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 Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:17 pm
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:42 pm
How do you think they are made up in the first place? If someone set in their beliefs is unconvincable, then why do you fight on? Who do you think you will ever convince if that is true?
That way of thinking will doom you to failure, and you will never convince anybody. Even if you ignore the challenges on your ideals, if there is one thing you need to be most challenged on, it is that.
Farewell, I will send the exit as soon as I finish typing this. I'd like to think of some of you as friends, and if there is one way I hope to have helped you, it is that.
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:13 pm
You're arguing with people who know little to none about a philosophy you just discovered your self.
I can't challenge someone who wasn't really presenting anything I could challenge, instead choosing to present me with questions that are yes or no answers.
It is your duty to challenge yourself, not ours.
You point out the flaws in anarchism, and the strong suits of whatever your philosophy is.
We can't point out flaws to something we have no knowledge of.
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:26 am
Unfortunately Plato's theories and Philosophies cannot be applied to todays societies, simply because they are based off the assumption that only a few have the ability to learn and be reasonable. Modern studies have disproved this. Plato could not imagine a society where people are educated or informed, and where companies have the power to criple nations, or even the power to kill millions with the simple stroke of a few buttons.
This is where Plato's theories fail on the secular level, simply because they are not applicable to todays society.
((This is stated in either Plato's of Socrates dialogue, something to do with a man in a cave. ))
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:47 pm
on the city metaphor, Plato obviously believed the goal of the spirit to be reason, because in a city the army or police(spirit) serve the goals of the ruling(reason). The spirit is simply a sense of self, where we get personality and our values from. In a city, the spirit would be the goals of the whole city, influenced by producers(desire) and the ruling(reason). This would mean that the producers and ruling would have to be of the same mindset. In Plato's apparently the ruling and producers conflict, and the only way to cause them to not conflict is if they were the same people, meaning an anarchist-style city in which all rule together and work together on an equal level because for the rulers to be the producers all citizens must be both. No one can be solely the police, or spirit, because the spirit comes from the merging of reason and desire, so all citizens are the producers, rulers, and enforcers. This method of society, in which everyone works(equality), everyone watches out for each other(community), and everyone sets the rules together(consensus) is the common goal of most anarchist movements.
This merging of desire and reason to create a single entity is also beneficial in the human mind. If your desires are shot down my your judgment, you feel inadequate, if your desires overwhelm you and you act without reason, you create danger for yourself and do not learn. This transfers back over to the city. If you have rulers who do not listen to the producers, the producers feel unappreciated and this leads to economical collapse as workers will strike or revolt(in the mind it would be a nervous breakdown as the emotions rage against the brain and act out). If you have the producers doing everything they want with no boundaries, chaos ensues and social progress fails. The reason you cannot simply balance some people being rulers and others producers with both sides getting things they want is that because rulers and producers(reason and desire) want such different things, a compromise hurts both, but a unification betters both.
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