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 Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:43 am
Barsona Ophiuchus [as Kira is the perfect coordinator, and is also a NewType. wait, wtf? when did they say in SEED or in SEED Destiny that Kira is a newtype? coordinator~enhanced humans are not newtypes, but they can exhibit newtype-like ability, according to UC law. Or are we just ******** with UC law? Or did Spring Break take a tole on my Gundam Factoid part of the brain (replaced with Smithsonian and National Archieve stuff)? as well ophi and angel__tear, don't take that guy seriously.... he is just being an idiot just give him the silent treatment Kira is the ONLY coordinator to have an NT flash in both Seed and Destiny. Raw has an NT flash in the final few episodes while fighting him, kinda like a hint. Then, in Destiny, Kira gets the flash when activating his Dragoon syste. Though at this time Dragoons do not require NewTypes, the flash does go off.
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:10 am
but does flash=NT?
To me, the flashes, both in UC and in CE, are merely like "Oh s**t" type moments.
The NT ability special is because they are literally esper (sp?)
Like they can feel ppl from distances away, communicate via in the head, predict the future if it need to go that far
It is b/c of those reasons that new types are high reflex
Kira is just has high reflex just b/c he is super coordinator.
I mean, it can be said that Kira is a computer, and therefore, can control the goons b/c of that. A super computer controlling it's OS
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:04 am
I'd speculate the Dragoons are second generation, pilotable by even a human. But the NT flash ONLY shows up in CE when NewTypes are sensing something. There's no doubt he's a NewType.
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:30 pm
heero from wing
kira from gundam destiny
shinn from destiny
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:37 am
Ophiuchus I'd speculate the Dragoons are second generation, pilotable by even a human. But the NT flash ONLY shows up in CE when NewTypes are sensing something. There's no doubt he's a NewType. I disagree. He is no newtype. At least, not a natural born one. I'd say Mwu La Fraga fits in more with a natural newtype. I'd go as far as to say that Kira is more like a Cyber-Newtype than anything. Since his genes were manipulated and manufactured. -Edit All you have to do is compare what a newtype from the UC timeline is like and compare it with any indiscrepancy to this to find out what is really there and isnt.
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:23 am
Sea Salt Ophiuchus I'd speculate the Dragoons are second generation, pilotable by even a human. But the NT flash ONLY shows up in CE when NewTypes are sensing something. There's no doubt he's a NewType. I disagree. He is no newtype. At least, not a natural born one. I'd say Mwu La Fraga fits in more with a natural newtype. Of course, Kira, Rau and Rey were not naturally born at all. Think before speaking. wink
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:46 pm
Ophiuchus Sea Salt Ophiuchus I'd speculate the Dragoons are second generation, pilotable by even a human. But the NT flash ONLY shows up in CE when NewTypes are sensing something. There's no doubt he's a NewType. I disagree. He is no newtype. At least, not a natural born one. I'd say Mwu La Fraga fits in more with a natural newtype. Of course, Kira, Rau and Rey were not naturally born at all. Think before speaking. wink Sorry, but I was pretty sure a lot of people didnt know this. This strengthens my point: Newtypes are supposed to be naturally born/manifested. Otherwise, they aren't newtypes. At least that's how it is told in the UC Timeline.
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:26 pm
Sea Salt Ophiuchus Sea Salt Ophiuchus I'd speculate the Dragoons are second generation, pilotable by even a human. But the NT flash ONLY shows up in CE when NewTypes are sensing something. There's no doubt he's a NewType. I disagree. He is no newtype. At least, not a natural born one. I'd say Mwu La Fraga fits in more with a natural newtype. Of course, Kira, Rau and Rey were not naturally born at all. Think before speaking. wink Sorry, but I was pretty sure a lot of people didnt know this. This strengthens my point: Newtypes are supposed to be naturally born/manifested. Otherwise, they aren't newtypes. At least that's how it is told in the UC Timeline. Ah, but in CE.... Kira was genetically modified to be the ultimate human. His latent NT abilities could be "implanted", sorta like UC's cyber newtypes, but without the mental conditioning and drugs... Rau and Rey are clones of a NewType, retaining those abilities.
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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:59 pm
Ophiuchus Sea Salt Ophiuchus Sea Salt Ophiuchus I'd speculate the Dragoons are second generation, pilotable by even a human. But the NT flash ONLY shows up in CE when NewTypes are sensing something. There's no doubt he's a NewType. I disagree. He is no newtype. At least, not a natural born one. I'd say Mwu La Fraga fits in more with a natural newtype. Of course, Kira, Rau and Rey were not naturally born at all. Think before speaking. wink Sorry, but I was pretty sure a lot of people didnt know this. This strengthens my point: Newtypes are supposed to be naturally born/manifested. Otherwise, they aren't newtypes. At least that's how it is told in the UC Timeline. Ah, but in CE.... Kira was genetically modified to be the ultimate human. His latent NT abilities could be "implanted", sorta like UC's cyber newtypes, but without the mental conditioning and drugs... Rau and Rey are clones of a NewType, retaining those abilities. I believe the saying here is. "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts". This is starting to sound much like the debates about the Gundam W pilots being newtypes. All you would have to do is compare the UC newtypes to the CE Coordinators and you'd see that they are nowhere alike. Newtypes sense their surrounding areas, whether when battling or just kicking back and relaxing. Last I checked, neither Rau, Rey, or Kira ever did any sensing out of battle. Why do you think every newtypes feels at home in space? It's because their mind can expand outward, unlimited by the enclosure of the earth. No CE pilot ever is concerned with whether being on earth or in space. That's just being dramatic about it though. There are simpler instances to illustrate my point further.
