils_Child_x This is what I do when I ride horses who like to walk off while I'm mounting...
Its simple, but it does take time...
If she's trying to walk off as you’re trying to put your foot in the stirrup - you’re at a loss. It would be best to circle her, ask her to cross her hind legs and direct the motion where you want, instead of where she wants. When she finally stops moving, praise her, let her stand and try again.
Keep repeating till she finally wants to stand still and not circle anymore. It's best to change the direction of the circle on her too. Direct the energy in different directions.
It will take time.
Before I add the next bit, I must say it's important for her to know to back up and off pressure by picking up on the reins with one or both hands and clucking. I'd make sure she knows it, if not teach it from the ground.
Next, Keep a hold on the reins, with contact. That is important. Then, when you can put your foot in the stirrup, before you swing your leg over. Stay there with the weight in the stirrup for just a second, if she goes to walk off at this point, pick up on the reins and cluck - asking her to back up. Again, not allowing her to walk forward, allow her to stop and stand and wait another moment. She should back off of the pressure, and when she does - release and stop asking as long as she doesn't try to walk forward.
You may have to repeat, and if she stands still - praise her, pat her. Then you can swing your leg over. When you do, make her stand for another moment. If she wants to walk off right away, back her up to where she was standing. If she keeps trying, keep asking her to back up.
If she stands for a moment, praise her and ask her to walk forward.
I do this all the time, I wait before I swing my leg over, and I wait before I ask them to walk.
It will take time, it will take patients. Good luck, and keep us updated on how it goes. I haven’t read everyone’s responses... I used this way on my friends Warmblood, Arabs I rode over the years (Especially Eagle.) and couple QH's. It does work really well, and now my horses stand and wait while I do something like adjust my stirrups.
But I must add... for the one-rein-stop to be done correctly, its not just turning the head around. You need your leg in there to push the hind quarters around - in order for it to be done properly. If you have a run away horse and just turn their head around, their not going to stop. You need the leg - direct the hind quarters and the head will fallow. That is a proper one-rein-stop.
However, I do like horseluvrelisha's idea as well. I think that would work too, now I havn't read eveyones responses... but different things work for different horses.
Also, I have to disagree with the one-rein stop thing. Proper or not, you can stop a horse by bringing one rein over far to the side. I'm living proof of that, because about a week ago Joy bolted, and that's what I did to stop her. Also, on-ground you can do a modified one-rein stop, and it still works. And there's no leg on ground. smile
The backing up idea sounds interesting though, I think I might try that. I'd probably have to take the clucking out though, that's her cue to move forward. I could just instead say "back", since that's her cue. It would be the same principle either way, I think. question
I've always been taught to add the leg to push the hind end over, because if its just the rein they can run through it. You can have a horses head turned all the way around and they can run through it. Riley is one of those living proof horses. Riley, if you don't add the leg to bring the hind end around, he'll drop his shoulder and keep on going, no matter how much you bend his head around.
Same with many horses I've had to use the one-rein-stop with. You probably can, but if they want to keep on going it'll be no good because it won't stop them. I was taught that you need both.
Lol I think its one of those things that will always have an open discussion and people have different views on.
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:55 pm
DevilsChild -- Ooohmygoodness, the one-reined stop thing... "direct the hind quarters and the head will follow" -- that's the exact point I [and another member, can't remember who] have been trying to make on the Western Riding subforum. I eventually just got tired of arguing it, but I agree completely. *nod nod* That's why I personally keep rein cues secondary to leg cues. Because the hindquarters don't have to follow the head, but the head DOES have to follow the hindquarters.
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:25 am
horseluvrelisha DevilsChild -- Ooohmygoodness, the one-reined stop thing... "direct the hind quarters and the head will follow" -- that's the exact point I [and another member, can't remember who] have been trying to make on the Western Riding subforum. I eventually just got tired of arguing it, but I agree completely. *nod nod* That's why I personally keep rein cues secondary to leg cues. Because the hindquarters don't have to follow the head, but the head DOES have to follow the hindquarters.
I always find it funny how horse people call the horse's rear end the 'hindquarters'. It's like we want a better name for 'butt'.
I mean, if you replaced every time you said 'hindquarters' with 'butt', it would sound so funny. xd
'Because the butt don't have to follow the head, but the head does have to follow the butt!'
rofl
I'm easily amused. emo
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:56 pm
Don't you have Joy drop-rein trained? It just came to my attention, and I was going to say to use the general same concept. One way I'd do it is to carefully and slowly use a lounging (did I spell it right this time? Damn my Western-ness... I'm getting tired of using the word "round-pen" because people assume I run the crap out of the horse in circles) whip to direct her to stay still as you mount. If you have her trained for the rope-around-the-neck concept (I personally strongly disagree with a rope around the neck, but here it's useful...) just give it a tug when she moves.
