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In all seriousness, CE Machines aren't really measured in ability, rather than how much the fanboys/fangirls love'em. Duel only beat Forbidden only because Fukuda favored Yzak's VA. Strike competing against the newer ZAFT models was stupid. It was still outclassed like hell, just because Fukuda wanted to show some stupidly obvious gap between SF and Strike. Freedom only beat Saviour and Destroy only because a good number of viewers are Kira fangirls/fanboys and we all know that CE isn't going for an orignal plot, but merely blowjobbing to the fanboys/fangirls. And Wing is more realistic than you think. Just because you wanna be an asshat and refute everything like a babbling basher doesn't change that.

I mean, considering that the damned machines are taking on... Oh, about more than 100x their numbers, I'd think that they'd be more godly than they are already. But sadly, they even have their own limitations. Wing only has 3 shots of the full-power Buster Rifle, and in all seriousness, that's not enough. After that, it only has a beam saber and machinecannons. Machinecannons can only shoot for so long, and Doberguns do have an effect on Gundanium Armor, just not immediately visible. If there are enough well placed Leos, they could easily overwhelm the Wing via prevention of movement and interception during advancement to melee combat. Heavyarms. For a unit with only solid weaponry, this is tough. I mean, sure it has a lot of guns, but once its all gone, you only have a ******** knife. Wow. And its not even that long. Force the sucker to expend his ammo against your numbers, then pound him with more numbers from long range. Its a heavy unit, so it'll be easier to prevent melee combat. Deathscythe. The unit has some nice cloaking, but it has no really good ranged weapons. The cloaking isn't exactly perfect either. The others have a lot of other flaws I'm too lazy to bring up, but the machines only coincidencially make a good fighting team when put together.

In all seriousness, I find more of the CE suits to be less realistic. I mean, Freedom. That machine has guns and an aimbot. Wow. And don't even give me the "advanced targetting computer" bullshit. Its a ******** aimbot. I mean, all MS have a ******** targetting computer. The only way you could make it "advanced" is by making it autolock like an aimbot. And amazingly, this "advanced targetting computer" allows its accuracy to be miraculously higher than an MS not using it. Wow. Now is that an aimbot or what? Strike Freedom's "Super DRAGOONs" are just Incoms on crack or some sort of system that makes you a wannabe newtype. Gee... Isn't that brilliant? Don't go "Zero System = Hax" or whatever, because the damned thing at least puts mental strain on the pilot. I mean, with tons of info and suggestions being put into the brain, you could just as easily die from it as you could kill with it. And an "emergency shutdown" button. Just more retcon just to save the dude all the fanboys and fangirls swoon over. The TSA Ships come through with little to no damage, and that's attributable to fanboy/fangirl love. I mean, a good number of their fleet was wiped out, yet they still make some sort of comeback against a ******** ARMY. Wing's situation was at least managable because it was a 3-way free for all. And I-J piercing Messiah's barrier? Total bullshit. There is a good size difference. I would've expected him to have a little more trouble than what actually happened. I mean, firing a beam rifle at an asteroid's not going to do much. Why should a beam shield hitting one that's enough to cover a giant space fortress be any different?

I liked Wing because at least it didn't go running around blowjobbing to all the ******** fanboys/fangirls.

I don't see how that would invalidate my invalidation of his statement. Wait, it doesn't. K. You're just bitching and moaning about SEED to try and create some kind of tangential argument to prolong the conflict meaninglessly. His original point on SEED in the first place was irrelevant on its own, and without the motivation I once had to defend SEED, I don't see any point in putting forth the effort to refute your statements...since they're just spinoffs of an irrelevant point anyways.

I refute things because they are untrue. As you can see, where I had made the mistake in remembrance of the magunacs survival, I freely admit what is wrong or right.

K.

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Funniest. s**t. ******** hell, I can't stop laughing.

Well, Epyon was made by Treize in secret - and it contains a slightly altered version of the ZERO System. This one's known as the EPYON System, and seems to have some of Treize's own touches within it - stuff that made Heero go bonkers, but not Zechs.

Epyon is also the only suit with the beam saber connected directly to the reactor, whereas all other beam sabers on mobile suits have to have their power routed through the arms and hand plugs - each of which have serious power limitations.
With the power flowing directly from the source, the beam saber of Epyon's is essentially larger and supposrdly stronger as well.

Epyon also has the second example of a heated melee weapon in the Wing Universe - possibly being built off the Sandrock data used to rebuild Sandrock that Oz had. This, of course, is the head whip (or rod, depending on translation and sites used).

In addition, Epyon has a Mobile Armour mode, which always helps.

Fun note: Epyon was designed alongside a sister unit: The Aquarius, which was another melee-only suit: designed with 2 heat rods and some anti-Mobile Doll scramblers built into the unit to destory the command systems within the MD themselves.
Sadly, this one was never built.



The Tallgeeses (Tallgooses?) are a different story.

Tallgeese I was built by Howard, the old man who aids the Gundam Pilots in Wing. The Tallgeese was one of the first attempts to make a suit worth Mass-Producing for Oz - but was not only too expensive to MP, but was also rather large.

The Tallgeese Zechs used was then put into storage, unfinished. There are rumored to be 3 others, one of which actually made it to Wufei's home colony and was piloted by his wife before she died.

In any case, the Tallgeese has the vernier boosters notorious for breaking ribs and actually gave Zechs a minor heart attack when he first piloted the machine - same with the test pilot named Otto as well.

Tallgeese is basically built for plain 1-on-1 combat, it seems: The Dobergun often runs out of ammo during combat, and the only other weapons on Tallgeese are the beam sabers.

Also of note is that, while it has the armour a little better than a Leo, the Tallgeese is the only mecha to stand up to the Gundams repeatedly and survive.

Tallgeese I was obliterated, but (like I said), there were others. Another Tallgeese / Prototype Leo was taken out of storage and became Treize's Tallgeese II.

The Tallgeese II has almost no changes from the old Tallgeese I, though footage of Wing (as well as SRW games) suggest that the Tallgeese II actually had a beam rifle in place of the Dobergun.

Aside from the new paintjob and new frill on the helmet, though, no other changes were noted.

Tallgeese III is actually the suit that Treize wanted to use in the end of Wing, but was not completed on time - forcing him to use the hastily repainted Tallgeese II. It's also rumored that Tallgeese III is the final Proto Leo, showing that all 4 suits were pretty much in use at some time or another.

Tallgeese III has several changes over the previous 2 suits. For one, it seems that the Tallgeese III can actually reach escape velocities (with or without boosters isn't confirmed, though the Tallgeese I did it with boosters), which it used to reach MO III to try and stop the Barton Foundation invasion.

The Tallgeese III also tossed away the idea of the Dobergun, replacing it with a 'Megacannon,' containing two modes. The first is normal file, but the second puts it on par with the Twin Buster Rifle - however the entire suit is drained of much of it's power when the Mega Cannon's ultimate mode is used.

Tallgeese III also has the Head Rod that Epyon had, with a similar shield design as well.

And, of course, the Tallgeese III had an increase in speed, armour and agility.

The important thing to note, though, is that the Tallgeese is the first suit to go toe-to-toe with the Gundams - when it's a 20-year-old design, further suggesting that the Leo would have done better had they focused on speed and not mass-production.

Kira has an aimbot?
lol, what a hax