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 Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:10 am
Are they the same thing? If so, why? If not, why not?
Can you be good, but dark, can you be light but evil?
Personally, yes, I'm a living example of dark but not evil. Anuone else?
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:39 pm
Good and Evil, Light and Dark.
You can never be solely any one side, you can never be ALL good or ALL evil. This is because, neither can exist without the other. Without the concept of good, there is no evil, they would both cease to exist. Light and dark, same thing, without the concept of one of them, neither would exist. They co-exist. If there is light, that light will cast a shadow upon something, that something is the dark. Without the light, that shadow would cease to exist. It would not be then dark, because then there is "Nothing". Ever seen the yin-yang symbol? The two elements, back and white, no matter how large each portion, there is still at least a small amount of the other within it.
Yup..thats how I see it anyway. razz
Regards, R.H. razz
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:05 pm
Those are some very abstract ideas you have jumbled into one question.
Can you clearly define "light and dark," or "good and evil?"
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:21 pm
I'm talking about in stories, the Good are always considered light. And the Evil are always refered to as dark. I'm saying that you can be dark but good, or evil but light. I'm also not saying that you are all good or all evil, I'm saying in people they are more of one than the other. And Light and Dark exist as people see them. Different people see them as different things.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:23 am
All7 I'm talking about in stories, the Good are always considered light. And the Evil are always refered to as dark. I'm saying that you can be dark but good, or evil but light. I'm also not saying that you are all good or all evil, I'm saying in people they are more of one than the other. And Light and Dark exist as people see them. Different people see them as different things. there are some occasions in literature and story telling where it is hard to tell the difference between the four. the only one that comes to mind right now is the hbo series Carnivale, i love that show you should watch it in chronological order and it has a lot to do with good, bad, light and dark. i think that instead of think about this as a simple polarity we could consider it on a quadrant graph, that is to say instead of a line with one end good and the other evil you add a perpendicular line with light and dark and that will give you conceptually a whole range possibilities. so i suppose i would say that there are no real definite lines drawn. though in reality people are mostly either of an average temperament or an extreme and with extremes they can sometimes swing back and forth between extreme opposites.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:40 pm
A good person can be dark enjoying the pain of an evil person.
An evil person can be light killing people quickly and painlessly, or using emotional torture.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:50 pm
I would still like to see a better definition of good, evil, light and dark. I don't think it's possible to really answer this without such. For that matter, I've never agreed with such black and white concepts. Whether we are talking about stories or real life is not the issue. You can't just tack an attribute onto someone without actually knowing what that attribute means. What is lightness? What is darkness? What is good, what is evil? What things specifically make up the attributes of such ideals?
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:00 pm
Good is kindness to all but the evil.
Evil is cruelty to all but ones self.
Dark is in appearance as well as in treatment of who ever your enemy is. (Good or Evil)
Light is healing and/or painless killing.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:58 pm
Light can be good, and Dark can be evil, but u cud also be light, but evil, or dark and good....or just everything....I mean, if u reach for the light, doesnt ur shadow becomes bigger??? no matter what, light and dark, good and evil, needs each other....To make balance in dis world....
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:43 pm
"Good is kindness to all but the evil.
Evil is cruelty to all but ones self."
So we define a good act as excluding those we deem evil, and we define evil as those who are cruel? Is it not cruel to deny kindness? Would that not then make the good evil? What if something one of us considers cruel, another does not consider so? For that matter, what if a "kindness" we bestowed upon someone caused some negative effect and was seen as cruel?
"Dark is in appearance as well as in treatment of who ever your enemy is. (Good or Evil)
Light is healing and/or painless killing. "
Dark, as a concept then, is the way you look to others and how your enemies perceive you? And light is considered the process of healing combined with murder? And what if not everyone sees the same people as light or dark, how then do we define these qualities?
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:43 pm
Try to place yourself in this concept, what are you based on the points I've set, ask your friends. Look at your friends under these points.
Under these points I see my self as Good, but dark. I am cruel to those who are cruel to me and those I consider important to me. While I have and evil side that just wants to hurt everyone in any way possible: Mental, Emotional or physical. And a light side that wants to heal, but also wants to just kill people that are cruel to me and my important people. Most of my friends are domonated by the concept of Dark but not evil. Some are good and light and even fewer are evil but light. I don't have any that would be evil and dark.
Now you do this.
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:32 pm
And I have been trying to tell you that your definitions do not make logical sense to me, and I am trying to evoke from you a more precise definition. Now you are saying you are good but cruel, but you previously defined evil as cruel, so which is it? If you mean to say that treating your enemy cruelly is "dark," I do not see how it is different from "evil." Do you see it as a "light" act to murder those you feel are cruel to you and your "important people?" It seems to be what you just stated. So I ask again, to please define these concept more carefully before you ask about them. So far your ideals of each thing seem to conflict.
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:08 pm
You need to not be too logical. Use imagination. Be creative. Think past the facts into the unknown.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:46 am
Um.
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Logic = philosophy. Philosophy is about finding truths.
Other branches of philosophy include ethics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
You may want to try a creative writing guild.
Otherwise, I am afraid that if you want to stick with the realm of philosophy, we are going to need some LOGICAL definitions of your terms, or at least a LOGICAL attempt to do so.
As far as the topic of good and evil, that falls into the category of ethics/morality. It is still a debated topic to this day, with many opinions and no real end-all answers.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:08 pm
Philosophy requires creative thinking to find your way around confusing questions and looping thoughts. It leads to logic, but it twists through lies. Try it. Loop your way through the walls and lies and find a way around. Find your own defenition.
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