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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:08 am
Excellent Liz! I wondered what happened to you.
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:03 pm
Yeah, I decided to drop down to just one small roleplay while my laptop was gone, but when I get it back, I'll be able to reply to just about everything.
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 6:14 am
I don't even know if people still check this thing or chat on here, but I still think that this RP would take off if we went in the forums for a little bit. That's always been a really successful move for my RPs. The ones I didn't move to a forum at one point or the other seemed to flounder after awhile.
Taking a story to the forum for a little bit can not only bring in new RPers, but it also brings in fresh ideas and perspectives. What do you think, Chris?
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:11 pm
A reboot of Spektral will require a lot of planning, especially if there's a specific plot in mind. You can't set up something and hope people chance towards it.
A fresh start would be nice though, to get some better people in the story. More active, more long-term, and with the length of Chris's post, more literate.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 7:12 pm
Ever since the last time we posted in here, I've been tapped on ideas for a damn good plot to Spektral. Especially one that is long lasting. I don't know what it is, but I feel like I've forgotten how to tap into that creative stream of consciousness that we all feel as roleplayers, and as writers. You all know it. It's that ethereal oasis with the colorful rainbow of wildflowers and a mercury colored pool that we call 'imagination' and and full of ideas and inspiration, with a sky that is dark and light at the same exact time, and a sun that is eclipsed night and day, but doesn't cause blindness.
Yes, I still have a way of painting a picture with my word's, but nothing centralized and lasting in terms of a story. Liz and I tried to create a roleplay called "The Lost Sword" a while ago, but it didn't last and nobody really got into it. Within that story, I was going to some of the idea's that I had for Spektral, but it didn't work.
Something tells me that a lot of our friends are outgrowing Gaia, and the user base is starting to get smaller and smaller.
And didn't we do that before? Take Spektral to the forums, where it didn't take off?
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 8:32 pm
You might just be trying too hard and overthinking the situation.
I firmly believe that if you're going to begin a roleplay, then one must remove themselves from the story and focus on how the potential roleplayers are going to interact and participate with the setting.
There's two things I've learned to avoid doing in my roleplays: > I can never be both the dungeon master, AND the "main character" or any sort of primary protagonist. I must leave the sense of exploration to my roleplayers, and if none of them step up or display the potential, then I must also pose as some sort of antagonist. > The best I can do is to have as much information at hand, set up the initial conflict, and let things roll off from there. I can never railroad a plot into happening if the other characters are evolving into a different direction, but I CAN continue to build the world around them and set up consequences for their actions.
Now, your concern about the userbase of Gaia shrinking - it's not, there's more people on Gaia than ever. It's just the many of our mutual friends have grown up, and have grown-up responsibilities to attend to. We who are left are the ones who have emotional investments in this website, who continue to come back because we have decided to make time.
It will do us no good to wistfully wish for the others, what's best for Spektral now, in my own singular opinion, is to go forth and make new friends, and to learn from what didn't work here and try to amend things for a future reboot.
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:22 am
I actually don't ever remember Spektral being in the forums, at least not since I've been here. I know we talked seriously about it, but I don't think it ever happened.
And I agree with Liz. In order for Spektral to thrive, we need to make new friends. There are still lots of people on Gaia and still some great, mature RPers. We just have to be willing to branch out, reach out. I think the forums would be great for that. Sure, we could make an OoC/discussion thread there or a recruitment one. My own personal feeling, though, and my own personal experiences has shown that RPs seem to be more successful and last longer if they at least try venturing into the forums. People are more likely to join if they can see what's being RPed out. But again, that's just my opinion, and the final decision definitely doesn't rest with me.
But let us lead it at first. We have 3 strong RPers who all want this to succeed. Let us show other people what the story is about and why it's so cool as we RP it out. They see it, they'll want to join. We have to be the foundation in the beginning.
As for plot, I think Spektral seems to flourish when we focus on the school setting. When we branch away from it, RPers seem to get lost or just lose interest. I mean at its core, in my opinion, Spektral is a school-based RP. It seems like ever since we started straying from that, we've lost RPers and interest.
