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 Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:08 pm
I wouldn't necessarily see it as a rip off of Res. Evil. Left 4 dead includes less elements than Resident Evil, for instance, they never mention what the infection came from, and the infection of the world happened in only two weeks, unlike resident evil, where it takes months for an infestation to manifest in a single city. Also in Resident Evil, you have limited ammo, instead of the Left 4 Dead Ammo Piles that seemingly pop up whenever you need them, and never, ever dwindle.
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:22 pm
Grievon Knight Some think that L4D is mostly a ripoff to Resident Evil: Outbreak Files 1 and 2. I can give you the sites if you want. Not trying to go into full details of everything, but hopefully this will all clear everything up. I said I felt L4D was a ripoff in some of the elements to RE. One thing, well it's just how I see them ( maybe not for anyone else ) is that I think Zoey and Claire look really similar and some of their bios about them is similar ( One of them being they both are University Students ). Resident Evil clearly expresses that Tyrants and Lickers were regular zombies at one point, but evolution took hold so to speak, so that is why I mainly compared those two to the zombies in L4D. I think that the Lickers, Hunters, Tyrants and Hunters in RE and the Hunters, Smokers, and Tanks in L4D do the same basic thing and mirror each other which is why I continued to say I think L4D is a ripoff on those elements. Quick recap: Hunters from L4D and Hunters from RE: They both jump and pounce and scream when you are near them. Difference: The Hunters on L4D are humanoids whereas The Hunters on RE never derived from a human. Lickers vs. Smokers: As you said, they both attack with their tongues, but they both came from humans. The difference: Smokers like most bosses in L4D explode. Tyrants ( Nemesis included ) vs. Tanks: They both are capable of doing swings that will knock the character down, ram into them, or send them flying. Difference: Tyrants may proceed to jump on you, may kill you in one swing, and can bash through walls. Not sure if that happens on L4D or L4D2, but correct me if I am wrong. I also felt it was a coincidence that Their states regions are near each other, meaning that if RE wanted to spread out towards Pennsylvania, it could in a matter of days. Say for example, I live in Texas and Alabama is far away to someone else if they think it is, only their regions are seperate. I think of it only as being a couple of states away, so that's how I felt with that, lol. Now apply that to RE and L4D and it will reach Alabama in a few days whereas if it was from Texas to New York, then I could say a week or so. Why did I compare the two with regions: Because as I said, I feel they are both close even though Raccoon City is fictional, but in the MidWestern region whereas Pennsylvania is real and is in the Northeastern region. Both regions are close to each other. I also felt the way the outbreak took fast was rather odd as well. Motel said that with 28 Days/Weeks Later it happened fast as well and I have seen it, but I think that RE and L4D had the exact same thing of how fast the outbreak went, which is why that was another reason why I said that was another ripoff to RE. I haven't played the game, so that was one thing you all have against me on that, lol. Well, been a while since I last played the first REs so my memory may fail in some parts. In any case.. I haven't personally played Outbreak games so this might be why our views wouldn't match. Compared to the first couple REs I don't really see ripping off. As for Claire/Zoe, well yeah, they both have brown hair with a ponytail.. Then again doesn't Lara Croft have too? As for both being students, where was this stated for Claire? Not in RE2 atleast where she first appeared. I haven't played Code:Veronica that much so it could be in that one.. Also the Tyrant/Licker evolution part is something I've never heard before. Where is this evolution part stated? As far as I know Lickers, Hunters and Tyrants are all products of Umberella's genetic research of mixing T- and G-viruses with something else (IIRC they stated hunter being a product of some reptilian life form infused with the virus). Hunters in both games... Yeah they both jump but they act quite differently: L4D hunters aim to jump on players and incapasitate them by pinning them to the ground where RE hunters use jump to close the distance between themselves and the player, proceeding with slashing when near the player. Same thing with Smokers/Lickers: Lickers are more active attackers with jumping, clawing and slashing with their tongue where Smokers on the other hand aim for one succesfull attack by which they catch the player and prevent movement. Lickers can stick to surfaces, e.g. ceiling, something Smokers can't (but L4D hunters can, this is not seen in-game tho only in the intro). Atleast for now I have to disagree with Lickers being evolved zombies (soz but that just makes no sense to me sweatdrop ) Tyrants/Tanks. Yeah these dudes are pretty similar I guess (tho what game doesn't have big slow monster capable of standing huge damage?). Tanks can't bash through walls (they can break doors just like any other enemy type in L4D) nor do they really ram into players (that's charger in L4D2) but they can clear objects like cars from their path while running towards the player. Tyrants don't really break walls either (dunno about Outbreak games), the parts where they do are scripted. As for the locations in the games... Uuuuhhh dunno what to say really.. Raccoon City is a fictional place not specifically placed anywhere. Personally I don't see the locations as very important detail. Eventhough they would be near each other, then what? Many games have the exact same place, e.g. New York, featured in them. The virus didn't spread very fast into Raccoon City in RE nor did it spread outside of the city fast. Doesn't RE3 start 24 hours before RE2 and end 24h afterwards...? Then again, games / movies like this require a certain area to be infected fairly fast, otherwise there wouldn't be any real threat. I mean if the infection could be stopped by blowing up one slow paced zombie that would hardly make it fun biggrin This is getting ridiculously long again... sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:58 pm
