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 Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:32 am
I've mentioned this quite a bit: My Uncle (perhaps Cousin the more correct term, as it is my mother's cousin whom I'm very close to) has the job of finding homes for refugees in Ireland. He's like every other citizen of the country, except every once in a while he gets a brick thrown through his window. The Irish Government stands in direct opposition to his good work, which is very specifically finding homes for Georgian refugees. Now, perhaps what I hear from him is exaggeration. However, I've had enough fights with actually Irish immigrants on the subject to think that perhaps it's as true as he says. It's only natural for a country that has been under the oppressive thumb of another, one who tried to destroy every aspect of their culture including the language, to be wary of outside influences corrupting their culture. But to say there is no room for refugees seeking Asylum is absurd. To think that immigrants from foreign lands will do cultural damage is also completely absurd. A few thousand refugees are just that, refugees. People seeking asylum. The numbers are not significant enough to cause damage. Not economically, not culturally. http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/famine/demographics_pre.htmlThe population of Ireland was nearly double before the Potato famine.
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:39 pm
♔ Anya's personal opinions lie below. . .
I can't say I disagree with your point, but I can't seem to agree either.
You're right that the Irish are protective of their culture, now that so many times had history tried to rip it from us, as I am protective of it as well. As I say that, I concur. I might be quite hypocritical by saying that; because I plan to move to Ireland in the near future, but my Da is Irish and I've been raised in an Irish lifestyle so it seems. However, I feel negative towards folks without knowledge, respect, or blood of Ireland to be on the Emerald Isles at all. Same as the Hawaiians. When I lived in Hawaii, I was treated horribly because of my pasty white skin, and because I just didn't care. I hated that they treated me like that, but now I realize I've felt the same way. As I discovered that Japanese were going to Ireland, my first thoughts were "What business do they have there? They should just go back to where they came from." And although I still feel the same way still, I at least knew I was wrong.
We feel these feelings because we're protective of Ireland, and we love it too much. I share the same feelings as many when I say Ireland was better untouched. Our's alone.
However, your case is much different. [ Refugees : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution. ] Their dangerous, and what happens when they repeat their wrong doing in Ireland? Obviously, running from Ireland isn't going to be hard for them. What country would like to be the home of folks like these? In fact, Scotland held an American refugee, and it only brought trouble to the country.
Ireland has enough on their plate with their imposing, and intimidating neighboring island beside them. We don't need anymore trouble, but again-- I can't say I disagree with you, or agree.
Thank you for sharing this though. A very intriguing debate subject. ^^
And I pray that your uncle/cousin's window breakings stop.
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:51 pm
A_n_n_a ♔ Anya's personal opinions lie below. . .
However, your case is much different. [ Refugees : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution. ] Their dangerous, and what happens when they repeat their wrong doing in Ireland? What is the basis of the claim that they are dangerous? To whom? These people aren't soldiers. We are talking about Families. What Wrong doing have they done? You are making blatant assumptions about people, for no reason at all. This one being that these people did something to upset the powers that be, instead of merely wishing to avoid the conflict. The only argument you can give is simply the fact people come from areas hit by civil unrest since the fall of the soviet union, which breakdown into simple prejudice. These are not criminals, these are not soldiers. Most of these people are children. Can you assume all refugees are dangerous? What are the basis of these claims? What slaves who came to North before the Civil War? They were the same thing? Or the Irish who escaped to America? This is no different. Quote: Obviously, running from Ireland isn't going to be hard for them. What country would like to be the home of folks like these? In fact, Scotland held an American refugee, and it only brought trouble to the country. ]/quote] Every country has held refugees. As a matter of fact, last I checked, America housed thousands from Ireland, and proceeded to piss all over them... There are plenty of refugee horror stories. America actually wrote the book on it, being founded by Refugees.... It was a haven for people seeking Asylum. And the same issues in Ireland are going on here too. Quote: Ireland has enough on their plate with their imposing, and intimidating neighboring island beside them. We don't need anymore trouble, but again-- I can't say I disagree with you, or agree. The problems with England are at an end. The Youth of England hardly know they exist to begin with. It will come to an end real soon. The majority of the Hostility right now is settled in Northern Ireland, and along the border.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:04 pm
Matt Pniewski I've mentioned this quite a bit: My Uncle (perhaps Cousin the more correct term, as it is my mother's cousin whom I'm very close to) has the job of finding homes for refugees in Ireland. He's like every other citizen of the country, except every once in a while he gets a brick thrown through his window. The Irish Government stands in direct opposition to his good work, which is very specifically finding homes for Georgian refugees. Now, perhaps what I hear from him is exaggeration. However, I've had enough fights with actually Irish immigrants on the subject to think that perhaps it's as true as he says. It's only natural for a country that has been under the oppressive thumb of another, one who tried to destroy every aspect of their culture including the language, to be wary of outside influences corrupting their culture. But to say there is no room for refugees seeking Asylum is absurd. To think that immigrants from foreign lands will do cultural damage is also completely absurd. A few thousand refugees are just that, refugees. People seeking asylum. The numbers are not significant enough to cause damage. Not economically, not culturally. http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/famine/demographics_pre.htmlThe population of Ireland was nearly double before the Potato famine. the whole reason we're in a recession is because of all the forgieners. They get jobs quicker than we do cause they work for less and they work hard. The ones that dont work sponge off the socail. they get socailizing money, free cars , get housed straight away when there are single mothers on the waiting list for ten years , Polish people can claim childrens allowence pay for the kids they have in poland, so collect money and send it back, even lieng about how many kids they have. They get the same amount of socail beinift as we do and they do nothing!!!! only run a muck and fight and reck the place. Why should polish people be able to come over here and not work and get paid???????? bull s**t