Now, that's not to say we don't need a big, overlying plot to everything that might not be school based. If we had no plot, then again people lose interest. And it's hard to make a school RP last if there's not a big plot to it that doesn't really relate directly with the school. But I think the majority of the RPing and working toward the plot should take place in the school setting.
I'm willing to make one or a couple of teacher NPCs. I don't mind playing a teacher anymore. I don't plan on making them a main character, but I can make one or two that will lead classes. School RPs seem to work better when there are people RPing the teachers.
And I'm not saying we should start from scratch. I think that if we or someone else wants to, we should be able to keep our character(s) and their back story. I don't think any of the characters are the problem. I think the characters are fantastic and some of the best I've ever seen. I think they're our strength in the RP, along with Chris and his devotion and creativity. I think it's just the way we approach the RP and the plot needs to be tweaked.
Yes, I know, this is long, but ah well. It's just ideas I've been having since I've come back. And even before I left, Spektral was the only RP I was still interested in. That says something for it. There's something in it (in my opinion, the characters) that keeps pulling a few of us back. We know quality when we see it and are drawn to it. We need to let others see it.
I'm just going to throw out possible plots just to get the ball rolling. Maybe it will break away some of what's blocking you, Chris.
So, I still want to keep my character, Amy, and still have her be a student. But also, like I said, I'm willing to make some teacher NPCs. So, why not start with a new school year? Especially during the summer, school RPs seem to be popular in the forums. And maybe go back to making it like an X-Men, magic-based school. That's what drew me initially when I first joined Spektral waaaaaaaay back when. It was like the X-Men and the school for the gifted, only so much better.
So maybe we start off with just a regular school setting, back at Spektral, and go about RPing out school days and evening activities. Like have after-school events that give RPers a chance to post their character's abilities. It would also provide opportunities for all the characters to meet each other, if they want, and socialize. That way, hopefully no RPer will feel left out and quit. Maybe some dances, a magical creatures class always seems to be really popular and I can do the NPC teacher for that if we decide to do it. There could also be group parties after school, picnics... basically treat it like it's the freshman year of college for students. Start right off the bat with a lot of activities scheduled on the first day of school so there will be so many possibilities for not only the characters to interact with one another but also for RPers to meet each other through their characters. Don't leave an opportunity for someone to feel left out. I've always had RPers come to me with that complaint at one time or another. And if one person is feeling it, you can bet others are, and then it just snowballs until you can't seem to fix it.
And don't just build up to the events and put so much planning into it that it never happens. Do it right off the bat, the first day. Like I said, it'd be almost like a freshman orientation-type thing only for the whole school. Side note, Amy will hate it. lol!! But she'd still participate b/c she knows it'd be important to Allen. There will probably be other characters if we get new RPers that would have their characters be reluctant to join, but that would probably just be their characters. I think the RPers would love it. Interaction is key.
As for an overlying plot... threats to the school itself always seem to go over well. And a BIIIIG thing that I always see destroy RPs: don't make the threat about one main character! Make it about an entity. Making it about one or a couple of characters instantly makes others feel isolated and insulted. Like with Dragons, yeah Kagome and Emerson were the Twin Azure Dragons, but I tried to put just as much focus and importance on the Guardians. I wanted everyone to feel important. That's why I made them GUARDIANS and future leaders of their own country on Azura. Guardians are almost more important than the main superhero b/c the hero wouldn't be able to do what they do w/out their protectors or friends. The friends/protectors make up the core of a story, in my opinion. And everyone feels important then.
And, I didn't make the main plots about one person.. well, other than the villain. I made it about threats to planets, first Earth and then Azura. I think these are some of the reasons Dragons last so long. Everyone felt important and the main plot was focused on an entity, not a person. Everyone could and wanted to participate.
So, why not a threat to the school? I know we've done that before, but so? Do it again. It was popular during that plot where Spektral was threatened. That was in its heyday. I repeated a basic plot for the 2nd chapter of Dragons b/c the 1st chapter was so popular. People didn't care. Give them what they want. smile Make some big differences to the different aspects of the plot, but keep it the same if it works.
