OOC - NO U

[The Thunder Tyrant]

To be fair, if the population is so divisive, then it might be best to NOT do it.

Because that's how you end up with these gimped "compromises" that do nothing at all.

And apparently plenty of people don't want it to happen. The liberal federal government is - and will - make the same mistake as the conservative federal government in the past. It will assume it knows best, and attempt to force its decisions to go through regardless of whether or not there's sizable support for it.

And that's why by the end of his first term, Obama will be the liberal equivalent of Bush Jr. in people's minds. Because they're making the same mistakes as the conservatives, just on different topics. The only plus they have is they try to compromise, but that ends up backfiring on them and they get called babykillers.

But, like I said, the conservatives made the exact same mistake, and will do so again in the future, because this is how both parties operate. They more or less rally the people, use that impetus to start making changes, and then when they lose support, they pretend that their support base is still there when it obviously isn't.  

[Nihilistic_Impact]

Considering how to most other countries are liberals are conservatives, well I think it says we have a long ways to go.

The lack of any real liberal party of course can be traced all the way back to Woodrow Wilson.

EDIT:

There are some things in the bill which I do like and are happy that they passed. Like not being denied on pre-existing conditions, students being able to continue on their parents coverage up tell they're 26. The fact that those which are working poor will be getting a credit to help pay for their health care.

I especially like the last one.  

[Lucind Varhetel]

Tenkai Matsumoto

I think socialized anything is a step in the wrong direction, but I do believe things still need changing for the better.

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Is that because you 'mericans still directly think of Marx & Co. when hearing "social"? mrgreen  

[Nihilistic_Impact]

Most likely Lucind.

Socialism is still a naughty word over here.

I don't see why anyone should be trying to make a profit off of human suffering.  

[The Thunder Tyrant]

It's probably because socialization, like any potential change in government policy, can have drawbacks. Does have drawbacks, actually.

People in support will enhance the advantages.. people who oppose it will inevitably see more of the drawbacks.  

[Lucind Varhetel]

Every doctor makes profit of human suffering....okay, bad joke.

But in general, making something more social just means that people from all parts of society can profit from it. What you make of it is another question.

In the end, it boils down to the fact that money makes the world go round.  

[Designated Hero]

I don't think we have enough infrastructure to fully support universal health care at the moment. Not enough doctors, and not enough people willing to go into the medical field if they're going to be facing reduced wages because...GODDAMN is medical school expensive.

One step at a time. Start offering some federal aid to people that want to go into medicine, amount of doctors increase, then we'll be able to consider treating everybody.  

[Vintrict]

Designated Hero

I don't think we have enough infrastructure to fully support universal health care at the moment. Not enough doctors, and not enough people willing to go into the medical field if they're going to be facing reduced wages because...GODDAMN is medical school expensive.

One step at a time. Start offering some federal aid to people that want to go into medicine, amount of doctors increase, then we'll be able to consider treating everybody.

I just hope that they are doctors I can trust in. Sure, I would like the increase in doctors, but at the same, I will fear for competence for those just going into the field for a quick buck.  

[The Thunder Tyrant]

Designated Hero

I don't think we have enough infrastructure to fully support universal health care at the moment. Not enough doctors, and not enough people willing to go into the medical field if they're going to be facing reduced wages because...GODDAMN is medical school expensive.

One step at a time. Start offering some federal aid to people that want to go into medicine, amount of doctors increase, then we'll be able to consider treating everybody.

With reduced wages should come better job stability, you would think.

And I'm surprised they don't offer more federal aid to people who are trying to get into the medical field.  

[Hi Im Reiko]

It's because Americans like to apply "all or nothing" logic to everything.

Rather than borrow an idea for it's good. If it has some bad tied to it, it has to be all bad.  

[Rising Hourglass]

Tenkai Matsumoto

I dunno. I think socialized anything is a step in the wrong direction

Stop.


Darth: If you ever get the chance, I recommend reading this book:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/504974.Culture_War_The_Myth_of_a_Polarized_America

Dude did a ton of random sampling tests that have a lot of internal validity, and basically came to the conclusion that on an overwhelming majority of issues, including gay rights, the majority of Americans come to a general consensus. A consensus which doesn't come close to fitting the agenda of either party.

The issue is that in our current political setup, extremity to a party's laundry list of values = more party loyalty = more desirable position among the elites. And we're left choosing between black and white when our country really wants gray.

s**t sucks, there's no feasible way to change it quickly.

It's a really eye opening book, I definitely recommend it.