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:06 am
Actually, Rau does do some sort of sensing in seed (First Episode, talking to himself asking if Mwu could feel his presence, which was a rather LAME copy of Char's "Amuro, i'm doing something incredibly wicked. If you're nearby, feel my presence" line, as does "Neo" (Mwu) in destiny when Rey attacks him.
Think of those in CE as the lower level NewTypes in UC, the ones that weren't on-par with Camille, Amuro, Char.... You know, NT4 or less.
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:29 am
Ophiuchus Actually, Rau does do some sort of sensing in seed (First Episode, talking to himself asking if Mwu could feel his presence, which was a rather LAME copy of Char's "Amuro, i'm doing something incredibly wicked. If you're nearby, feel my presence" line, as does "Neo" (Mwu) in destiny when Rey attacks him. Think of those in CE as the lower level NewTypes in UC, the ones that weren't on-par with Camille, Amuro, Char.... You know, NT4 or less. Even though that was a "homage" to the Char and Amuro type conflict, I saw it as more of a twin-type bond instance. Since twins are known to feel each other more in mind than any other pairing of siblings. Rau and Mwu are practically twins in their genetic makeup and appearence.
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:54 pm
Sea Salt Ophiuchus Actually, Rau does do some sort of sensing in seed (First Episode, talking to himself asking if Mwu could feel his presence, which was a rather LAME copy of Char's "Amuro, i'm doing something incredibly wicked. If you're nearby, feel my presence" line, as does "Neo" (Mwu) in destiny when Rey attacks him. Think of those in CE as the lower level NewTypes in UC, the ones that weren't on-par with Camille, Amuro, Char.... You know, NT4 or less. Even though that was a "homage" to the Char and Amuro type conflict, I saw it as more of a twin-type bond instance. Since twins are known to feel each other more in mind than any other pairing of siblings. Rau and Mwu are practically twins in their genetic makeup and appearence. Those bonds are made in the womb. Rau and Mwu did not share the womb together. Infact, Mwu was already born when Rau was made.
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:47 pm
Ophiuchus Sea Salt Ophiuchus Actually, Rau does do some sort of sensing in seed (First Episode, talking to himself asking if Mwu could feel his presence, which was a rather LAME copy of Char's "Amuro, i'm doing something incredibly wicked. If you're nearby, feel my presence" line, as does "Neo" (Mwu) in destiny when Rey attacks him. Think of those in CE as the lower level NewTypes in UC, the ones that weren't on-par with Camille, Amuro, Char.... You know, NT4 or less. Even though that was a "homage" to the Char and Amuro type conflict, I saw it as more of a twin-type bond instance. Since twins are known to feel each other more in mind than any other pairing of siblings. Rau and Mwu are practically twins in their genetic makeup and appearence. Those bonds are made in the womb. Rau and Mwu did not share the womb together. Infact, Mwu was already born when Rau was made. No I'm sure it's more this way. How would Ray Za Burrel have known who Kira Yamato was...and exactly remember him as Rau La Cruze did? even true Newtypes lack this ability.
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:48 am
Sea Salt Ophiuchus Sea Salt Ophiuchus Actually, Rau does do some sort of sensing in seed (First Episode, talking to himself asking if Mwu could feel his presence, which was a rather LAME copy of Char's "Amuro, i'm doing something incredibly wicked. If you're nearby, feel my presence" line, as does "Neo" (Mwu) in destiny when Rey attacks him. Think of those in CE as the lower level NewTypes in UC, the ones that weren't on-par with Camille, Amuro, Char.... You know, NT4 or less. Even though that was a "homage" to the Char and Amuro type conflict, I saw it as more of a twin-type bond instance. Since twins are known to feel each other more in mind than any other pairing of siblings. Rau and Mwu are practically twins in their genetic makeup and appearence. Those bonds are made in the womb. Rau and Mwu did not share the womb together. Infact, Mwu was already born when Rau was made. No I'm sure it's more this way. How would Ray Za Burrel have known who Kira Yamato was...and exactly remember him as Rau La Cruze did? even true Newtypes lack this ability. Ray didn't. Ray just had information, such as Kira being the "ultimate" being, which seems at this point to be common knowledge. Ray was told he was Rau by Durandal. It's not like Ray can recall battles Rau had.
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:06 pm
Ophiuchus Sea Salt Ophiuchus Sea Salt Ophiuchus Actually, Rau does do some sort of sensing in seed (First Episode, talking to himself asking if Mwu could feel his presence, which was a rather LAME copy of Char's "Amuro, i'm doing something incredibly wicked. If you're nearby, feel my presence" line, as does "Neo" (Mwu) in destiny when Rey attacks him. Think of those in CE as the lower level NewTypes in UC, the ones that weren't on-par with Camille, Amuro, Char.... You know, NT4 or less. Even though that was a "homage" to the Char and Amuro type conflict, I saw it as more of a twin-type bond instance. Since twins are known to feel each other more in mind than any other pairing of siblings. Rau and Mwu are practically twins in their genetic makeup and appearence. Those bonds are made in the womb. Rau and Mwu did not share the womb together. Infact, Mwu was already born when Rau was made. No I'm sure it's more this way. How would Ray Za Burrel have known who Kira Yamato was...and exactly remember him as Rau La Cruze did? even true Newtypes lack this ability. Ray didn't. Ray just had information, such as Kira being the "ultimate" being, which seems at this point to be common knowledge. Ray was told he was Rau by Durandal. It's not like Ray can recall battles Rau had. Yet Ray knew who Rau was and what he had grown through? If I remember correctly, he knew all of this and was forced to act the part by Durandal for PLANT.
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