A big threat to Spektral. It usually should be a big evil character. Chris, you play them so well! I love it when you're the main bad character but also one of the main good characters, like Allen or Phantom. But don't shove the plot along at the beginning. Like, maybe introduce a little bit at a time, but let all the characters get to know each other in the beginning. Let the RP be about that in the beginning. Don't drive that. Introduce opportunities for everyone to meet and then sit back when we have RPers and let them drive the story for awhile.
Then as the story progresses, introduce the threat. But don't throw everything in all at once. Introduce it gradually. Make people wonder about it and really want to keep coming back to learn anything they can about what's coming up.
Phew!!! So those are my ideas so far.
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:42 am
I'm going to make just an example of an intro post/description of a new chapter that I hope will get us all back in the mind set. I in no way mean for it to be the permanent introductory post. That should definitely go to Chris. smile But I'm thinking that maybe if I put my ideas into an example intro post, it will come across better than my huge wall of text above and might get the ball rolling. smile
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:41 pm
Alright, now that we got pretty much an outline going, we ought to have one day this month or at least dedicate one day each week to planning. I purchased a guild chat space for 100k a long time ago, that would be perfect for coming up with ideas whenever we have meetings or are all online at the same time.
One day within these next two weeks, we ought to plan a mastermind jam session the topic being the first events of the first act of Spektral.
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:37 am
Emphasis is mine. Anything in red are my thoughts. Cuwen I actually don't ever remember Spektral being in the forums, at least not since I've been here. I know we talked seriously about it, but I don't think it ever happened. And I agree with Liz. In order for Spektral to thrive, we need to make new friends. There are still lots of people on Gaia and still some great, mature RPers. We just have to be willing to branch out, reach out. I think the forums would be great for that. Sure, we could make an OoC/discussion thread there or a recruitment one. My own personal feeling, though, and my own personal experiences has shown that RPs seem to be more successful and last longer if they at least try venturing into the forums. People are more likely to join if they can see what's being RPed out. But again, that's just my opinion, and the final decision definitely doesn't rest with me. There's SO many more Gaians in the forums than in the guilds! It's about the size of the pool, you know!But let us lead it at first. We have 3 strong RPers who all want this to succeed. Let us show other people what the story is about and why it's so cool as we RP it out. They see it, they'll want to join. We have to be the foundation in the beginning. As for plot, I think Spektral seems to flourish when we focus on the school setting. When we branch away from it, RPers seem to get lost or just lose interest. I mean at its core, in my opinion, Spektral is a school-based RP. It seems like ever since we started straying from that, we've lost RPers and interest. Gotta keep to the genre, you know. If the twist is that Spektral isn't really a school, then you've got to let roleplayers know beforehand. People don't like having their fantasies turned upside down without warning. A little foreshadowing here, an ominous description there.... it goes a long way.Now, that's not to say we don't need a big, overlying plot to everything that might not be school based. If we had no plot, then again people lose interest. And it's hard to make a school RP last if there's not a big plot to it that doesn't really relate directly with the school. But I think the majority of the RPing and working toward the plot should take place in the school setting. I'm willing to make one or a couple of teacher NPCs. I don't mind playing a teacher anymore. I don't plan on making them a main character, but I can make one or two that will lead classes. School RPs seem to work better when there are people RPing the teachers. [[ ]] I WILL TOTALLY BE A TEACHER IF CHRIS LETS ME.And I'm not saying we should start from scratch. I think that if we or someone else wants to, we should be able to keep our character(s) and their back story. I don't think any of the characters are the problem. I think the characters are fantastic and some of the best I've ever seen. I think they're our strength in the RP, along with Chris and his devotion and creativity. I think it's just the way we approach the RP and the plot needs to be tweaked.True facts.Yes, I know, this is long, but ah well. It's just ideas I've been having since I've come back. And even before I left, Spektral was the only RP I was still interested in. That says something for it. There's something in it (in my opinion, the characters) that keeps pulling a few of us back. We know quality when we see it and are drawn to it. We need to let others see it. I'm just going to throw out possible plots just to get the ball rolling. Maybe it will