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Women ministers?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:20 pm


This topic seems to be coming up a lot recently for some reason, which is why I pose it to you guys. What do you think about having women as ordained ministers, potentially even head pastor of a church?

I personally don't see a problem with it. I think anyone who wants to share the love of God should be able to, plus the notion that women can't seems silly and outdated. But apperently there's a lot more people out there who believe otherwise. My bib lit teacher said she actually had a guy come into her office and tell her all the reasons why she was wrong to be an ordained minister in the Methodist church.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:34 pm


One word: Deborah. 3nodding

She took on a role that was thought of as a man's job. god used her to do it, anyway. Our gender doesn't matter. If God gave us the neccesary gifts for ministry, who are we to say no? And who is anyone else to challenge that?

I don't think gender roles are as encouraged in the Bible as people seem to think.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:23 pm


Hey there.

Yeah, well, I understand I what you're saying, but really, it's true... People just don't see women pastors. It makes sense considering all the 'major' ones are male, and the father of the house is the dominant figure, ect...

However, people don't get that woman only differ from men in certain mental patterns, thought processes, and gender. xd

We can be just as smart, and just as passionate about God. We can also be just as knowledgeable, if more.

I mean, come on. I don't even 100% agree with the man being "#1". Yes, he should be the head, but I don't like how the Bible puts it.

Oh well, questioning God is a no-no, so I wont say a word more. razz


Anyway, woman are just as fit to be in the ministry. biggrin
PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:08 pm


If it's God's Will So Be it!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:37 pm


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:46 pm


Well, it's sexism in this case, but eh...same dif.

And I still don't buy into that whole 'women think differently then men' bit. That's only if we're raised as such and we can't think for or selves enough to break out of it. Or we simply prefer it. I defy a lot of those stereotypes. I'm a lot more aggressive and generally masculine than a lot of guys I know. If I can do it, so can any woman, if she wishes. Or if God has wired her that way.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:23 am


It depends on whether you believe in the complete Bible or only pick and choose the parts you want to. The Bible is clearly sexist, but you don't have to follow it completely literally.

I think sexism is moronic. Therefore, I support women's (and men's) rights to hold whatever position they desire. However, I also recognize the right of an establishment to exclude whomever it desires from that foundation or a position in that foundation.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:09 am


Ixor makes a good point- Deborah was awesome! There are actually quite a few rocking women, especially in the book of Judges that kick the guys butts. Samson's downfall was a woman, and there are several other instances of women killing men and just being awesome.

And I mean... where in the Bible does it say that women can't be a religious leader? (I mean... does it? I honestly don't know which is why I ask.)

@shiruka: While I don't really support the questioning of God, I do think we have to question our beliefs and what we know. The Bible is so open to interpretation- we have to question. Otherwise we're blind followers, and that's no fun. And random: I know quite a few women who are ordained pastors. The head of religious life here is, as well as the church down the street.

@Aenik: But why is it God's will? Or rather- why do you think it's God's will?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:27 pm


Dunno if Delilah is really the best example of a woman's potential... sweatdrop

And the Bible isn't actually that sexist. It's only sexist if you are picking and choosing what to believe. There are plenty of examples of women doing great things. And I think Proverbs 31 has some interesting things to say about gender roles to those who really stop and think about what that woman actually does...
PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:43 pm


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Dunno if Delilah is really the best example of a woman's potential... sweatdrop

And the Bible isn't actually that sexist. It's only sexist if you are picking and choosing what to believe. There are plenty of examples of women doing great things. And I think Proverbs 31 has some interesting things to say about gender roles to those who really stop and think about what that woman actually does...


Samson isn't necessarily the best example of a man's potential either- he was kind of a manwhore.

There are quite a few instances of women rocking though, particuallrly in judges. In one, a woman dropped a rock on a guys head and he had his servant stab him because he didn't want to say he was killed by a woman. There's another where a woman basically stabs a dude.

I agree though, the Bible isn't as demeaning to woman as a lot of people think. Part of it was just the culture of the time. And also I too I think is we see what we expect to see- and that male dominance in the Bible.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:17 am


XD Well, I suppose no one was perfect.

And yeah, it's amazing what societal brainwashing can do.
My favorite thing I discovered was what Proverbs 31 REALLY teaches us about gender roles.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:07 am


There were Many Great Woman in the Bible.
But Men seem to Guard their Wives.
Wich Means that Women Are Important,
Get the Cycle?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:23 pm


Aenik Canar
There were Many Great Woman in the Bible.
But Men seem to Guard their Wives.
Wich Means that Women Are Important,
Get the Cycle?


Oh, I don't deny that. I like it when a guy takes care of me... to an extent, anyway. I'm independant, but every now and then I like having a guy to just give me a big hug and support me.

However I find the notion that woman cannot be ministers ridiculous. God makes a habit of using the underdog all through the Bible. So if certain people see women as lesser than it seems like God should use them even more!

I simply didn't realize there was still such a large following of people who believe women shouldn't be ministers and I wondered why.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:14 pm


"Woman was not brought forth from man's head that he may lord over her, from his hand that he may strike her, nor from his foot that he may crush her. Woman was brought forth from man's side that he may protect and cherish her."

Or something like that. I don't remember the EXACT words, but it's the general idea. There are so many ways women are suited to ministry. Females -- or males, for that matter -- may have an easier time talking to a woman about their issues. Women typically have better intuition, and are more willing to listen rather than act when listening is all that is asked for. Sometimes, they're emotionally stronger than a man, or can empathize better. If a woman feels God's calling, why not let her do it? There have been many female prophets. And now, just like way back when, a woman's word carries less weight than a man's in a male-dominated world. But that doesn't mean that she's not heard.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:04 am


I wanted to lay this on table in this discussion to show why many believe that women should not be ministers.

1st Corinthians 14:33-35 (ESV)
... As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.

1st Timothy 2:11-15 (ESV)
Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.
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