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 Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:29 am
You are still not getting my point, and I don't know how to make it any clearer.
You are the one who asked us if we can hold certain combinations of qualities without giving us clear definition of said qualities.
Do you understand that we can all hold different opinions about the qualities of good and evil?
This means that answering your question cannot be accomplished until an absolute is defined for good or evil.
It's that simple.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:32 pm
Okay the point is not to get a definition. But to obtain opnions on the vague topic. In order to understand your own dark or light/good or evil intentions towards others you must first hear the opnions of others on said vague topic.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:44 pm
I know that YOU are not asking for definition.
You are not listening to me.
How can you ask for an opinion about an undefined thing? Try and answer that for yourself before anything else. How can you give an answer if the question is undefined? You can't.
How can we say if we are light or dark, good or evil, if we do not know the properties of each? Do you not get that they just become hollow, meaningless labels without definition?
What actual qualities make a person one or the other? We all need to know what exactly makes us evil or good, light or dark, before we can apply these words to ourselves. Otherwise we are just saying things without understanding what we are saying, aren't we?
Your question is invalid if you cannot come up with qualities for each. Again, I would like to remind you that good and evil has been debated for a VERY long time. I suggest you study your philosophy a bit more, if you ever have. And if you do come up with some qualities, keep in mind that not everyone will agree with your opinion, will they?
Let me give you an example. Here is a made up word: Goblanzy
Are you more goblanzy or less goblanzy?
You can't tell me because you have no idea what it means. Light and Dark, Good and Evil are the same in this context.
We all have the ability to ascribe different qualities to each word.
I am getting very tired of making this point over and over again and I don't understand what you don't get about it.
If you just go around saying you are "dark" and "good", so what? What if other people see you as "light" and "evil?" This is possible because such words can have very abstract meanings to them. What does that mean? It means that everyone has a different opinion on what these words mean. If someone answers your question, and their opinion about these words is different than yours, then they aren't really answering your question are they?
I am beginning to think that you, like many others on this board, have no real idea of what philosophy is and isn't.
How can we tell you we are good or evil, light or dark, if we have no idea what they mean? I suggest you think about it a bit more before you ask this question. You may find that the subject isn't as clear-cut as you think it is, if you REALLY think about it.
If you want to know so badly how we treat other people, why not just ask us that?
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:58 pm
The point is that you must make your own definition and then give an opinion on what your definition says. If you can not understand what I'm trying to say then you are closed minded. I'm not questioning intelligents, quit the opposite. I'm questioning creative thought.
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:36 am
(Light and Dark Vs Good and Evil)
"Are they the same thing? If so, why? If not, why not?
Can you be good, but dark, can you be light but evil?
Personally, yes, I'm a living example of dark but not evil. Anuone else?"
I'm not close minded, I'm questioning your ability to even grasp what you are asking. As far as I can see, you are asking us if Light/Dark is the same as Good/Evil, but go on to state that you believe them to be two different things , and give faulty answers of your personal definitions that I find to be full of holes, and rather lacking. Your reasoning, to me, is not sound.
If I can't understand what it is you are trying to say it's because you aren't communicating it in a clear manner.
It's not an issue of intelligence and I don't believe I was trying to make it a point. However, philosophy is founded in REASON. REASON is what will bring us closer to the truth. "Creative thought" is all well and good, but even the most fanciful imagination does not philosophy make.
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:48 pm
Things are all thoughtful. You simply lack the thought pattern needed to understand. Not a bad thing. If you don't get it, ignore it or think it over constantly until you find the answer.
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:13 pm
Just forget it. You are obviously too incompetent to argue your point.
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:09 am
there once were two rams and they both wanted to stand on the same cliff and they butted heads then walked away to turn and do it again until one or both realized that it is not worth it.
words only represent the meaning that we each give to them, to argue over words in the ends removes all meaning. this is a place for the presentation of thoughts. there is no right or wrong, you both began with good points and it degenerated into accusations and mud slinging. there can be no reconcilitation of the argument that has occured because each was speaking of different things. and any judgemnt passed is the resulkt of the frustration of the other not seeing the point that one is trying to make. there is no reason to be sore or insulting.
i hope you both understand what i have said.
good day
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:01 pm
... yeah I'm stuborn, once I have an idea that has no right or wrong answers I don't back down.
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:12 pm
*facepalms* You realize that there is nothing inherently evil about darkness, right? Darkness is simply the absence of light. Psychologically we tend to think of light as good because it was an evolutionarily advantage. The daytime is safe, the night is dangerous. The concepts you're referring to as "darkness" being a metaphor for evilness as a literary device are not applicable to real world situations. It is a social and psychological construct with no basis in actual logic. And that's not even to mention the very nonexistence of inherent "goodness" and "evilness" in a cognitive being. But perhaps you're simply posing the question to the wrong audience. You may get more responses in the General Discussion forum.
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:39 am
Don't bother, I already tried to ingrain in him the sense that it doesn't belong here, and as a "philosophical" question it's too full of holes, but he doesn't want to be wrong.
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:42 am
well lets continue anyways, la demon verte, patroness of absinthe, has pointed out that darkness is the absence of light. these are two things that can exist in balance, for example in the case of a shadow is a piece of darkness formed by matter obstructing the path of light. well lets think about good and evil... do you think that evil would be content to reside within the boundaries of its formation? the way i see it if we have a little evil in us it need be growing or shrinking it would not be content to remain static, either it would attempt to grow and take over or it would be in the process of being tamed and beaten back through the discipline of the vessel which contains it. so in this example we can see differences between these four principles, two pairs. we can continue with this train of thoughts, why has darkness been associated with evil? let us consider what other associations that darkness has, namely blindness or the inability to see. in a situation such as that evil can be a very dangerous thing, if we are unable(or unwilling) to see the evil in ourselves then it will be able to grow unchecked and there can be no combating it, thus it could be thought of as our personal task to bring light into our lives to better see what is going on. a good deal of theosophical negativity regarding darkness could easily have come from misunderstanding of the writings of religious writers and their use of symbolic language, coming to mind in particular is the concept of the long dark night of the soul as told by St John of the Cross. most people fear and avoid darkness and evil but what john was saying is that the way out is through, to rise above you must conquer the darkness with light to see what is there and drown the evil with good, with virtuous being.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:05 pm
Man fears the dark and so he clings to it's edges with fire.
Actual darkness and dark intention are completely different. I being a relatively good natured person have many dark intentions to those that push me over the edge.
In the light you may see that which you fear, and in the dark you know not what you fear.
If you are unable to grasp my train of thought then you should simply take a break from total reality and visit fantastic reality.
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:41 am
i get what you mean, but you are using the word dark with two different meanings when unnecessary and asking us our opinions and judging our use based on your arbitrary usage and no context for others to understand the difference. if you want to be a writer this is a big thing, you want your audience to know what you are talking about.
dark intention could just as well be called evil intention or bad intention but when comparing it to light and good and evil it gets awful confusing.
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:05 pm
All7 Good is kindness to all but the evil. Evil is cruelty to all but ones self. Dark is in appearance as well as in treatment of who ever your enemy is. (Good or Evil) Light is healing and/or painless killing. Well put.
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