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sybilus

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:40 pm


just do individual adjustments...... although I am not getting that thing quiet clearly.... sweatdrop I'm horrible in interpreting sometimes

well, although I'm a hard core Super Robot person, but I have to say, they are TOTALLY different thing that they do in the taisen and in here. We're talking about GUNDAM here, not SUPER ROBOTS. it wouldn't make sense with aliens.... =.=
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:52 pm


well there was a lot of brainstorming going on here i was just trying to help

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:58 pm


sybilus
just do individual adjustments...... although I am not getting that thing quiet clearly.... sweatdrop I'm horrible in interpreting sometimes

well, although I'm a hard core Super Robot person, but I have to say, they are TOTALLY different thing that they do in the taisen and in here. We're talking about GUNDAM here, not SUPER ROBOTS. it wouldn't make sense with aliens.... =.=
i'll try to explain.
Would they upgrade all machines equally (making their own MS type)
or would they upgrade machines uniquely (making their own MS variants)
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:35 pm


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It can't be complicated since it's like the beginning of the era. About the weapons.... how do we get such a big weapon for the GM anyway? if they're the first, there's definitely some difficulties in developing the weapon. I know you might argue that the terrorist might have the capital or technique to do so, blah blah blah, but the problem is, where can they obtain the technique from? how do they have the place to store and develop the GM? you can't just blow up a rocket launcher and just make every part of it huge, and say it's a new weapon of the GM anyway.....
just ignore me if what I say don't make sense......
Guerillas "rig" weapons in real warfare... We can assume they'd have primitive weapons - One-shot disposeable missile launchers, and 50-mm guns (which are tiny. Evan zakus had 100mm guns)
The military ones would bring in large caliber weapons, which after deployment, we can see slowly falling into the hands of the enemy.

My question was more about how the Guerillas would change the mecha's appearance and change them to claim them as their own.
Perhaps a larger machine gun 100mm but maybe thats streching for guerillas though. and lets add in rocket launchers for moile suots the Guerillas add in.
neutral I already stated they'd rig up missiles.

It's not just a case of slapping guns on a mech and declaring it a combat unit.
The MST-1 is a lightly armored P.O.S, designed to monitor and survey environments. Its armor isn't designed for warfare.
What do you think we'd see to counter this? Would the guerillas create shields? Would they layer armor plates on it? Or would we be looking at a completely re-worked outer shell?
Well we must remember that they are only Guerillas and dont have alot of resources so no shields if anything they would layer armor onto it.
THANK YOU!
This is what I was asking for.
Would they use some effort in applying them to make a sort of "uniform" look and changing the appearance, or would they be "individual" due to the changes on each one specifically?
I think they should change the color of the units, but then it matters not if they personalize it, just as long as they can tell the units apart.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:39 pm


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sybilus
just do individual adjustments...... although I am not getting that thing quiet clearly.... sweatdrop I'm horrible in interpreting sometimes

well, although I'm a hard core Super Robot person, but I have to say, they are TOTALLY different thing that they do in the taisen and in here. We're talking about GUNDAM here, not SUPER ROBOTS. it wouldn't make sense with aliens.... =.=
i'll try to explain.
Would they upgrade all machines equally (making their own MS type)
or would they upgrade machines uniquely (making their own MS variants)
They would upgrade them at the same time and not individually, like for a new type of MS for the Guierrillas, start with the MST-1 then add armor platting, upgrade thrusters (I assume even the defalt MST-1's have thrusters) then add some sort of melee weapon something unique, such as a mace or something, or even a lance, without beam technology. I think that would be a good start for a basic type of war machines.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:43 am


No, it's not about the -time- in which they're upgraded. Remember, they don't steal them all at once.
It's about -how- they upgrade.
You have to factor in if they are all identical like a mass production, then it takes longer to get those out there.
If they all vary in some way, then it'd be easier for them to get out there, but harder for us to draw.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:11 pm


I think they should upgrade it uniformly. it makes life easier for them, as well as for those who draw. =P
well you see, even in the first year war series the zaku were all uniform, except for some super duper experts like char who have personalized zaku. so I guess uniform will do. doesn't have to be all exact, but if it's the same source it should appear to be the same
and ya... mace and spears are cool! *eyes sparkled* that's the best weapon to use before any beam and rocket launchers.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:51 pm


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I think they should upgrade it uniformly. it makes life easier for them, as well as for those who draw. =P
well you see, even in the first year war series the zaku were all uniform, except for some super duper experts like char who have personalized zaku. so I guess uniform will do. doesn't have to be all exact, but if it's the same source it should appear to be the same
and ya... mace and spears are cool! *eyes sparkled* that's the best weapon to use before any beam and rocket launchers.
The thing is, ZEON were a republic, with lots of money. They created mobile suits.
These are rebels stealing and upgrading units....

Right. So, the rebel version is re-armored and has a 50mm gun, one or two disposeable missile launchers, and a combat weapon such as the "heat hawk" used by Zakus.

Onto the military. I think they should be based on the military currently in use by the armies involved.

USA
*One cheap, generic, general purpose "cannon fodder" unit - equipped with a 110mm machinegun, 2 grenades and can opt to replace the machinegun with a missile launcher. Carries a combat knife for close combat.

