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Owle Isohos

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:11 am


The story is good, but its still cliche in that it still makes Dark the bad evil dude. That's what we were trying to avoid, remember? sweatdrop Or at least, that was my objection to the original story.

I'm also of the opinion that each religion should have its own creation story...so I'll make an attempt at writing a coherent one.

Off the top of my head

In the beginning, Free Magic was the only thing that existed. Latent power swirled within it, chaotic, willing to


You know, there may have been a time before Free Magic existed...but when Free Magic came into being, it ate away at everything else. Perhaps remnants of what was before Free Magic still swirl around within it, and it is from these that the elemental spirits where born (or perhaps reborn?)

Off the top of my head, take 2

In the beginning, Free Magic was all. An infinite spiral of latent power, chaotic and malevolent, corroding all it touched that was not itself. But within the spiral existed small pockets of magic that was not chaotic, that was not malevolent. These small pieces of power were good, but scattered throughout Free Magic, unable to escape the spiral on there own. Free Magic paid them no heed, knowing that it would corrupt them in time.

But this other magic was strong. It lasted through the eons, and as Free Magic swirled about, its violent movements brought some of these pieces together...

Soon, enough of them had joined to break away from the Free Magic. This being called herself Dark, as it was her nature to shadow all things she touched, revealing and hiding others at once. Free Magic could not control her, or swallow her back into itself.

Free Magic could not stand the thought of another being of power existing outside itself, but it could not defeat Dark. All it could do was try to tempt her, and lure her back into itself. But Dark had just recently gained her freedom, and had no wish to return to the place she had been born.

So Free Magic turned to the pockets of other magic within itself, carefully selecting each one to bring together. The end result was Light, a being who was the opposite of Dark. By her nature, Light made Dark and her shadows flee at a simple touch. Free Magic hoped that by releasing Light, it would force Dark to come back to it.

Light wanted no part of the Free Magic now that she was away from the spiral. She immediately went to seek out her sister, in hopes of gaining the friendship of the only other being in the world. But as she drew near, Dark shrank back. Somewhat offended and unsure of why Dark was reacting this way, Light continued to draw near her.

Dark believed that Light had come to destroy her, for with a mere touch Light swept all her shadows away. At first Dark drew back, trying to avoid the conflict, but Light continued to approach. So Dark gathered all her strength and stepped forward to fight back.

Light was astounded when part of her was blotted out by Dark. She could not believe her sister would attack her. She had no choice now but to defend herself.

The battle stretched on in the timelessness of the world at its beginning. Neither Light nor Dark could remember how long they had been fighting, but in that time four more siblings had been born of the Free Magic: Earth, Air, Water, and Fire.

Light and Dark were both weakened by their constant struggle. Free Magic had gradually moved closer and closer to the warring pair, like a vulture hovering over a man in the desert. Now it was close enough that Light and Dark could clearly see its intentions. Wishing above all else not to return to its chaotic void, the two elements did the unthinkable: they called a truce.

They agreed that they must not fight each other directly, for if either of them weakened the other too much, one might succumb to Free Magic. They needed a place to carry out their struggle without the risk of being consumed by Free Magic. But try as they might, Light and Dark could not create one. Their combined efforts merely canceled one another out. So the two turned to their other siblings for help.

Earth, Air, Water, and Fire, wishing to stay on the good sides of both sisters, thought long and hard on the creation of a battlefield. What they truly wanted was peace between their sisters. They put their heads together, and finally came up with an idea. If they made a battlefield so beautiful, so alive, that neither sister would want to ruin it, then maybe the two would stop fighting. Thus, Gaia was born.

Light and Dark did not stop fighting. They could not; it was in their very natures to eternally struggle against one another. Their battle can still be seen today, in the interplay between sunlight and shadow, day and night, mage of light and mage of dark. It has gone on since before the birth of the world, and will continue even when the world is gone. So it is, and always will be.


Dammit, I'm late for class. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:28 am


Owle Isohos
The story is good, but its still cliche in that it still makes Dark the bad evil dude. That's what we were trying to avoid, remember? sweatdrop Or at least, that was my objection to the original story.


Who's to say that Fenrir's version wasn't, say, what the Earth practioners think? It does seem fairly biased, and made Earth out to be more important than the others, so it sounds pretty reasonable that it'd be just one point of view. Yours seems to focus on only 2 of the elements plus Free Magic, so maybe that's either how Dark-users or Light-users see it. I don't think we'll ever be able to manage a completely non-biased PoV for the Creation.

And I kinda like that idea. smile

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Songjewel

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:43 am


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oh my GOD you guys TALK SO MUCH!!!! xd Give me a few days to catch up on the Jabber and the class description threads. I'm going to read at least all the posts in the class discussion thread...but since I just got back and classes start tomorrow, I probably wont do anything about it for a few days.