break away some of what's blocking you, Chris. So, I still want to keep my character, Amy, and still have her be a student. But also, like I said, I'm willing to make some teacher NPCs. So, why not start with a new school year? Especially during the summer, school RPs seem to be popular in the forums. And maybe go back to making it like an X-Men, magic-based school. That's what drew me initially when I first joined Spektral waaaaaaaay back when. It was like the X-Men and the school for the gifted, only so much better. So maybe we start off with just a regular school setting, back at Spektral, and go about RPing out school days and evening activities. Like have after-school events that give RPers a chance to post their character's abilities. It would also provide opportunities for all the characters to meet each other, if they want, and socialize. That way, hopefully no RPer will feel left out and quit. Maybe some dances, a magical creatures class always seems to be really popular and I can do the NPC teacher for that if we decide to do it. There could also be group parties after school, picnics... basically treat it like it's the freshman year of college for students. Start right off the bat with a lot of activities scheduled on the first day of school so there will be so many possibilities for not only the characters to interact with one another but also for RPers to meet each other through their characters. Don't leave an opportunity for someone to feel left out. I've always had RPers come to me with that complaint at one time or another. And if one person is feeling it, you can bet others are, and then it just snowballs until you can't seem to fix it. Encourage shipping. Ship ALL the ships, (But that's just me)And don't just build up to the events and put so much planning into it that it never happens. Do it right off the bat, the first day. Like I said, it'd be almost like a freshman orientation-type thing only for the whole school. Side note, Amy will hate it. lol!! But she'd still participate b/c she knows it'd be important to Allen. There will probably be other characters if we get new RPers that would have their characters be reluctant to join, but that would probably just be their characters. I think the RPers would love it. Interaction is key. This, this, this, this, THIS!! Chris, you don't even know how many times this has killed me!! And it could kill you too - you should NEVER put so much planning into something that you neglect the overall needs of a story.
 As for an overlying plot... threats to the school itself always seem to go over well. And a BIIIIG thing that I always see destroy RPs: don't make the threat about one main character! Make it about an entity. Making it about one or a couple of characters instantly makes others feel isolated and insulted. Like with Dragons, yeah Kagome and Emerson were the Twin Azure Dragons, but I tried to put just as much focus and importance on the Guardians. I wanted everyone to feel important. That's why I made them GUARDIANS and future leaders of their own country on Azura. Guardians are almost more important than the main superhero b/c the hero wouldn't be able to do what they do w/out their protectors or friends. The friends/protectors make up the core of a story, in my opinion. And everyone feels important then.. If you ever make the roleplay center around a specific person, you are a terrible terrible person and you need to change your ways. The story is never about the person who made it, ever.And, I didn't make the main plots about one person.. well, other than the villain. I made it about threats to planets, first Earth and then Azura. I think these are some of the reasons Dragons last so long. Everyone felt important and the main plot was focused on an entity, not a person. Everyone could and wanted to participate. But that's permissible, and she had multiple villains too so it's all good.So, why not a threat to the school? I know we've done that before, but so? Do it again. It was popular during that plot where Spektral was threatened. That was in its heyday. I repeated a basic plot for the 2nd chapter of Dragons b/c the 1st chapter was so popular. People didn't care. Give them what they want. smile Make some big differences to the different aspects of the plot, but keep it the same if it works. A big threat to Spektral. It usually should be a big evil character. Chris, you play them so well! I love it when you're the main bad character but also one of the main good characters, like Allen or Phantom. But don't shove the plot along at the beginning. Like, maybe introduce a little bit at a time, but let all the characters get to know each other in the beginning. Let the RP be about that in the beginning. Don't drive that. Introduce opportunities for everyone to meet and then sit back when we have RPers and let them drive the story for awhile.Do not be a railroading dungeon/game master. Give the players opportunities to discover bigger pieces of the plot, and if they don't take them, don't say anything and keep moving.Then as the story progresses, introduce the threat. But don't throw everything in all at once. Introduce it gradually. Make people wonder about it and really want to keep coming back to learn anything they can about what's coming up. Phew!!! So those are my ideas so far.