lol, it is getting a little bit long, but its all good. I'm going to try to keep most of this as short as possible while briefly explaining some things in hope that it will help you out some. I don't mean by their ponytails. I mean by how they're dressed and everything. Not much of a similarity there, but they both are wearing a red coat and jeans. I see so many similarities in that, lol. What have you been reading. Not trying to say that in a mean way, lol. Seriously though, in all of Claire's bios, they tell you she is, well was, a student at Raccoon University. Lickers are advanced Zombies as well as Tyrants. You didn't know Nemesis was once a scientist, did you? Nemesis is classified under a Tyrant. With Nemesis, they wanted to prove that even with the T-Virus, it could still retain it's intelligence. The Tyrants are mostly what Umbrella was aiming for. T-Virus didn't come in until later and even then the Tyrants didn't even exist until after the T-Virus. It was the Progenitor virus at first and even then, they needed successful hosts. The first successful host was Lisa Trevor.. She holds the Progenitor Virus which then became the Tyrant Virus ( T-virus for short ) thanks to Dr. Marcus combining it with Leech DNA. They even named the virus after the Tyrants. All in all, Tyrants didn't come from the G-Virus whatsoever. They evolved from the T-Virus itself. G-Virus ( Gene-Virus ): Birkin was the creator of the G-Virus and tested the G-Virus on himself for the first time in RE 2 and with the G-Virus you see one common thing: You transform until there is nothing human left in you. The T-Virus however and seen with the Tyrants, show human characteristics even when they take some new evolution form. Lickers are further evolved forms of zombies as I have already said. One prime example of this was the Regis Licker on Resident Evil Outbreak at the hotel. Regis ( Suspended ) Licker: Shows signs that evolution or mutation is occurring ( As you can see, the woman still shows signs of human characteristics until she fully evolves. )  Final result is the Licker itself:  No G-Virus used. It all came from the T-Virus. The only thing that didn't derive from a human are the Hunters and I said that already until I checked back. They came from some reptilian nature as well as amphibian nature when seen with the Hunters-Type Y. However they say they are based from either Human/Amphibian or Human/Reptillian thanks to Gene Splicing. Meaning: Who knows what kind of virus they carry, but one thing is said, They came from some form of Human, so I was wrong when I said they didn't come from a human at all. Meaning: Most of these monsters came from humans. All in all: Like Resident Evil, L4D has zombies that evolved from the Virus. Yea...I can see how the locations are null and void after what you said, but everything else I've pointed out are true.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:27 am
Hikigane_Trijen CLAIRExREDFIELDx Everything is a rip off of something. One could say RE ripped off Romero if they wanted to. razz Well if you want to say that then yes, but it wouldn't be all true. Resident evil will agree that they got their idea for the game bast off the old zombie movies. That is where all the similarities end with the classic zombie movie movie theme. Resident evil came out in 1996 i believe and they took the zombie survival experience to new heights. It wasn't just the movies that helped them also, they also got their idea from another game that was just a simple RPG. What makes something an rip off is the lack to take whats there and advance it, and Resident Evil has done that perfectly. The newer games have taking a different turn though. They have become more action horror then the mystery/ thriller horror game it used to be. This is mostly because of a more action driven age that we live in now. I agree completely. I was just trying to point that L4D is as much of a rip off as anything lol. Because ideas always come from /somewhere/ Whether or not L4D or any other supposed rip off took the idea and advanced it is irrelevant in my point. But yes, RE did it amazingly well. smile I just don't consider either a rip off imo. /hopes I'm making sense
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:51 am
Grievon Knight What have you been reading. Not trying to say that in a mean way, lol. Seriously though, in all of Claire's bios, they tell you she is, well was, a student at Raccoon University. I don't think she was a student at Raccoon University, which is the reason why she isn't in Raccoon City at the beginning of RE2. She's on her way there searching for her brother Chris. Other than that yeah, she was a student at some university. Grievon Knight You didn't know Nemesis was once a scientist, did you? This is completely new to me. Where did they mention this?
