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 Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:37 pm
Not to nitpick in return, but I was saying that more in reference to old catholic mindset, As in, Vladcard's mindset, not the mindset of todays Christian.
As for the crusades, it was really a combination of all those factors. In that belief, the Pope had, like, holy control, ya know?
He good frickin' Excommunicate ya for crying out loud.Lulz. xP
....and being involved in the crusades WAS a get out of jail free card. It pretty much got rid of all previous sins if one 'fought for god'. rolleyes
Hahah, what an excuse that was...
The crusades where pretty much the peak of all religious stupidity. rolleyes
Wait, wait, wait... Noooo, the spanish inquisition, witch hunts, and all other hunts where the peak of religious stupidity.
ANYWAY,
If we want to get into detail on Christianity, we can get into the subject of accepting Christ as ones savior, etc, however... That was not the conversation I wanted to start. Not in the least bit, for although I do preach abit at times, I'm overall not preachy. Nor am I insane. Nor do I pounce on people who disagree with my own beliefs... O_o
...I like to stay out of most Christian communities, since half the churches I go to contain assholes who won't accept others just because they dress a certain way, or wont even try to help people simply because they happen to be homeless drug addicts, wowwww, shouldn't you instead be welcoming them with open arms, buying them dinner, and taking time to share the love of God with them instead of being total hypocrites just because they're going through tough times...
Anyway, sorry, sorry, forgive the ranting here. >_>
SEE?
That's why I didn't want to talk about religion in this thread.
...Oh f*ck I just backtalked to the captain. D;
...Sorry... cry
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:28 pm
Suni moon Not to nitpick in return, but I was saying that more in reference to old catholic mindset, As in, Vladcard's mindset, not the mindset of todays Christian. As for the crusades, it was really a combination of all those factors. In that belief, the Pope had, like, holy control, ya know? He good frickin' Excommunicate ya for crying out loud.Lulz. xP I figured that was probably what you meant, but I wasn't sure. Like I say, a good excuse. The pope got some cash from the crusades too, so he was all for it. Suni moon The crusades where pretty much the peak of all religious stupidity. rolleyes Wait, wait, wait... Noooo, the spanish inquisition, witch hunts, and all other hunts where the peak of religious stupidity. Yeah. Or the multiple Jihads that almost overran Europe, or the Shariah Law murders, or the Holocaust. *tries to think of a way to bring this back on topic - wait, WTH was the topic?!* Oh, I remember. I've seen some attempts by people to try to decipher the gloves' significance based on when the sigil appears. I tried to do this at first, but given Hirano's many errors, it's kind of hard. Plus, Hirano doesn't even stick with the same text or design, often using it to sneak in names of other anime series. *sigh* So much for consistency.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:43 pm
Ace of Death *tries to think of a way to bring this back on topic - wait, WTH was the topic?!* Oh, I remember. I've seen some attempts by people to try to decipher the gloves' significance based on when the sigil appears. I tried to do this at first, but given Hirano's many errors, it's kind of hard. Plus, Hirano doesn't even stick with the same text or design, often using it to sneak in names of other anime series. *sigh* So much for consistency. Dude, Hirano is never consistent! xd He himself admits that he never puts that much thought into whatever he's writing, he just draws whatever looks cool at the time. cool Ye must not take Hellsing too seriously man, ye must go with the flow... dramallama (And please ignore Shad's poor attempt at a Jamaican accent mrgreen ).
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:55 pm
(First off, replace 'man' with 'mon'... As in Jaaa mon. XDDD *cheesy thumbs up*)
Yes, Hirano... *exhales, then grabs volume one*
First off, Alucard's glove ranges from a pentagram... to being this star of david looking thing....
The text is always changing, sometimes it's scribbles, other times it's random text that one can actually read... aaaand other times it's actually the real version, which, may I add, is a total pain in the a** to draw AGAIN and AGAIN with each panel, so who can blame him.