Also what you can do is what I've been doing with Tasha, and give her some tollerance training. Right now I'm training a young horse to stand still as I RUN up to her, stomp my feet, jump at her, etc, etc (she IS going to be a trick horse, but STILL) brush things around her legs... and teaching her to stand stone still with any of these. Right now I can stand her beside a mounting block, run at her, and LAUNCH onto her back. xD it's great.
I'd suggest tollerance training, sort of like bomb-proofing (= sacking out?) but not so much working with a fear factor as much as a natural "I'm going to move away from fast moving objects" factor. xD I don't know.
It's like the thing kids do when they're little... the little thing where they twirl a finger in front of their friend's face and say "lollypop, lollypop, lollypop - POP!" and jab their finger forwards. If their friend blinks it's all "HAHA YOU BLINNNNNKED!!!!" or "HAHA YOU SCARED, YOU FLIIINNNCHED!" and so you learn not to flinch or blink when there's a fast-moving finger coming towards you and as a result loose a frigging eyes. It happens, OKAY?!
Okay, so not the best example, but same concept XDDDD
Tollerance training, that was the entire point of this ramble. It goes a long ways in everything, even moving away when you saddle. And... hmmmmm... what else... if you're REALLY excited to see her and you run up like "OMG MY BABY!" and give her a hug. xD
Sorry, that might not have made sense. My ear just ripped and so I'm on an adrenalin rush because of the lack of feeling in my ear, so I can't keep one track thoughts, tell me if you're confused, kay?
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:51 pm
x.Marsh[mel]low.x Don't you have Joy drop-rein trained? It just came to my attention, and I was going to say to use the general same concept. One way I'd do it is to carefully and slowly use a lounging (did I spell it right this time? Damn my Western-ness... I'm getting tired of using the word "round-pen" because people assume I run the crap out of the horse in circles) whip to direct her to stay still as you mount. If you have her trained for the rope-around-the-neck concept (I personally strongly disagree with a rope around the neck, but here it's useful...) just give it a tug when she moves.
Also what you can do is what I've been doing with Tasha, and give her some tollerance training. Right now I'm training a young horse to stand still as I RUN up to her, stomp my feet, jump at her, etc, etc (she IS going to be a trick horse, but STILL) brush things around her legs... and teaching her to stand stone still with any of these. Right now I can stand her beside a mounting block, run at her, and LAUNCH onto her back. xD it's great.
I'd suggest tollerance training, sort of like bomb-proofing (= sacking out?) but not so much working with a fear factor as much as a natural "I'm going to move away from fast moving objects" factor. xD I don't know.
It's like the thing kids do when they're little... the little thing where they twirl a finger in front of their friend's face and say "lollypop, lollypop, lollypop - POP!" and jab their finger forwards. If their friend blinks it's all "HAHA YOU BLINNNNNKED!!!!" or "HAHA YOU SCARED, YOU FLIIINNNCHED!" and so you learn not to flinch or blink when there's a fast-moving finger coming towards you and as a result loose a frigging eyes. It happens, OKAY?!
Okay, so not the best example, but same concept XDDDD
Tollerance training, that was the entire point of this ramble. It goes a long ways in everything, even moving away when you saddle. And... hmmmmm... what else... if you're REALLY excited to see her and you run up like "OMG MY BABY!" and give her a hug. xD
Sorry, that might not have made sense. My ear just ripped and so I'm on an adrenalin rush because of the lack of feeling in my ear, so I can't keep one track thoughts, tell me if you're confused, kay? umm wow.... I love the amounts of topics you touched in that post lol.... on another hand...what did you do to your ear gonk
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:57 pm
AHA I said it ripped rofl
Ahem, sorry. One of my earrings caught on that bratty pony's mane and the pony shied at something. I was like "ah, crap!" and made sure all my earrings were still in and then continued on until Mike pointed out that I was bleeding EVERYWHERE. And I didn't notice because my right ear has absolutly NO feeling in it. (That is also an awkward story... NO SELF-PEIRCING XD)
So I checked it out, and turns out she almost tore my earring RIGHT OUT of my ear. But I put it back where it belongs, fixed my ear up, and it's all good now XD
but the adrenaline is because my receptive nerves in my ear are dead, so there's an adrenaline rush from the "pain" but no pain to respond to. So instead, I just get the adrenaline and no pain to balance it out, and HOMG it makes me extremely hyper x_X
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:18 pm
x.Marsh[mel]low.x AHA I said it ripped rofl
Ahem, sorry. One of my earrings caught on that bratty pony's mane and the pony shied at something. I was like "ah, crap!" and made sure all my earrings were still in and then continued on until Mike pointed out that I was bleeding EVERYWHERE. And I didn't notice because my right ear has absolutly NO feeling in it. (That is also an awkward story... NO SELF-PEIRCING XD)
So I checked it out, and turns out she almost tore my earring RIGHT OUT of my ear. But I put it back where it belongs, fixed my ear up, and it's all good now XD
but the adrenaline is because my receptive nerves in my ear are dead, so there's an adrenaline rush from the "pain" but no pain to respond to. So instead, I just get the adrenaline and no pain to balance it out, and HOMG it makes me extremely hyper x_X Wow... first your ear now your hand... the only BIG thing that happened to me was having a horse stomp onto my back..... passed out in the field wit 30 horses gonk luckily I wzas able to come out of it pretty quickly and then my parents drove me to E.R....... Now i have a permantly dented 6th rib xd
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:24 am
My peircings are a detriment when working with horses :shrug:.