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:33 am
Grievon Knight I don't mean by their ponytails. I mean by how they're dressed and everything. Not much of a similarity there, but they both are wearing a red coat and jeans. I see so many similarities in that, lol. What have you been reading. Not trying to say that in a mean way, lol. Seriously though, in all of Claire's bios, they tell you she is, well was, a student at Raccoon University. Well, Claire wears red vest & shorts where Zoe has red coat & jeans.. Claire does have jeans later on too but considering jeans are fairly popular clothes I don't really consider that as ripping off sweatdrop Most similarities I see are the hair/face and red jacket.. As for the bios.. Early RE games rarely have much info of their characters. Are those bios official ones? Care to post a link? This is mostly everyone's own opinion, I just don't see much similarities between L4D and RE characters. Claire/Zoe do have the most in common IMO but like said, not really that much.. Grievon Knight Lickers are advanced Zombies as well as Tyrants. You didn't know Nemesis was once a scientist, did you? Where is this stated? I'm fairly sure it hasn't been said in game so link would be nice. I haven't played Outbreak so this whole Licker evolution thing is new. Even so, having both games featuring enemies evolved from zombies isn't still enough for me to say L4D is a rip off. Lots of games have had zombies even before RE. L4D also has enemy types RE series doesn't. And the gameplay is totally different if you ask me. They have some similarities and things in common but they're also both unique on their own fields. And most importantly to us gamers they're both good games.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:42 am
The thing RE did and they did it well was do things just how they would in rl. What I mean is, when A virus comes out or somekind of treatment, they will test it on animals. When things do not go as they plan but they feel they can work around it, they will test it on humans. All the virus's on RE came from one (Not talking about RE: 4 and 5) virus and each one being more powerful then the last. Each virus was an attempt to make a stronger person and the only Virus that seem to work like it should was the experimental virus that gave Albert his powers. Scientist love to push things, they do not like to fail so they will push things until they die themselves. All the monster on RE came from an human or animal. Or a force genetic mutation like the the Hunters, They where humans that had been experimented on using the virus and other animal DNA.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:03 am
Hwarang Gin Where is this stated? I'm fairly sure it hasn't been said in game so link would be nice. I haven't played Outbreak so this whole Licker evolution thing is new. Even so, having both games featuring enemies evolved from zombies isn't still enough for me to say L4D is a rip off. Lots of games have had zombies even before RE. L4D also has enemy types RE series doesn't. And the gameplay is totally different if you ask me. They have some similarities and things in common but they're also both unique on their own fields. And most importantly to us gamers they're both good games. Are you sure you played any RE games at all. Here is some info you seem to be lacking about the lickers. The name "licker" was given to this creature by the officers at the Raccoon City Police Department for their incredibly long tongues.[1] Changes from normal zombies to lickers are brain swelling and becoming visible, an increase in muscle development, and the total loss of skin. Because of the lack of skin-constraint and the development of muscular tissue, the licker was very agile,[2] capable of performing surprising jumps to incredible heights and distances and moved much more rapidly while their warped bone structure made it more suitable for them to crawl about on all fours. Here is a link for you to read up on them even more.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:48 am
2nd Lt Grievon Knight What have you been reading. Not trying to say that in a mean way, lol. Seriously though, in all of Claire's bios, they tell you she is, well was, a student at Raccoon University. I don't think she was a student at Raccoon University, which is the reason why she isn't in Raccoon City at the beginning of RE2. She's on her way there searching for her brother Chris. Other than that yeah, she was a student at some university. Grievon Knight You didn't know Nemesis was once a scientist, did you? This is completely new to me. Where did they mention this? Yea. I'm not too sure about Raccoon University either. Most of her bios and storyline in RE2 only say she was hoping to recruit students for a race of sorts at Raccoon University, so I assumed she had to be from there. Okay. ( Don't like how he was done on the second film ) As you know with the Tyrants, Nemesis is an evolved or mutated version of the usual zombie thanks to the virus evolving with the host. There were originally 4 Nemesis T-Types. The first one retained it's intelligence uncontrolled ( Nemesis T-01 ) and was killed because it tried to