(Although I can somewhat blame him for those times when there is NOTHING on Alucards gloves... O___o )
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:13 pm
ShadowsHeir Ace of Death *tries to think of a way to bring this back on topic - wait, WTH was the topic?!* Oh, I remember. I've seen some attempts by people to try to decipher the gloves' significance based on when the sigil appears. I tried to do this at first, but given Hirano's many errors, it's kind of hard. Plus, Hirano doesn't even stick with the same text or design, often using it to sneak in names of other anime series. *sigh* So much for consistency. Dude, Hirano is never consistent! xd He himself admits that he never puts that much thought into whatever he's writing, he just draws whatever looks cool at the time. cool Ye must not take Hellsing too seriously man, ye must go with the flow... dramallama (And please ignore Shad's poor attempt at a Jamaican accent mrgreen ).
Hirano is pretty lazy too.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:03 am
Jelai ShadowsHeir Ace of Death *tries to think of a way to bring this back on topic - wait, WTH was the topic?!* Oh, I remember. I've seen some attempts by people to try to decipher the gloves' significance based on when the sigil appears. I tried to do this at first, but given Hirano's many errors, it's kind of hard. Plus, Hirano doesn't even stick with the same text or design, often using it to sneak in names of other anime series. *sigh* So much for consistency. Dude, Hirano is never consistent! xd He himself admits that he never puts that much thought into whatever he's writing, he just draws whatever looks cool at the time. cool Ye must not take Hellsing too seriously man, ye must go with the flow... dramallama (And please ignore Shad's poor attempt at a Jamaican accent mrgreen ).
Hirano is pretty lazy too. Seriously! xd After 10 years he has completed... what...(?) almost but not quite 10 volumes... and still not finished. xp I mean, COME ON! There's being lazy, and then there's being Kohta Hirano (who fully admits to this fact on numerous occasions). xd
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:49 am
Hirano is lazy but to his defence most mangakas, when doing a series, only release 1 manga per year or every 6 months. Usually 1 chapter per month, so he's not all that bad.
I admire the likes of Kaori Yuki or Ai Yazawa who are always up to date and keep busy with 1 or 2 projects.
Now the publishing companies...they are the ones to blame for most of the delay. Sure they do have many projects to publish out but there are so many publishing firms out there, and not even the less popular ones keep up with their work.
They know that Hellsing and other series are very popular in Europe and the States but no, they just don't publish them on time, they wait 1 or 2 years after the manga has been released to translate and print them.
I heard that Borders almost put TokyoPop out of business since they return almost 2 million dollars worth of manga...
Back to the topic of the glove, I must say that I am very annoyed with the second OVA.
I believe it is a mistake, but my brain doesn’t like me sane so it keep coming up with reasons why the mark appears and disappears.
For example, my current thoughts on the third ova is that since Alucard is going by a different name and is trying to look as normal as he possibly can, the symbol on his gloves is missing as it would gain him unwanted attention. Then when he enters the room the symbols appear again since Pip is the only one in the room. Quite the undercover tactic. Anyone agrees, or am I alone on this little theory.
I have an immense problem with the dream sequence on the second OVA. When it came out on the manga, everyone made a huge fuss because Alucard cried, since then it has become quite a fan(girl) favourite.
Hellsing has been popular for a long time, the OVA staff must have know that obsessive fans were going to nag about ever little fault, so I am sure they must have made a huge effort to make the OVAs almost perfect.
So WHY would they make such a mistake?
And why didn’t they fix it before they released the DVDs?
I am sure it was deliberate just for the pleasure of watching fans battle in argument ….jerks stare
I am not even going to get started on the mistakes in the Nazi uniforms, because well, Millennium is ‘special’.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:26 pm
It's pretty obvious that "symbol" appears and disappears at his volition, same with his change of clothing in the Manga, as well.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:37 pm
MercifulShahrazad It's pretty obvious that "symbol" appears and disappears at his volition, same with his change of clothing in the Manga, as well. Yes, but there has to be a deeper more complicated explenation. Read the first page, Sir Catherine shared some interesting ideas, that I agree with.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:54 pm
MercifulShahrazad It's pretty obvious that "symbol" appears and disappears at his volition, same with his change of clothing in the Manga, as well.
If anything was "obvious", I don't think we'd have the reams of pages of debate that we do in this guild. rolleyes
Your opinion is not without merit though; I do agree it seems he has control of his outward appearance. The way I view the symbology of the sigils however, leads me to think there is more to the matter than Alucard's whims.
@ Teesex
Are you saying the OVA sequence doesn't show Alucard's tears?