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:12 pm
Will respond soon, but I immediately saw those gifs and loved them!!!
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:51 pm
Thanks for responding to all my main points, Lizz! It's good to hear detailed feedback and see if I'm on the same thread with everyone else or not. And it gets us all talking.
And Chris, guild chats are 100k??? Wow! That's expensive. I thought they were 50k at the beginning. Dang. I could definitely see chatting as a good way to throw out our ideas. The only problem I could see with that, though, is that we won't have a way to save our conv, will we? I mean, I like having posts on here so I can come back and remind myself of different things we talked about from time to time, make sure I'm still going in the direction we all agreed on. I like refreshing myself on a story from time to time. A big problem I had with my own RPs in the past is that I didn't keep detailed records of what I wanted the story to be about or the goals I wanted. So I easily got sidetracked. If we keep our ideas posted so we can see them whenever we want to, we might stay on track better. Or does guild chat offer a way to save conversations?
So, to start off with, do we all agree that maybe we should start off right on the first day of school, like when students are coming up the walkway toward the school? All three of our characters and any NPC teachers we play could be in Allen's office watching everyone walk in and talk about it. Or, should we start off with an all-school activity first? That might be hard, though, since we'd probably need more RPers for that. I just thought all of the current characters being up in Allen's office talking about new students coming in might be a nice, soft intro and not intimidating. It would give new people a chance to come in and start, being okay feeling new since their character will also be new in the story.
And just a thought on the main plot... Well, actually, I don't know, yet, about a main plot, but I just had an idea about a sub plot. What about ghosts in Spektral? biggrin Not like the ones in Harry Potter, but like ones that are mostly in the school's attic, basement, and near the forest? Vengeful ones that can be dangerous, vengeful ones that are angry and jealous of the living? Just a thought I'm throwing out there.
And since I mentioned the idea of a magical creatures class, can I volunteer to create one and be the teacher for it? Would anyone mind that? I think that'd be a cool class.
Oh! And we should so have a big dinner that first night with a dance to follow. Great chance for interaction. I have some friends I'd like to tell about the RP, but they'd only check it out once we have it up and going so they can see what it'll be like.
And so far, I'm free most evenings this week. I've been really sick, so I haven't been able to do any activities or go walking with friends. After this week, I walk with friends on Tuesday and Thursday evenings from 6:30 until 8. But other than that I'm still free. smile
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:40 pm
That's a very similar plot device to Mystic Fountain - the main plot is triggered by the presence of a nest of ghouls that have taken over the basement. Also, we started one month into the school year, the thread beginning with the homecoming dance.
Sometimes it's more interesting to start further in, maybe at a winter dance or Valentine's Day, or even just right after the first day ends. The first-day-of-school intro scenes can take forever...
-still really wants to play an unlikeable jackass teacher-
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:03 am
It is? I don't remember that plot. I was just thinking ghosts b/c Spektral's been through so much and been destroyed and built up again so many times that there's got to be some bad energy and spirits left over that want to cause harm. At first I was going to suggest old students that were killed, but that would be going too far, and I'd never want to do something that would suggest past characters would turn evil if they died. That is just way too morbid. So I just thought that random energy and spirits would be good.
And starting in the middle of the year could work, too... I just don't want new RPers to find it hard to start or feel like they have to know what's going on in order to be able to start in the RP. That's my only concern.
And having a hated teacher character would be hilarious. lol! Amy might end up admiring him. LOL!
Hmm... What other small plots could we do?
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:55 pm
Too morbid??
Let me get the gif for that.

Excellent.
They don't have to be past established characters, but that sort of drama would be good. People become ghosts when they have unfinished business, so a school surrounded by several dozen anguished and angry ghosts seeking some form of closure and vengeance?
That's good s**t right there.

I DEMAND BLOOD, GUTS, TEARS, AND MORAL UNCERTAINTY.
T H E D A R K L O R D D E M A N D S Y O U R S U F F E R I N G A N D W R E T C H E D P L E A S
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