*One large, heavily armored "fire magnet" unit - This is based on their Abraham battle tank, so it has a stupid vulnerability to its front armor, and its side armor is superior. It will have head mounted 50mm CIWS weapons, and a choice of 120mm machinegun, 200mm recoiling cannon, or a missile launcher. It will also be the first unit to mount a small shield. It also has two grenades on its side, muchlike the fodder unit. Has a sword for close combat, like a military sergeant would.

UK
*One very lightly armored "sniper" unit, armed with a 90mm sniping rifle with high-strength armor penetrating bullets, and high mobility thrusters for evasion. Lacks a combat weapon.

*One medium armored unit, cheap and general purpose. It has only the choice of a 110mm machinegun, or a 150mm cannon that fires depleted uranium shells. Can optionally be equipped with chobham plating. Lacks a combat weapon.

These are the first units produced for the war. At some point, a rebel unit using black market technology gains a Railgun. This attack will leave the team we're following very weak and damaged. Joining the UK forces up with a US team also plagued with bad luck, ironically called the "Lucky Aces", both demand assistance from their bases.
In retaliation, the UK will send their "Gundam", and the US will send theirs.
Gundam will stand for "Greater-United-Nation-Defensive-Allied-Machine", as the US and UK collaborated on their construction.
These two will be the Gundams in the story, that change the way.

Rebel Unit type 2:
This unit isn't a stolen mobile suit, but a black market illegal construction. It's got strong armor and higher mobility, being able to actually compete properly in a war. Think of this like the Kampfer for Zeon - a high end model, quite expensive. The majority of them use stolen weaponry from other mobile suits, except the leader, who has the Railgun.

US Gundam:
Is chunky and slow-moving, but lighter than the second unit they produce. This unit is a universal unit. It has mounted 60mm CIWS in its head, carries two swords for combat, and has a special armament to deal with the rebel leader known as a coilgun (coilguns are compact railguns) Uses a small shield. The two swords can be replaced with a JAVELIN weapon prior to mission rollout.

UK Gundam:
The first UK unit to have a combat weapon! It mounts a 40mm CIWS pod on the right side of its head, with the ammo box on the left side, rather like Gundam MK II does. It has a torso mounted weapon that holds two missiles in it, consealed behind a plate. This will be used in a "surprise" attack at some point. This unit's gun is a long-range assault rifle, so that it can support both of the previous mobile suit types in production. The rifle has semi-automatic and fully-automatic firing modes.
Unit mounts a LONGER shield than the other Gundam. Close combat armaments consist of a kukri style blade for fast fighting, and a large HAMMER for slow combat.

Later into the story, "late type" mobile suits based on these Gundams will be created.

Now, We have TWO ms types for the rebels. They need like, three more.
Ideas?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:30 pm


Well we will need something inbetween totally crappy hijakced units, and high end kampfer type MS, how about something alittle better then cannon fodder? Like a medium armored MS type alittle on the with average thursters, armed with a 100mm machine gun, or optional missle launcher (for sieges) No head weaponry, it should have optional missle packs that can attach to its legs (like the GINNs and Zakus) it;s armed with a full shield, (such as a GM shield) and it's Melee weapon is a mace, because 1 it's unique and hasnt really been done before, and two it can crush a suit with a couple hits..... it's name........ well I don't know. This could be like a DOM class MS you know a better than average unit.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:10 pm


But you have to remember, a mace has a slow attack speed. Guerillas rely on fast hit-and-runs.
It's not in their agenda to carry bulky, slow-speed weapons.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:16 am


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But you have to remember, a mace has a slow attack speed. Guerillas rely on fast hit-and-runs.
It's not in their agenda to carry bulky, slow-speed weapons.
I guess I just really want to see a mobile suit get demolished with a mace. confused hmmmmm then how about we add it a sword, or such.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:39 pm


well the mace idea is a good one, so we might wanna reserve it for later..?
what about a gun with a combat knife attached in front? I think that'd be kinda cool, for the U.S Gundam as the middle between the first and the second generation.
for the U.K, we can add two low destruction bombs on the suit for distraction purpose, since the first generation is so vulnerable... ?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:12 pm


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well the mace idea is a good one, so we might wanna reserve it for later..?
what about a gun with a combat knife attached in front? I think that'd be kinda cool, for the U.S Gundam as the middle between the first and the second generation.
for the U.K, we can add two low destruction bombs on the suit for distraction purpose, since the first generation is so vulnerable... ?
Like a bayonete on a rifle, that sounds pretty intersting, only sounds like it would be with the UK, with their military history. I don't know about low destruction bombs though.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:52 pm


Well, the mobile suits are designed for what people typically think of as the nation's strongpoints.

UK
Snipers
Sustained Fire

US
Cannon Fodder
Bigger Units

So I made one of each. The beyonet doesn't suit the UK units at all, as they aren't DESIGNED for close combat until their Gundam is created. It's possible that the bigger unit of the two US ones could use a Beyonet.

As for the mace, it should be a rebel-use weapon that comes into play once the Gundam Hammer is used (and ours is not a ball and chain, it's a giant two-handed sledgehammer)

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:41 pm


wow that sound super duper slow for the Rebel army's suits.
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