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Sir_Catherine Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:02 pm
Sir_Catherine MercifulShahrazad It's pretty obvious that "symbol" appears and disappears at his volition, same with his change of clothing in the Manga, as well.
Your opinion is not without merit though; I do agree it seems he has control of his outward appearance. The way I view the symbology of the sigils however, leads me to think there is more to the matter than Alucard's whims.
Dita Von Teese Yes, but there has to be a deeper more complicated explenation. Read the first page, Sir Catherine shared some interesting ideas, that I agree with. HIVEMIND
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:21 pm
Sir_Catherine MercifulShahrazad It's pretty obvious that "symbol" appears and disappears at his volition, same with his change of clothing in the Manga, as well.
If anything was "obvious", I don't think we'd have the reams of pages of debate that we do in this guild. rolleyes
Your opinion is not without merit though; I do agree it seems he has control of his outward appearance. The way I view the symbology of the sigils however, leads me to think there is more to the matter than Alucard's whims.
@ Teesex
Are you saying the OVA sequence doesn't show Alucard's tears?The OVA DOES show Alucard's tears, and his annoyance at them. Quote: My reading of the video clip is that because this is a dream, it is a reflection of Alucard's past from the point of view of his present self. His present self is bound and even in his dreams he is thus connected to Hellsing and the human world. The glove, visible in a dream showing his past, is the symbol of this. If he does have power over the presence or absence of the symbol, then is it in the dream to make it a nightmare? Isn't that saying alot about his feelings towards Hellsing? This is the problem I have with it being a simple 'mistakes'. If he does have power over it, then the absence or presence of the symbol should mean that there IS more to the matter. I personally tend to think that he doesn't have alot of power over this, as it leaves room to many possible theories and analyses. Maybe a time limit?
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Sir_Catherine Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:35 pm
xDita Von Teesex Sir_Catherine MercifulShahrazad It's pretty obvious that "symbol" appears and disappears at his volition, same with his change of clothing in the Manga, as well.
If anything was "obvious", I don't think we'd have the reams of pages of debate that we do in this guild. rolleyes
Your opinion is not without merit though; I do agree it seems he has control of his outward appearance. The way I view the symbology of the sigils however, leads me to think there is more to the matter than Alucard's whims.
@ Teesex
Are you saying the OVA sequence doesn't show Alucard's tears?The OVA DOES show Alucard's tears, and his annoyance at them. Quote: My reading of the video clip is that because this is a dream, it is a reflection of Alucard's past from the point of view of his present self. His present self is bound and even in his dreams he is thus connected to Hellsing and the human world. The glove, visible in a dream showing his past, is the symbol of this. If he does have power over the presence or absence of the symbol, then is it in the dream to make it a nightmare? Isn't that saying alot about his feelings towards Hellsing? This is the problem I have with it being a simple 'mistakes'. If he does have power over it, then the absence or presence of the symbol should mean that there IS more to the matter. I personally tend to think that he doesn't have alot of power over this, as it leaves room to many possible theories and analyses. Maybe a time limit?
To try and sort out my thoughts on the sigils, let's separate waking moments from his dreaming ones. I can see him having some limited control over the appearance of his gloves while awake. This would play on his ability to control how people view him, and be why I see some merit in Shahrazad's opinion. I wonder if there is a base form he must return to? Would this base form be the red one we see him in most, or the bondagecard leather form we see while he is in the dungeon? I believe he has the sigils upon his gloves while in the cell.
As you agreed though, it just feels right for their to be more of an explanation in all this. In the instance of his dreaming, my earlier thoughts come into play. You've already read them through though, so I wont repeat myself. smile
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:48 pm
The annoyance is the fact that the pentagram appears in the OVA, and that if it where a mistake that it was there... it's rather odd that the creators missed it.
Afterall, Alot of times goes into one small chunk of animation there.. You'd think they'd have caught that.
*shrugs*
Still, I think it's a mistake....
As for Alucard's... I dunno, base form... That's a good question. =/
Although the bondagecard thing is a restraint suit when Integra finds him, it's also level 1 on the restrictions, I believe... So I would say that normalcard is the one with the most control over power output....
Afterall, he loses the hat, the gloves, lets the coat hang over his shoulders, then when we go any further his outfit changes to bondagecard.... If we go any further then that, of course, he goes Vladcard on us and all restrictions are lifted....
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