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 Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:22 am
Sea Salt Ophiuchus Sea Salt Ophiuchus Sea Salt Ophiuchus Actually, Rau does do some sort of sensing in seed (First Episode, talking to himself asking if Mwu could feel his presence, which was a rather LAME copy of Char's "Amuro, i'm doing something incredibly wicked. If you're nearby, feel my presence" line, as does "Neo" (Mwu) in destiny when Rey attacks him. Think of those in CE as the lower level NewTypes in UC, the ones that weren't on-par with Camille, Amuro, Char.... You know, NT4 or less. Even though that was a "homage" to the Char and Amuro type conflict, I saw it as more of a twin-type bond instance. Since twins are known to feel each other more in mind than any other pairing of siblings. Rau and Mwu are practically twins in their genetic makeup and appearence. Those bonds are made in the womb. Rau and Mwu did not share the womb together. Infact, Mwu was already born when Rau was made. No I'm sure it's more this way. How would Ray Za Burrel have known who Kira Yamato was...and exactly remember him as Rau La Cruze did? even true Newtypes lack this ability. Ray didn't. Ray just had information, such as Kira being the "ultimate" being, which seems at this point to be common knowledge. Ray was told he was Rau by Durandal. It's not like Ray can recall battles Rau had. Yet Ray knew who Rau was and what he had grown through? If I remember correctly, he knew all of this and was forced to act the part by Durandal for PLANT. Ray knew who Rau was because they were introduced to each other. Ray was younger than Rau, so in a way was a closer match for "twin" than Mwu was, seeing as Rau and Rey are actually clones of his father...
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:04 am
Ophiuchus Sea Salt Ophiuchus Sea Salt Ophiuchus Those bonds are made in the womb. Rau and Mwu did not share the womb together. Infact, Mwu was already born when Rau was made. No I'm sure it's more this way. How would Ray Za Burrel have known who Kira Yamato was...and exactly remember him as Rau La Cruze did? even true Newtypes lack this ability. Ray didn't. Ray just had information, such as Kira being the "ultimate" being, which seems at this point to be common knowledge. Ray was told he was Rau by Durandal. It's not like Ray can recall battles Rau had. Yet Ray knew who Rau was and what he had grown through? If I remember correctly, he knew all of this and was forced to act the part by Durandal for PLANT. Ray knew who Rau was because they were introduced to each other. Ray was younger than Rau, so in a way was a closer match for "twin" than Mwu was, seeing as Rau and Rey are actually clones of his father... Which somewhat proves my point lol Mwu would then be more of a newtype type than anyone in SEED...Though we know from all this that they aren't there...at least not the newtypes we know.
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:21 pm
Sea Salt Ophiuchus Sea Salt Ophiuchus Sea Salt Ophiuchus Those bonds are made in the womb. Rau and Mwu did not share the womb together. Infact, Mwu was already born when Rau was made. No I'm sure it's more this way. How would Ray Za Burrel have known who Kira Yamato was...and exactly remember him as Rau La Cruze did? even true Newtypes lack this ability. Ray didn't. Ray just had information, such as Kira being the "ultimate" being, which seems at this point to be common knowledge. Ray was told he was Rau by Durandal. It's not like Ray can recall battles Rau had. Yet Ray knew who Rau was and what he had grown through? If I remember correctly, he knew all of this and was forced to act the part by Durandal for PLANT. Ray knew who Rau was because they were introduced to each other. Ray was younger than Rau, so in a way was a closer match for "twin" than Mwu was, seeing as Rau and Rey are actually clones of his father... Which somewhat proves my point lol Mwu would then be more of a newtype type than anyone in SEED...Though we know from all this that they aren't there...at least not the newtypes we know. As I said, they're lower-level NewTypes. They aren't the "Gods of battle" we see in UC. But we know that in Seed, it's stated that the Moebius Zero was used in a battle at the same time as the Strike, and as Mwu is the ONLY one who can operate its Gunbarrels, Mwu could NOT have been piloting the Strike. Although Gunbarrels are rather like Incoms, they seem to require the "special factor" for someone to operate them, the only other person who could do this being the gunbarrel dagger pilot, Rau and then in destiny, Ray, though at this point they'd created the second generation Dragoon system, that lets even a natural use them, it doesn't negate the fact that before this time, pilots needed something special~ The ONLY pilot to not fit into this pattern is Sting Oakley, as it is never stated that his stolen Gundam has this second generation system, yet he can operate them perfectly well.