escape simply from the fact it knew who it was before Unbrella did that to it. The second one was once a scientist ( The one we've all come to know and love, not literally, lol ) T-02. This one was the most lethal one out of them all and if I had to guess it had to be somewhat because he was a scientist. I'm going on an unconfirmed rumor with this one. I don't see it on any other sites, but most of the people I've played with on PSN ( most of them random at times when friends weren't on ) would end up telling me the exact same thing when we started to go into conversations about the games, that he was a high ranking scientist for Umbrella in Europe. If I had to guess from the events of the first one ( T-01 ), he was an unwilling participant. I can hardly recall most events of Resident Evil 3: Nemesis. It's been a while since I have played it, but I am checking on playthroughs and about to read the book in hopes that they have the files on Nemesis. If I find anything about it, I'll let you know further. I and the others can be wrong about it, so if I am, then my apologies for leading you on to something else, sweatdrop T-03 and T-04 weren't ever mentioned or seen, so what they are capable of or what happened to them are beyond me.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:01 pm
Quote: Well, Claire wears red vest & shorts where Zoe has red coat & jeans.. Claire does have jeans later on too but considering jeans are fairly popular clothes I don't really consider that as ripping off Most similarities I see are the hair/face and red jacket.. As for the bios.. Early RE games rarely have much info of their characters. Are those bios official ones? Care to post a link? This is mostly everyone's own opinion, I just don't see much similarities between L4D and RE characters. Claire/Zoe do have the most in common IMO but like said, not really that much.. In Veronica: X Claire is wearing pants. If she still had the shorts on, I wouldn't see much similarity from them. As I have said below, most of these Wiki sites I don't trust too much, but they do help out. Here is a bio of Claire. As you said, these are all our opinions on it. I just think Claire and Zoey look too similar with only a few aspects changed around. http://residentevil.wikia.com/Claire_Redfield Here are the images I am comparing the two to:   Hwarang Gin Where is this stated? I'm fairly sure it hasn't been said in game so link would be nice. It has been mentioned in games. RE5 more importantly during the loading screens. Not sure how they differ on both systems, but on RE5 on the PS3, they show this several times. Sites even say so themselves. http://www.residentevilumbrella.webs.com/licker.htm I don't trust wiki sites that well, but if this site even has it, then not sure what to say to you on that then. http://residentevil.wikia.com/Licker_(file) " The name "Licker" was given because of their incredibly long tongues. The Licker is the evolved form of the zombie, if it didn't transform into a crimson head instead"Quote: I haven't played Outbreak so this whole Licker evolution thing is new. Even so, having both games featuring enemies evolved from zombies isn't still enough for me to say L4D is a rip off. Lots of games have had zombies even before RE. L4D also has enemy types RE series doesn't. And the gameplay is totally different if you ask me. They have some similarities and things in common but they're also both unique on their own fields. And most importantly to us gamers they're both good games. I, again, already pointed this all out. I said so myself that L4D introduced in some more enemies. What I also said was that L4D is the second game to feature evolved zombies. I have no doubt it is a good game. I have my reasons for not liking though just as you have your reasons for liking it. Honestly, I wanted to try the game when it first came out, but when I started to see the trailers and stuff. I just saw similarities to RE. I'm not letting that cloud my judgement on the game though. I'm just only pointing out what I thought were element ripoffs to RE. This is just like how people give high regards for X-Men First Class whereas other fans dislike the film for several errors that were done. Just using that as an example about how one person can like something and how someone else can dislike it.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:24 pm
Hikigane_Trijen Are you sure you played any RE games at all. Here is some info you seem to be lacking about the lickers. The name "licker" was given to this creature by the officers at the Raccoon City Police Department for their incredibly long tongues.