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 Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:54 pm
Your entire post assumes that a God exists, yet you lack evidence to prove it. I am an atheist and your lack of evidence upholds my belief.
Atheism is the following of logic over belief, and the existence of an almighty, all-powerful being is highly illogical. I spend a lot of my free time reading books on the comparison of atheism and theism, and so far I have found much more truth in arguments against the existence of God, then in the ones supporting him (mainly because they are not composed of statements such as, "Well... I just know he exists.")
Consider this:
"Is God able to prevent evil, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he both willing and able?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"
-Epicurus 33 A.D.
That makes a large amount of sense, right?
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:39 am
MrAnswer It is proven that strong believers in the Christian faith are happier than a commonplace atheist. I don't normally break up posts like this, because it leads to annoying strings of alternating quote boxes... but this statement appalls me. Source, please? I used to be a strong believer in Christian doctrine, and now that I have learned to think for myself and have left it behind, I am MUCH happier than I ever was as a Christian. Outrageous statements like yours here require outrageous proof. Quote: In addition, Atheists are the least trusted "group" in the nation. In other words, if you're an atheist, then people will be more apprehensive to trusting you than they would with Christians or Jews. Don't you think this just might be because of a lack of understanding of nonbelievers? Lacking belief in God, or outright stating that one doesn't exist doesn't preclude the nonbeliever from acting morally, even more morally than many religious people who believe their morals come from a divine source. Yes, atheists are among the least trusted groups of people in the US, but in less fundamentally religious countries, atheists are viewed as normal human beings. This idea of atheists as being untrustworthy is simply a bandwagon fallacy and I eagerly await the day when people will open their eyes and look at us as humans.
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:31 pm
Belguifre How did God come into being? if the universe is not eternal then why should God be? The theory is that God created everything, therefore if everything must be created then God must have been created, if God was not created he is then eternal but if God is eternal then why can nothing else be eternal. If God was created then how did he come into being? we can now apply the same argument you did for the creation of the universe. This isn't even worth getting into so I'll say one thing: An all powerful being, as God is supposed to be, would require no beginning, and has no end. The universe is not all powerful, it is not eternal. This we can observe in the decay of all matter. But a being that is supposed to be all powerful would have always existed, having no beginning or end. It may be difficult for you to grasp; humans think on a linear plane. It is a seemingly impossible task for us to think outside the bounds of time. We are governed by time. God is not. He is illimitable, the beginning and the end. Not even cyclical, as the universe is percieved in eastern philosophy, but a point, a single point encompassing all, outside the realm of any time. You assume that time has always existed, when it was God who created time, and is therefore not under its governance.
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:39 pm
scream This type of thread infuriats me. God is unprovable. If he (she/it) could be proved, he (she/it) would cease to be divine. Reason doesn't apply, so we cannot use reason. Logic doesn't apply, so we cannot use logic. Science doesn't apply, so we cannot use science. That leaves us imagination. Imagination applys, so let's all come up with imaginary solutions to a nonexistant problem.
God (since we seem to like the title) is inherantly unproveable. An omniscient, omnipotent being that exists in everything and nothing, and lives outside time itself. How are you going to prove that? There is no method that is available, or will be available to determine whether or not there is a god. The nice trite answer is: wait until you die, then you'll see. So, if we contact the afterlife, and ask them, does that answer the question? No. How do we know said being isn't lying, or that we even contacted a being?
It's faith, people. F. A. I. T. H. If it were proveable, then it wouldn't be divine. The whole discussion is stupid. The simplest answer to any question is: God did it (Occam's Razor, anybody?). But that doesn't sate our need to find a scientific, logical, reasonable solution to the problem.
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:20 am
Purete Belguifre How did God come into being? if the universe is not eternal then why should God be? The theory is that God created everything, therefore if everything must be created then God must have been created, if God was not created he is then eternal but if God is eternal then why can nothing else be eternal. If God was created then how did he come into being? we can now apply the same argument you did for the creation of the universe. This isn't even worth getting into so I'll say one thing: An all powerful being, as God is supposed to be, would require no beginning, and has no end. The universe is not all powerful, it is not eternal. This we can observe in the decay of all matter. But a being that is supposed to be all powerful would have always existed, having no beginning or end. It may be difficult for you to grasp; humans think on a linear plane. It is a seemingly impossible task for us to think outside the bounds of time. We are governed by time. God is not. He is illimitable, the beginning and the end. Not even cyclical, as the universe is percieved in eastern philosophy, but a point, a single point encompassing all, outside the realm of any time. You assume that time has always existed, when it was God who created time, and is therefore not under its governance. And you assume you know an aweful lot about the universe. As matter is destroyed it becomes chaotic energy which is then reformed into matter once again via the potential manifold of quantum energy shifts so the ratio of matter/energy in the universe is constant and thus the universe could very well be eternal since it never looses any of it's energy. Being all powerful also does not imply no begining and no end. Perhaps it is not that God created time but it was just that we chose a word (time) to describe the relative way that the universe moves from event to event. If that is the case there is no realy true "time" it is merely a dimension of reality that describes relationships of events along a referance frames view of world lines. If that is the case then God isn't outside of time unless he's outside of the uninverse all together. And if he is outside of the universe all together then how does he do any work at all within it? Is it magic? He just does? Forgive me for not accepting answers that are akin to those given by a parent to a five year old when they don't feel like explaining the real reason and advancing their power of parenthood over their child and saying "Because I said so". Because it is.....is hardly a "proof". It may be acceptable enough for some who are satisfied enough with things and have some form of faith but if your answers to any of these questions are "It just is" or "God just does" and there is no reason you say it other then that then you'll have to answer me another question. What reason can you give me to suggest that your conception of what God "is" or "does" is the correct one. Why are you right about God? Have you any emperical evidance? Oh wait....you can't....your evidence is all Ontological....and epistemic...accept that epistemically you are human and thus cannot possibly "know" anything about God so those arguements are amibuous and purely opinion....and Ontologically you could never "know" your conception of God is actually the right one. So......to say God "is" something or somewhere.....is absurd.
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