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:14 am
Ophiuchus Although Gunbarrels are rather like Incoms, they seem to require the "special factor" for someone to operate them, the only other person who could do this being the gunbarrel dagger pilot, Rau and then in destiny, Ray, though at this point they'd created the second generation Dragoon system, that lets even a natural use them, it doesn't negate the fact that before this time, pilots needed something special~ The ONLY pilot to not fit into this pattern is Sting Oakley, as it is never stated that his stolen Gundam has this second generation system, yet he can operate them perfectly well. As of CE 71, remote weapons such as the Gunbarrels of the TS-MA2mod.00 Moebius Zero and AQM/E-X04 Gunbarrel Striker could only be used by individuals with "extraordinary spacial awareness." This included Mu La Flaga, Rau Le Creuset, Prayer Reverie, Courtney Hieronymous, and Morgan Chevalier. The Incoms of UC Gundam are mainly used with a quasi-psycommu system, which allows "Oldtypes" to use them as well. However, these weapons are capable of only two-dimensional movement, unlike Bits and Funnels, which are capable of three-dimensional movement. And in fact, we do indeed know that the ZGMF-X24S Chaos uses a more advanced DRAGOON System: the High Grade model kit manuals say as much. From Mark Simmons, at the defunct Gundam Official User Forums: toysdream ... the High Grade Chaos Gundam kit manual does address this question (which is nice, because it really does make one wonder). Apparently the Chaos's mobile weapon pods are an improvement on the original DRAGOON system, and the pilot requirements have been "somewhat universalized." However, operating them still requires a great deal of skill on the part of the pilot. As with the original DRAGOON system, the quantum communication technology used to control the Chaos's weapon pods also consumes a great deal of energy, which is probably why ZAFT reserved them for its rechargeable "Second Stage" mobile suits. --Mark
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:20 pm
That solves the chaos mystery for me. smile
Don't own that kit, i'm the Zaku Girl.
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:29 pm
heart Does Ghinius count as a pilot? heart Just wondering...
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:09 am
Ophiuchus Sea Salt Ophiuchus Sea Salt Ophiuchus Ray didn't. Ray just had information, such as Kira being the "ultimate" being, which seems at this point to be common knowledge. Ray was told he was Rau by Durandal. It's not like Ray can recall battles Rau had. Yet Ray knew who Rau was and what he had grown through? If I remember correctly, he knew all of this and was forced to act the part by Durandal for PLANT. Ray knew who Rau was because they were introduced to each other. Ray was younger than Rau, so in a way was a closer match for "twin" than Mwu was, seeing as Rau and Rey are actually clones of his father... Which somewhat proves my point lol Mwu would then be more of a newtype type than anyone in SEED...Though we know from all this that they aren't there...at least not the newtypes we know. As I said, they're lower-level NewTypes. They aren't the "Gods of battle" we see in UC. But we know that in Seed, it's stated that the Moebius Zero was used in a battle at the same time as the Strike, and as Mwu is the ONLY one who can operate its Gunbarrels, Mwu could NOT have been piloting the Strike. Although Gunbarrels are rather like Incoms, they seem to require the "special factor" for someone to operate them, the only other person who could do this being the gunbarrel dagger pilot, Rau and then in destiny, Ray, though at this point they'd created the second generation Dragoon system, that lets even a natural use them, it doesn't negate the fact that before this time, pilots needed something special~ The ONLY pilot to not fit into this pattern is Sting Oakley, as it is never stated that his stolen Gundam has this second generation system, yet he can operate them perfectly well. I'm pretty sure that's what I've touched upon. I just didn't see the need to go in-depth since you were going to anyway. There is indeed something needed for them to control these special Second Gen Archetype systems.
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:05 pm
Android raptor heart Does Ghinius count as a pilot? heart Just wondering... He's a mobile armor pilot, so.. I guess. But there's never any official data correlating to the fact that he piloted anything other than apsalus 3.
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:11 pm
Kira, of course - lol, he's The Ultimate Co-ordinater, afterall...