[1] ]Changes from normal zombies to lickers are brain swelling and becoming visible, an increase in muscle development, and the total loss of skin. Because of the lack of skin-constraint and the development of muscular tissue, the licker was very agile,[2] capable of performing surprising jumps to incredible heights and distances and moved much more rapidly while their warped bone structure made it more suitable for them to crawl about on all fours. Here is a link for you to read up on them even more. Yeah, I'm fairly sure I've played RE games, unless of course you know better.. stare Have you played RE2 yourself? The name reference is in the game but there's not mentioned about them being humans. So this is in another game, presumably in one I have overlooked. No, I don't accept everything I read from internet, especially if it's not from the official source. So I'm kinda expecting to hear this comes from one of the games, not from a fan site or movies that are slightly based on the original game. Also, wikis as a source are always kinda risky, I mean I could just go and change the whole human reference myself.. rolleyes Besides, this RE Wiki Both Lickers and Carnage have red coloration, long tongues, and the ability to climb nearly any surface. isn't accurate information. Highly irrelevant but it raises the question what else in this text is inaccurate? It would seem this whole thing is revealed in Umbrella Chronicles, haven't played it myself but if it's in the game then fine. I've seen 'em as spin offs but they're still capcom made games so.. Anyway, all this have little matter on the topic. So, Lickers and Smokers are both evolved from regular zombies and they both have long tongue. These are the only similarities these two share.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:46 pm
Grievon Knight In Veronica: X Claire is wearing pants. If she still had the shorts on, I wouldn't see much similarity from them. As I have said below, most of these Wiki sites I don't trust too much, but they do help out. Here is a bio of Claire. As you said, these are all our opinions on it. I just think Claire and Zoey look too similar with only a few aspects changed around. http://residentevil.wikia.com/Claire_RedfieldHere are the images I am comparing the two to: Yeah like I also mentioned Claire also uses jeans in some games & Zoe/Claire have the most similar looks of the two games' characters. So, we got 1 similar person, L4D series has 8 characters in total and RE prolly little more (with quick math RE0,RE1,RE2&RE5 combined we get 7)if you count the characters from the outbreaks. I don't see having 1/8 characters resemble each as a rip off. Then again, I wouldn't disagree if one states that Fighter's History is a Street Fighter rip off.. rolleyes
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:49 pm
Hwarang Gin Hikigane_Trijen Are you sure you played any RE games at all. Here is some info you seem to be lacking about the lickers. The name "licker" was given to this creature by the officers at the Raccoon City Police Department for their incredibly long tongues.[1] ]Changes from normal zombies to lickers are brain swelling and becoming visible, an increase in muscle development, and the total loss of skin. Because of the lack of skin-constraint and the development of muscular tissue, the licker was very agile,[2] capable of performing surprising jumps to incredible heights and distances and moved much more rapidly while their warped bone structure made it more suitable for them to crawl about on all fours. Here is a link for you to read up on them even more. Yeah, I'm fairly sure I've played RE games, unless of course you know better.. stare Have you played RE2 yourself? The name reference is in the game but there's not mentioned about them being humans. So this is in another game, presumably in one I have overlooked. No, I don't accept everything I read from internet, especially if it's not from the official source. So I'm kinda expecting to hear this comes from one of the games, not from a fan site or movies that are slightly based on the original game. Also, wikis as a source are always kinda risky, I mean I could just go and change the whole human reference myself.. rolleyes Besides, this RE Wiki Both Lickers and Carnage have red coloration, long tongues, and the ability to climb nearly any surface. isn't accurate information. Highly irrelevant but it raises the question what else in this text is inaccurate? It would seem this whole thing is revealed in Umbrella Chronicles, haven't played it myself but if it's in the game then fine. I've seen 'em as spin offs but they're still capcom made games so.. Anyway, all this have little matter on the topic. So, Lickers and Smokers are both evolved from regular zombies and they both have long tongue. These are the only similarities these two share. Yes fan sites are risky and when it comes for research for anything other then games then I do not trust Wiki. Since this is about game knowledge then wiki can be trusted bc this isn't random information that came out of the head of some game fan. This is information that came from game guides. Maybe you heard of them?? They are big books that have tons of info about a game and not just a walk through neutral
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:10 pm
I only got one thing to say:
"All zombie apocalypse games are a ripoff of the "Night of The Living Dead" movie series."
Case in point. That's all I'm saying. :p
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:08 pm
well i have played left 4 dead, i wouldnt say its a copy-off of resident evil seeing how you cant use a knife, and open barrols or get infinite ammo in pistols at the start.
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