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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:23 am
As this guild was just created the rules section has not really been fleshed out yet.
Now I know what some of you are thinking "Screw the rules I have money" but we really do need some form of order beyond what is posted on the main page as it was kind of rushed and was not well thought out. I just posted them to get the ball rolling for now.
Feel free to offer suggestions on the rules.
My thought are that we probably don't want rules that make management in the guild seems like Nazi's. Rules should be reasonable, such as "don't cuss as"- kids could be using this site. Or possibly, "do not leave personal info on this site" as anyone could be reading it as this can effect your personal safety ect.
Every rule needs to have a good reason to exist or it severs no purpose other then to annoy people and boss people around. In the end people will just want to quite.
Something I think we should avoid is a you must do x to stay in the guild. I understand that activity is important but making people do something only discourages them from doing it. I would rather take a marketing approach and send PM's out to inactive members asking them why they have not been on the guild and what we could do to regain there interest. I have watched a couple guilds and the one's I have seen doing the best tend to not have a policy like this. After all, nobody likes being forced to do anything they don't want to.
Well, these are just my thoughts and opinions on the matter and nothing right now is set in stone, other then the fact that gaia does require every guild to fallow the gaia TOS rules.
Well, I look forward to your thoughts and opinions on what the rules should be and hopefully we can have a consensus on the rules rather then me just throwing stuff up like I did when I created this site just to get things going. You can even debate current rules if you don't like them or think they are un-necessary (some of them I think are probably already in the TOS and really ant necessary on our front page now that I think of it).
For now, we just really need good idea.
Thank you all for your help. =D
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:41 pm
Well, I have spent some time thinking and I think I may have some possible banning practices to suggest to everyone but I don't want to start putting things in stone until I have some opinions on the issue as far as what is good or bad about it and how it should be worded.
I bring this up as I could see this becoming an issue if I don't bring it up quickly as it is likely that there may be people trying to tell me to ban this person or that for one reason or another before I have a good grasp on how this should be handled.
First off, I want to state that I see banning a person as the ultimate punishment for a guild. Once you ban a person from a guild they are no longer a member. For this reason, I think it should only be used as the last resort.
I also think that a staff positions should be put on the line if a staff member goes about banning people with out the consensus of other staff members. I think that by making it a rule that a consensus is needed from other staff members before banning a person that it will remove favoritism from the decision of banning a person.
If a person breaks the rules, it should not matter whose friend they are or who likes or dislikes them in the guild, when it comes to the decision of weather or not the should be banned.
Anyway, these are just ideas but I think there fair. I would not mind hearing people opinions on the matter as I feel this is a serious issue that should be addressed by all members of the guild.
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:22 pm
I think there should be some kind of anti-harassment rule so that we don't have people harassing others.
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:48 am
I just looked over the gaia TOS. This is what it says on harassment in section 4a under Prohibited content. Quote: Prohibited Conduct -- BY USING GAIA ONLINE YOU AGREE not TO: "stalk", harass, threaten, or defraud other Gaia Members; If you feel that we need more on this issue feel free to offer your thoughts.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:10 pm
It thought I should post again. It seems that there are really very few suggestions actually posted here. This tells me one of 2 things. ether the TOS rules are more then enough for everyone or this thread is being ignored.
I kind of think that it probably is because the TOS is more then enough. After all the TOS was put together by the gaia staff and has worked for gaia for several years. So I guess we can't improve on that. So I suggest we have a "TOS violation only banning policy".
However, the TOS does not cover banning practices on a guild. I personally have come to the conclusion that banning should only be done if someone violates the TOS. Akelon suggested to me that we should institute a 3 strike system. On the first 2 infractions you get a warning and on the 3rd you get banned. I feel this works as I do think adequate warnings should be given before banning a member. However, you can only warn so much and if a person is to unruly you have to act so a limit on how many warnings are required is needed.
However, I do think that there does need to be some way to moderate the crew so that banning is only carried out for these reason of TOS violations. After all, it is possible for a crew member to abuse there power and ban a person for no reason and I really do want to avoid that.
I was thinking that if there is a depute with a crew members banning practices, banned members should consult a crew member that has control over the crew members position such as myself or a vice-captain that is in charge of running the guild. (in other words not the kingdom hearts vice-captains as there not responsible for running the guild)
We will then investigate and check threads plus ask other members threw pm for information as such a search would have to be kept private and unknown to the person accused. After all evidence for TOS violations would be deleted by the crew member and we need to know what people have seen by asking people using that thread or we suspect have viewed that thread.
If there claims are found true then the crew member would be abusing there power and would be removed from the crew and the member who was wrongfully banned would get an invite back to the guild.
I was thinking that perhaps we should create a document that crew members should agree to when joining the crew. Stating there positions are given based on the trust of the guild captains and members, and that there position on the crew can be removed at any time they are found in violation of respecting a TOS only banning policy.
What do you all think? Do you think that is a good idea or am I jumping the gun a little to far and we still need a few more rules beyond TOS to run the guild by.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:04 pm
I think thats perfect. Nicely said
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:19 pm
Thanks. I do think that before we go with this though it really out be put to a vote as this will effect how the guild will be run from here on in.
I was thinking we could send out a mass announcement to all members. I know this can be done as I remember getting mail from gaia saying you can send announcements to all members of the guild back when they made it a new guild feature. I was thinking it could prompt people to vote on weather or not they think a TOS only banning policy would be good for the guild and I was also thinking that we could also have them vote on the 3 strike system you suggested at the same time.
After all if these are the rules that will govern the guild the guild should be given a say on weather or not these rules are fair.
Of course, we will need to leave the poll open for some time to inshore that all members get the chance to vote before tallying them. I was thinking about a week. What do you think?
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:40 pm
The 3 strike system sounds like it might work, as does the TOS Banning.
A suggestion for a guild rule might be to avoid talk about subjects that might make others uncomfortable. Also, if somebody says that a conversation is going somewhere they don't like, then they shouldn't continue with that topic.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:05 am
I felt this topic was old and unresponsive so I decided it was time to move it.
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