Besides, he has a great theme 3nodding
(Freedom, that is)
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:48 pm
rugged Kira, of course - lol, he's The Ultimate Co-ordinater, afterall... Besides, he has a great theme 3nodding (Freedom, that is) Just because he's the "Ultimate Coordinator" doesn't mean that he has "superpowers" or anything. wink
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:18 am
NowhereManXP rugged Kira, of course - lol, he's The Ultimate Co-ordinater, afterall... Besides, he has a great theme 3nodding (Freedom, that is) Just because he's the "Ultimate Coordinator" doesn't mean that he has "superpowers" or anything. wink But... ok, lets compare him first to Amuro Ray. Yes, ok, a Newtype would probably end up beating him eventually, but certainly give us a run for our money. The point here, though, is that Kira is many times cooler looking/cooler in general than old Amuro is. Next we can compare him to Heero Yuy. Heero, piloting Wing Zero, has probably got a better machine than Kira's Strike Freedom, as well as his coolness factor being about up to par with Kira. The problem is that... well.... Heero is the shitest Gundam Pilot ever!!! lol, he is completely s**t - on his first mission, he was nearly killed by the cool general dude (I forgot his name sweatdrop ). So many times has he brushed with death and only been saved by the enhancements he has been given throughout his life. Basically, he fights like a normal Pilot even though he was suppost to be the Ultimate Gundam Pilot. That sorta puts Kira at the center of the action in my books. Besides, the Kira-Lacus thing is very cute 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:10 pm
Ophiuchus Android raptor heart Does Ghinius count as a pilot? heart Just wondering... He's a mobile armor pilot, so.. I guess. But there's never any official data correlating to the fact that he piloted anything other than apsalus 3. I doubt he did. He's very physically ill...
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:41 pm
rugged NowhereManXP rugged Kira, of course - lol, he's The Ultimate Co-ordinater, afterall... Besides, he has a great theme 3nodding (Freedom, that is) Just because he's the "Ultimate Coordinator" doesn't mean that he has "superpowers" or anything. wink But... ok, lets compare him first to Amuro Ray. Yes, ok, a Newtype would probably end up beating him eventually, but certainly give us a run for our money. The point here, though, is that Kira is many times cooler looking/cooler in general than old Amuro is. Next we can compare him to Heero Yuy. Heero, piloting Wing Zero, has probably got a better machine than Kira's Strike Freedom, as well as his coolness factor being about up to par with Kira. The problem is that... well.... Heero is the shitest Gundam Pilot ever!!! lol, he is completely s**t - on his first mission, he was nearly killed by the cool general dude (I forgot his name sweatdrop ). So many times has he brushed with death and only been saved by the enhancements he has been given throughout his life. Basically, he fights like a normal Pilot even though he was suppost to be the Ultimate Gundam Pilot. That sorta puts Kira at the center of the action in my books. Besides, the Kira-Lacus thing is very cute 3nodding -SEED MODE ON- You seem to think "coolness" and how close one comes to death has something to do with how good a pilot is. ********, Waltfeld lost an arm, got the Gaia Gundam and sucks in it. Just because he's cool and survives doesn't mean he's good. Kou Uraki had a Gundam too. And he was a newbie. He kicked a seasoned ace pilot's a** on several occasions using it! Plus, let's not forget Kira's willing "i'll let the enemy hit me with a big ******** off anti-ship sword and play dead", shall we? Kira's a ******** moron, and the only reason he's "so good" is because he has his own personal plothole generator.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:08 pm
Quote: But... ok, lets compare him first to Amuro Ray. Yes, ok, a Newtype would probably end up beating him eventually, but certainly give us a run for our money. The point here, though, is that Kira is many times cooler looking/cooler in general than old Amuro is. Excuse me? Amuro wouldn't even have to deploy fin funnels to ruin Kira Yamato. His original RX would be enough to face Kira with. As for Amuro not being cool looking enough:  Quote: Next we can compare him to Heero Yuy. Heero, piloting Wing Zero, has probably got a better machine than Kira's Strike Freedom, as well as his coolness factor being about up to par with Kira. The problem is that... well.... Heero is the shitest Gundam Pilot ever!!! lol, he is completely s**t - on his first mission, he was nearly killed by the cool general dude (I forgot his name sweatdrop ). Milliardo Peacecraft (AKA Zechs Merquise)? Quote: So many times has he brushed with death and only been saved by the enhancements he has been given throughout his life. Basically, he fights like a normal Pilot even though he was suppost to be the Ultimate Gundam Pilot. That sorta puts Kira at the center of the action in my books. Besides, the Kira-Lacus thing is very cute 3nodding It's all the suit really. All he has going for him is enhancement. He's like what cyber-newtypes are for Newtypes.
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:40 pm
I would have to say the best pilots were Amuro, Char/Quattro, and Kamille.
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