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 Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:13 pm
PiercedPixie2 Reformed Baptist I wanted to lay this on table in this discussion to show why many believe that women should not be ministers. 1st Corinthians 14:33-35 (ESV) ... As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. 1st Timothy 2:11-15 (ESV) Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.
And im sorry, we're equals. I will never let a man tell me im less, and if i wanted to be a female pastor, there is no way i would listen.
God makes us, and i personally believe in fate..so If he made me a minister, he would want me to rise about the oppressors and do what he made me to do.
I don't tend to agree with the first quote. What Paul neglects to mention is that men are also in submission. However, the second quote I find to be quite empowering to women, especially "she will be saved through childbearing -- if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control". There are few things more awesome than a wife who raises children in such a way, with a husband who helps her do that.
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:14 pm
Most verses about keeping women quiet are about stopping gossip. D:
Also back then women couldn't read, and they where confined from the guys, guys on one end girls on the other, so they HAD to wait till they got home to ask questions.
Nowdays thats not the case. You know, in heaven there is no male or female, so do you thing God is going to care if he uses a male or a female? No God will use anyone. biggrin
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:14 pm
After this summer, I feel the call the ministry more than ever so if there was ever a bit of doubt in my mind, it's completely gone now.
I also heard (in reference to the first verse) that that verse was actually revolutionary because it said teach your women, where as before hand women were meant to be uneducated. I don't know how accurate that is- I just heard it in passing in a sermon.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:05 am
I see both sides. I think women are too emotional for alot of things. And don't call me sexist. Its just the truth. Women tend to be alot more emotionally involved in alot of things. And ministry has a place for that, maybe not being a pastor, but being involved.
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:16 pm
Not truth. Sterotype.
And if you want to be sterotypical about it, men are given to being emotional too. Agression is driven by anger. Anger is an emotion.
Oh, and I rarely cry. I am much more prone to looking at a situation and figuring out how to fix it than I am to get all weepy about it.
So yeah...
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:23 pm
Ixor-san Not truth. Sterotype.
And if you want to be sterotypical about it, men are given to being emotional too. Agression is driven by anger. Anger is an emotion.
Oh, and I rarely cry. I am much more prone to looking at a situation and figuring out how to fix it than I am to get all weepy about it.
So yeah...
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:35 pm
Priestley Ixor-san Not truth. Sterotype.
And if you want to be sterotypical about it, men are given to being emotional too. Agression is driven by anger. Anger is an emotion.
Oh, and I rarely cry. I am much more prone to looking at a situation and figuring out how to fix it than I am to get all weepy about it.
So yeah...
I sowwy.
If it helps, I speak more of the 'masculine sterotype' than actual guys. You all are just as much individuals as anyone else 3nodding
I tend more towards the 'masculine' sterotype then the 'feminine' one. Ask any of my friends sweatdrop
Which is why it ruffles me so when people pull out all that. It's not only untrue, but also horribly insulting to those that don't fit that mold (like me). It can be a great cause of insecurity in those like me, as well (sometimes).
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:50 pm
Ixor-san Priestley Ixor-san Not truth. Sterotype.
And if you want to be sterotypical about it, men are given to being emotional too. Agression is driven by anger. Anger is an emotion.
Oh, and I rarely cry. I am much more prone to looking at a situation and figuring out how to fix it than I am to get all weepy about it.
So yeah...
I sowwy.
If it helps, I speak more of the 'masculine sterotype' than actual guys. You all are just as much individuals as anyone else 3nodding
I tend more towards the 'masculine' sterotype then the 'feminine' one. Ask any of my friends sweatdrop
Which is why it ruffles me so when people pull out all that. It's not only untrue, but also horribly insulting to those that don't fit that mold (like me). It can be a great cause of insecurity in those like me, as well (sometimes).
Yeah, I'm also different depending on my situation and the company I keep. It really isn't fair to stereotype but, at the same time, there are indications towards a particular stereotype that can be quite accurate predictors. Would it be safe to say that a person can have elements from different stereotypes?
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:19 pm
Priestley Ixor-san Priestley Ixor-san Not truth. Sterotype.
And if you want to be sterotypical about it, men are given to being emotional too. Agression is driven by anger. Anger is an emotion.
Oh, and I rarely cry. I am much more prone to looking at a situation and figuring out how to fix it than I am to get all weepy about it.
So yeah...
I sowwy.
If it helps, I speak more of the 'masculine sterotype' than actual guys. You all are just as much individuals as anyone else 3nodding
I tend more towards the 'masculine' sterotype then the 'feminine' one. Ask any of my friends sweatdrop
Which is why it ruffles me so when people pull out all that. It's not only untrue, but also horribly insulting to those that don't fit that mold (like me). It can be a great cause of insecurity in those like me, as well (sometimes).
Yeah, I'm also different depending on my situation and the company I keep. It really isn't fair to stereotype but, at the same time, there are indications towards a particular stereotype that can be quite accurate predictors. Would it be safe to say that a person can have elements from different stereotypes?
And certainly, people can fit a variety of stereotypes at the same time, even opposing ones. And some even fit the stereotypes. But I think that's more social conditioning or co-incidence than any natural inclination towards certain behaviors. And maybe we're a little wired for things simply becasue that is how God made us. And if he wants to make a female with a bit more testosterone than most, who are we to argue?
Myself, I'm a mix of a lot of stereotypes. I'm a female who is a rather masculine geek and who dresses a bit punk. I'm also an old woman who likes cartoons and doesn't pay much attention to the news and can't stand 'adult' entertainment.
And ya know what? While I tend towards the masculine, I'm quite straight. I like classical music, romance, furry animals, I 'categorized' my kitchen (got teased about that by my roommate the other day), and I am a complete chocoholic.
But really, none of that has anything to do with my gender. It is simply who I am as a person. Not so much as a female.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:49 am
Well, I don't see how female preachers can be offensive to God.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:24 am
I might have posted this earlier, but if I did, I think it bears repeating.
I don't think ANYONE who feels called to do God's work, lead a church and live a holy life dedicated to his work is offensive to God. Preachers and pastors and priests give up an awful lot for their careers, and it's a lifelong job. No one does it for the money, certainly. It's for love of Christ and love of the people. I don't think God cares about your gender.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:49 am
ryuu_chan I don't think God cares about your gender. Not everyone is able to see that, though. Some take the bible too literaly, even though it was inspired by God, written by man, making it falliable.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:25 pm
Ixor-san I 'categorized' my kitchen
Fancy fixing me a snack, toots? xd
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:08 pm
I am sorry for offending anyone, I didn't mean it like women shouldn'tQuote: be pastors, I meant it as in general... I know most women fit that stereotype... I didn't mean all. I know I tend to act out in my emotions... Most of the time badly, and not in the most loving way. That is all I meant by it. And in the same way, emotional men... do the same.
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