Anybody care to outline any important things I missed? whee
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:27 pm


A few ideas about a creation story, that's about it. 3nodding

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Owle Isohos

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:22 pm


Anduril


Who's to say that Fenrir's version wasn't, say, what the Earth practioners think? It does seem fairly biased, and made Earth out to be more important than the others, so it sounds pretty reasonable that it'd be just one point of view. Yours seems to focus on only 2 of the elements plus Free Magic, so maybe that's either how Dark-users or Light-users see it. I don't think we'll ever be able to manage a completely non-biased PoV for the Creation.

And I kinda like that idea. smile


True, true. As a story for what the Earth practioners think, I love it. biggrin The stories don't have to be just what one group of magi thinks, though...there are more people in the world than just the magi, and not all magi of the same element are likely to agree on the same religion.

I don't think it's possible to manage a non-biased PoV for anything...I tried to balance out Light and Dark in the one I wrote, but otherwise...yeah. xp Glad you liked it, though.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 12:31 am


Anytime, Owley! 3nodding

Here's a thought that just occurred to me... are the events that occurred in v. 1.0 the absolute 100% set-in-stone future? A lot of characters interacted in the 1.0 that are back in 2.0; wouldn't it screw stuff up if they met now, 5 years prior to their "real" first meeting? I would love to bring Katsumi back, but, we all know what goes on with her, Tatriel and the good guys.

If this was handled earlier in the thread, point me to it, otherwise, I'll continue to sit and stare. wink

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:43 am


I think there's something about a 'major events' thing... This is the now, that is the was... In the future, I have no idea, but I doubt it will be the same... probably close in some cases, but not really... :shrug:

*Prods.* ...and you have an Umbrella Inc. insignia on your siggy.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:11 am


:Thinks that Owlie is a genius, for he has just read her story. Thinks that everyone who did write a story deserve props anyway.:

Man, that was really good. I mean really. 3nodding

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Owle Isohos

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:50 am


I'm pretty sure the future isn't set in stone...we'll end up jumping ahead five years after certain things happen, but the future will definitely be different based on what's happening in the past.

And I'm not a genius. sweatdrop I was just going off of what Sey wrote, throwing in some ideas of Light and Dark being balanced, as well as some random things from the theory of evolution. Thanks, though smile
PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:23 am


themightyjello
I think there's something about a 'major events' thing... This is the now, that is the was... In the future, I have no idea, but I doubt it will be the same... probably close in some cases, but not really... :shrug:

*Prods.* ...and you have an Umbrella Inc. insignia on your siggy.


Haven't I always said I was efil? domokun It's actually the Templar cross, but now that I look at it...

And yay for getting that temporal mess figured out. Back to the grind for me.

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Rape Me Tender

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:28 am


There would actually be a very simple way of having a creation story for each element. This would be cheap, easy, and above all easy to understand.

Just have a set story that will work for any of the elemental spirits. Then just switch the names around. The 'good' in the story would be the elemental spirit that is being touched on. The 'bad' will be the opposing element. Also, for a bit more life, let the compatible spirits go together.

For Example:
Fire , Wind >>>> Water , Earth
Fire >>>> Water
Earth >>>> Wind
Light >>>> Dark


And so on and so forth....I dunno...random idea...
PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:20 am


Yeah, but that would be boring. xp Besides, how many world religions do you know of who have the same creation story as one another, but switch the roles of God (or equivalent) and the devil (or equivalent)? That would be pretty screwy...

It's a good suggestion if we wanted to be lazy, but its just not as interesting.

Owle Isohos


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:37 am


Owle Isohos
Yeah, but that would be boring. xp Besides, how many world religions do you know of who have the same creation story as one another, but switch the roles of God (or equivalent) and the devil (or equivalent)? That would be pretty screwy...

It's a good suggestion if we wanted to be lazy, but its just not as interesting.


True, I just had to point out the way with the least work. That is just the way Chaos works...heh...

I still liked your story though. Fenny's would be great for the 'earth-elemental' religion. Earth was at the center of it in some shape or form. Dark was the 'villian', but it was mostly greed. All of the others had already destroyed much of the world.

Your's Owle could be warped just a bit and work. Light elemental worshiper's could claim that Dark approached light first. And reversed. Just throw in a few more events, alter it some, and you have two religion's blaming each other for a very simple event. xp
PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:41 am


What I think is odd, is that no one has suggested that one all powerful god has created the entire world, and gave birth to the elemental spirits, who took over, and stuff. As far as I saw. That could work as a universal belief, but of course, religions could skew it to their own ends, saying their element was created first, or their god was given the most power by the mother/father god. I dunno. Just a suggestion.

Nicholai Maxwell


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:53 am


That could work... but at the same time monotheism is boring.
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