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:09 am
Mel is crazy sweatdrop
I need to learn all these types of reining.. it seems so plentiful x_x;; And Melllll... -bandages your head- There your ear will heal :3
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:52 am
[.Horse[Des]perate.] x.Marsh[mel]low.x AHA I said it ripped rofl
Ahem, sorry. One of my earrings caught on that bratty pony's mane and the pony shied at something. I was like "ah, crap!" and made sure all my earrings were still in and then continued on until Mike pointed out that I was bleeding EVERYWHERE. And I didn't notice because my right ear has absolutly NO feeling in it. (That is also an awkward story... NO SELF-PEIRCING XD)
So I checked it out, and turns out she almost tore my earring RIGHT OUT of my ear. But I put it back where it belongs, fixed my ear up, and it's all good now XD
but the adrenaline is because my receptive nerves in my ear are dead, so there's an adrenaline rush from the "pain" but no pain to respond to. So instead, I just get the adrenaline and no pain to balance it out, and HOMG it makes me extremely hyper x_X Wow... first your ear now your hand... the only BIG thing that happened to me was having a horse stomp onto my back..... passed out in the field wit 30 horses gonk luckily I wzas able to come out of it pretty quickly and then my parents drove me to E.R....... Now i have a permantly dented 6th rib xd
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:50 pm
Darkeenya [.Horse[Des]perate.] x.Marsh[mel]low.x AHA I said it ripped rofl
Ahem, sorry. One of my earrings caught on that bratty pony's mane and the pony shied at something. I was like "ah, crap!" and made sure all my earrings were still in and then continued on until Mike pointed out that I was bleeding EVERYWHERE. And I didn't notice because my right ear has absolutly NO feeling in it. (That is also an awkward story... NO SELF-PEIRCING XD)
So I checked it out, and turns out she almost tore my earring RIGHT OUT of my ear. But I put it back where it belongs, fixed my ear up, and it's all good now XD
but the adrenaline is because my receptive nerves in my ear are dead, so there's an adrenaline rush from the "pain" but no pain to respond to. So instead, I just get the adrenaline and no pain to balance it out, and HOMG it makes me extremely hyper x_X Wow... first your ear now your hand... the only BIG thing that happened to me was having a horse stomp onto my back..... passed out in the field wit 30 horses gonk luckily I wzas able to come out of it pretty quickly and then my parents drove me to E.R....... Now i have a permantly dented 6th rib xd haha, Ace is 1/4 Belgian and one day I was stepping between him and another draft cross to check the other guy's saddle, but the horse on the OTHER side of Ace decided to kick him. Ace's but flew around and his foot SLAMMED onto mine... hind foot... x_X Three broken bones and a week later, a freaking pony stepped on it.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:32 pm
Darkeenya [.Horse[Des]perate.] x.Marsh[mel]low.x AHA I said it ripped rofl
Ahem, sorry. One of my earrings caught on that bratty pony's mane and the pony shied at something. I was like "ah, crap!" and made sure all my earrings were still in and then continued on until Mike pointed out that I was bleeding EVERYWHERE. And I didn't notice because my right ear has absolutly NO feeling in it. (That is also an awkward story... NO SELF-PEIRCING XD)
So I checked it out, and turns out she almost tore my earring RIGHT OUT of my ear. But I put it back where it belongs, fixed my ear up, and it's all good now XD
but the adrenaline is because my receptive nerves in my ear are dead, so there's an adrenaline rush from the "pain" but no pain to respond to. So instead, I just get the adrenaline and no pain to balance it out, and HOMG it makes me extremely hyper x_X Wow... first your ear now your hand... the only BIG thing that happened to me was having a horse stomp onto my back..... passed out in the field wit 30 horses gonk luckily I wzas able to come out of it pretty quickly and then my parents drove me to E.R....... Now i have a permantly dented 6th rib xd yea xd it hurt like a mofo xd
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:31 pm
You know, not to jinx it, but in all my years of riding, I've yet to be kicked, trampled, or stomped on. I've been STEPPED on plenty of times, but that's like, the horse accidentally stepped on my toe.
Come to think of it, I've never been bitten to the point of broken skin ever, either. One mare almost got me once, but thankfully it was cold and I was wearing a really poofy coat, so she got a mouthful of my coat sleeve.
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