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:07 pm
ITS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROTECTING OUR CULTURE..... HAHAHA HOW FUNNY IS THIS. TWO AMERICANS DEBATING ABOUT IMMAGRINTS IN IRELAND. YOU'S HAVNT A CLUE KIDS.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:22 pm
Gee Bag Face ITS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROTECTING OUR CULTURE..... HAHAHA HOW FUNNY IS THIS. TWO AMERICANS DEBATING ABOUT IMMAGRINTS IN IRELAND. YOU'S HAVNT A CLUE KIDS. I think my circumstances are different. My family is personally involved. People all over the world have put in their two cents for American Politics. And I put my two cents in in any even where I have knowledge. England. Georgia. Yes, Ireland. It's particularly important to me because of the fact that a man I love and respect is involved. All I'm saying is, anyone who has information can have an opinion. And no, there have been OTHER arguments against it. Others just as foolish. Quote: the whole reason we're in a recession is because of all the forgieners. They get jobs quicker than we do cause they work for less and they work hard. Maybe the citizens of Ireland need to appreciate their jobs and work harder, then. Maybe you can fix the law so they can't undercut ANY workers in this fashion, foreign or otherwise. It's easy to blame people who take the jobs, but people in need take the jobs they can get. Employers will take the employees who work for the lowest wage. Quote: The ones that dont work sponge off the socail. they get socailizing money, free cars , get housed straight away when there are single mothers on the waiting list for ten years , Polish people can claim childrens allowence pay for the kids they have in poland, so collect money and send it back, even lieng about how many kids they have. They get the same amount of socail beinift as we do and they do nothing!!!! only run a muck and fight and reck the place. Why should polish people be able to come over here and not work and get paid???????? bull s**t Again, these aren't problems with PEOPLE but with policies. You do understand the difference, right? Fix the policies so that people can't cheat the system. Essentially, you are blaming people because you refuse to blame your government for it's faults. EDIT: I want to reiterate then fact that I am not simply trying to bash the Irish Government. However, these problems are things that could be fixed with policy change, instead of prejudice, instead of criminalizing groups of people. As it is, America is the same way. Thanks to the Fear of Immigrants, unemployment rates of Latino citizens has doubled. Meanwhile, illegal immigrants still get hired, because, hey, businesses like people they don't have to pay minimum wage. More over, racial violence against latinos, even those born in this country, has gone up. This is what this sort of thinking has lead to here, and what it's going to lead to in any other country.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:38 pm
Matt Pniewski Gee Bag Face ITS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROTECTING OUR CULTURE..... HAHAHA HOW FUNNY IS THIS. TWO AMERICANS DEBATING ABOUT IMMAGRINTS IN IRELAND. YOU'S HAVNT A CLUE KIDS. I think my circumstances are different. My family is personally involved. People all over the world have put in their two cents for American Politics. And I put my two cents in in any even where I have knowledge. England. Georgia. Yes, Ireland. It's particularly important to me because of the fact that a man I love and respect is involved. All I'm saying is, anyone who has information can have an opinion. And no, there have been OTHER arguments against it. Others just as foolish. Quote: the whole reason we're in a recession is because of all the forgieners. They get jobs quicker than we do cause they work for less and they work hard. Maybe the citizens of Ireland need to appreciate their jobs and work harder, then. Maybe you can fix the law so they can't undercut ANY workers in this fashion, foreign or otherwise. It's easy to blame people who take the jobs, but people in need take the jobs they can get. Employers will take the employees who work for the lowest wage. Quote: The ones that dont work sponge off the socail. they get socailizing money, free cars , get housed straight away when there are single mothers on the waiting list for ten years , Polish people can claim childrens allowence pay for the kids they have in poland, so collect money and send it back, even lieng about how many kids they have. They get the same amount of socail beinift as we do and they do nothing!!!! only run a muck and fight and reck the place. Why should polish people be able to come over here and not work and get paid???????? bull s**t Again, these aren't problems with PEOPLE but with policies. You do understand the difference, right? Fix the policies so that people can't cheat the system. Essentially, you are blaming people because you refuse to blame your government for it's faults. EDIT: I want to reiterate then fact that I am not simply trying to bash the Irish Government. However, these problems are things that could be fixed with policy change, instead of prejudice, instead of criminalizing groups of people. As it is, America is the same way. Thanks to the Fear of Immigrants, unemployment rates of Latino citizens has doubled. Meanwhile, illegal immigrants still get hired, because, hey, businesses like people they don't have to pay minimum wage. More over, racial violence against latinos, even those born in this country, has gone up. This is what this sort of thinking has lead to here, and what it's going to lead to in any other country. and why exactly do u care so much? coming from america ya shud be trying to get ur head around ur own countrys problems.... never said it wasnt the goverments fault..... if i did Quote dat s**t....
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:07 am
[quote="Gee Bag Face" and why exactly do u care so much? coming from america ya shud be trying to get ur head around ur own countrys problems.... . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HolismThat's why I care so much.
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:14 am
yeah whatever, dont be lettin on ya know about stuff when u dont....
u have an irish uncle.... and what?
whatever he's tellin ya is comin from some one who houses them so obviously he's not gna tell ya all about whats really going on
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:52 am
Gee Bag Face yeah whatever, dont be lettin on ya know about stuff when u dont.... u have an irish uncle.... and what? whatever he's tellin ya is comin from some one who houses them so obviously he's not gna tell ya all about whats really going on My Irish Uncle is clearly smarter than you. He can spell, and speak in complete sentences. Truth is, it's not that different from things that are happening in America. And America is handling it just as foolishly as Ireland.
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