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Deimos
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:24 am


Treacherous Desire

This is essentially true - I think most countries are small potatoes compared to the USA and our proximity to them often puts us at risk, economically, militarily and often culturally.

I don't make my desire for BC to seceed an open fact off the internet. I have no desire to have the s**t kicked out of me in real life. I mostly keep it to myself which is probably why I'm such a bloody radical on here. I bottle it all up because, ******** man, I'm living in Ontario now and really do have to make some attempts to adapt to my new life. But it BOTHERS me how some people act in regards to Canada - especially the people in my Canadian studies class. They don't have any clue what lays beyond the borders of their own province because they don't think it matters and it irritates me.

It bothers me that the greatest number of people I've met here don't care about the rest of Canada. And it's really made me lose a lot of faith in the whole institution.

We talk about identity a lot in my classes. And the symbols that are chosen. And other people have a great sense of connection to things like the beaver, the maple tree, maple syrup, tim hortons, poutine, the houses of parlimanet and the group of 7. All of these things are places, people and things that people from central Canada can relate to quite easily, it would seem. And it's not stuff that I personally identify with. I feel a greater surge of patriotism with the orca, the fir tree forests, cathedral grove and Emily Car. I don't feel the same nostalgia sense of 'homeness' when we talk about winter and winter activities - man I ******** HATE snow. I think winters should be grey, rainy days. I think Tim Hortons is a sham to get us all obese and maple syrup is really disgusting. I can't speak French and I think poutine looks like the stomach-contents on CSI. I call the great lakes "the ocean" because I'm not accustomed to seeing large bodies of water that AREN'T the ocean.

Ugh, maybe I'm just feeling outsiderness and homesickness. God knows this weather could drive a person insane.

But I can't help feeling like this is something MORE... Like I'm somehow realizing that this ISN'T my place.


What I think you're becoming intimately familiar with is the real amorphous complex of the Canadian identity. To put it quite simply, what is the character of our nationhood? What is our national culture?

Geography certainly doesn't make this conundrum any easier to solve, nor does the fallacious political axiom of the "multicultural" really narrow things down for you. Furthermore, you have globalization continually condensing a world of information and experience into the proximal realm of high-technology. A byproduct of this expansionism is the corporate culture you speak of; our ultimately arbitrary association with the iconography of capitalism. Tim Hortons, whether you're in British Columbia or Newfoundland, whether you're in the far West or in the far East, is a staple of consumerism that has come to emblematize our common experience - our common consumer experience, which has increasingly, I would suggest, become our consumate national experience.

It's commercial imperialism at its finest, and it's even working on a much more global, international scale. Consider Wal-Mart, or McDonald's, or Hot Topic, or Pepsi, or consider the flourishing of corporate sponsorship or the blitzkrieg of internet pop-ups that assault your computer screen with every click of a button. This website, with its "Cash Shop," with its rhetorical change concerning "donation items" to "monthly collectibes," operates as a clandestine testament of our acquisitive nature - and I don't use the term nature very liberally anymore, but in this case, I believe it applies. The world is profit-driven, and we are merely self-reciprocating cogs. Even "national" borders are becoming arbitrary. Some postcolonial theorists like Edward Said will even go so far as to suggest that such borders have always been arbitrary.

And for that reason, I'm inclined to question whether the concept of culture in general is nothing more than a whimsical normative construct.

At least on a national scale. And perhaps increasingly on a local one, as I've noticed rural traditions like the Christmas Mummering begin to all but disappear on this salty, waterly rock I call home. This presents a certain, and arguably quite inevitable, risk of cultural assimilation. But as Veelah pointed out, and I chagrin to agree with her, we're floating quite peripherally to that egocentric cultural void of Central Canada, which has, for all intensive purposes, the real cusp of political, economic, and media power in this country - the urban area is the propogator and perpetuator of consumer culture. There's an inclination to resent or view as threatening those megalomanic cities and provinces as a result.

Likewise, we regard the United States in a similar light. Oppositionally.

Really, I think it boils down to your conception of culture, whether locally, provincially, nationally, or internationally. Unlike Veelah (phew, finally), I don't think you should "try to be less provocative," but rather be more aware that as fundamentally different as we may seem, we're all somehow inexorably linked. Finally, I think if there's any one central maxim to the ethos of Canadian identity, it's that there is no maxim. There is no ethos. Frankly, TD, if you weren't perplexed by what it means to be Canadian, only then would I have to question your association with the "Canadian" guild.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:25 am


Linkin Park316


I'd like to disprove that. But I'm not as long winded as D xd

(kidding)


I have faith in you, Linkin my boy.

Just click your heels together and sprinkle some fairy dust. It's easy.

Deimos
Crew


Linkin21

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:55 am


Deimos
Linkin Park316


I'd like to disprove that. But I'm not as long winded as D xd

(kidding)


I have faith in you, Linkin my boy.

Just click your heels together and sprinkle some fairy dust. It's easy.


I've done the long winded thing before, just doesn't seem right to me. So I think I'll leave it to the professionals xd

EDIT: That and I don't usually have the facts to back up what I'm trying to say.
EDIT 2: Where do you get this boy from? confused confused
You're not that much older than I.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:17 pm


Linkin Park316

EDIT 2: Where do you get this boy from? confused confused
You're not that much older than I.


I was going for a paternalistic tone, ie, "I have faith in you," is like something your fairy godmother or one of your parents would say. Hence, "my boy."

Deimos
Crew


Linkin21

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:54 pm


Deimos
Linkin Park316

EDIT 2: Where do you get this boy from? confused confused
You're not that much older than I.


I was going for a paternalistic tone, ie, "I have faith in you," is like something your fairy godmother or one of your parents would say. Hence, "my boy."


LOL. I know, I was being sarcastic, shoulda made it a little more obvious with a smiley
PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:32 pm


*coughs and shuffles to the side* ninja

-Forever-Vamp-


Deimos
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:23 am


-Forever-Vamp-
*coughs and shuffles to the side* ninja


What are you, getting a prostate exam?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:09 pm


No. mad

-Forever-Vamp-


Linkin21

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:15 pm


Leaf tickets.
I feel sorry for you, thats almost, wait what am I saying? That is worse than a prstate exam
PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:34 pm


Ahahahaha, Link. heart

Veelah
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Linkin21

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:31 pm


Veelah
Ahahahaha, Link. heart


Thanks for the Laffs ninja
PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:50 pm


Yeah, maybe we should go watch Marty Brodeur instea--OHWAITLOL!

Deimos
Crew


Linkin21

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:03 pm


Deimos
Yeah, maybe we should go watch Marty Brodeur instea--OHWAITLOL!


He can still out play Toskala and Joseph anyday any injury LOL

I hate the Leafs so much, yet I type in blue font.
Ironic
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:34 am


Hey, say what you want. It takes balls and a sick love of being constantly kicked to be a Leafs fan. But one day... maybe not any time soon, but one day... we'll have our payback. And nobody could ever accuse me of being a bandwagoner then. For now, I'll drink myself stupid and try not to get in any fights. whee

-Forever-Vamp-


Deimos
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:14 am


Linkin Park316

He can still out play Toskala and Joseph anyday any injury LOL

I hate the Leafs so much, yet I type in blue font.
Ironic


No doubt, Toskala is terrible.

-Forever-Vamp-

Hey, say what you want. It takes balls and a sick love of being constantly kicked to be a Leafs fan. But one day... maybe not any time soon, but one day... we'll have our payback. And nobody could ever accuse me of being a bandwagoner then. For now, I'll drink myself stupid and try not to get in any fights.


Exactly. It takes some serious stones to say you're a Leafs fan.
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