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 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:49 pm
It goes through it's periods.
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:55 am
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:00 pm
::bounces into the room with all the enthusiam of a newbie:: Hi guys and gals, it does seem a bit dead, but I'm used to dead boards, I find it my personal challenge to bring new life into dieing boards. Maybe it will work maybe it won't. Only time will tell, but I am an avid and active philospher so hopefully things will renew here.
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:04 pm
yes, lets revive this guild.
first thing - cogito ergo sum?
you quoted descartes' saying, translated as "i think, therefore i am." i am an existentialist, and many existentialists think descartes used faulty reasoning to conclude this, and that it is not necessarily true. i havent really thought long and hard on proving whether he was right or wrong, but just to play devils advocate, im going to say that he is wrong. debate.
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:21 pm
MegaTherion777 yes, lets revive this guild. first thing - cogito ergo sum? you quoted descartes' saying, translated as "i think, therefore i am." i am an existentialist, and many existentialists think descartes used faulty reasoning to conclude this, and that it is not necessarily true. i havent really thought long and hard on proving whether he was right or wrong, but just to play devils advocate, im going to say that he is wrong. debate. To do this debate justice I'll start a thread in the subforum. But inorder to flesh out this debate more, what is your opposing theory to existance?
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:13 pm
well like i said, i havent taken a whole bunch of time to think about it, but ill explain it in the thread
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:33 pm
ah i see you have not yet started said thread.
well heres a rough out line of my thoughts - im still more concerned with other things than disproving descartes, so if this has any holes in it its because i havent spent much time on it yet.
but i am an existentialist, with subjective nihilist tendencies. allow me to explain subjective nihilism: its a term i came up with myself, so feel free to suggest a better/more accurate one, that basically takes my existential belief in subjectivity and applies that to everything. there is no truth, everything is open to interpretation. everything is both denied and affirmed, depending on my viewpoint.
so anyway...building on that, i believe sartre - "subjectivity is the starting point" - there is no truth. going from that, cogito ergo sum is thus not true.
but, aside from belief in truth or untruth, "i think therefore i am" is not a complete argument. a logical argument would read 1) i think 2) things that think exist 3) therefore, i exist. but how can we say that things that think must exist? if something was thinking but didnt exist, we wouldn't know. plus, certainly not all things that exist think - rocks, etc. and what is thought? how can you say you think? its not something that is seen or felt or heard or tasted or touched, so no outsider can say that you think. you can neither prove to me that you think, nor that you exist. but if indeed you do think and exist, shouldnt you be able to prove this?
sorry, this is really rough and jumbled, i know. try reading some existentialist philosophy to get a better understanding of my meaning. like descartes i've begun to doubt everything, but right now im focusing on some other things rather than if i exist or not. frankly i dont really care if i dont exist or if i do, it doesnt change the fact that i appear to.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:26 pm
Devinette miss jewel Dang, I finally got accepted into this guild and it's practically expired... Yeah, the same story with me. Dammit! That's pretty silly. The guild is made up by it's members. It's alive if you make it that way. smile
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:40 pm
Necera Devinette miss jewel Dang, I finally got accepted into this guild and it's practically expired... Yeah, the same story with me. Dammit! That's pretty silly. The guild is made up by it's members. It's alive if you make it that way. smile I concur! biggrin heart
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:02 pm
MegaTherion777 *snip* frankly i dont really care if i dont exist or if i do, it doesnt change the fact that i appear to. doesn't someone/thing have to exist in order to witness/affirm that you appear to be existing? also, lemme apologize for my lack of more constant posting, i'm in the middle of moving right now and i rarely have internet access sad
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:41 pm
nightlight MegaTherion777 *snip* frankly i dont really care if i dont exist or if i do, it doesnt change the fact that i appear to. doesn't someone/thing have to exist in order to witness/affirm that you appear to be existing? also, lemme apologize for my lack of more constant posting, i'm in the middle of moving right now and i rarely have internet access sad Well bugger, I hope you get the webnets back soon! Also, I'd like to contribute this because this is what popped into my head (thank you Prof. Brent Taylor): By saying that you don't believe in truth you're acknowledging it's existence. Or...something... -passes out to avoid becoming more delirious-
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:37 am
MegaTherion777 yes, lets revive this guild. first thing - cogito ergo sum? you quoted descartes' saying, translated as "i think, therefore i am." i am an existentialist, and many existentialists think descartes used faulty reasoning to conclude this, and that it is not necessarily true. i havent really thought long and hard on proving whether he was right or wrong, but just to play devils advocate, im going to say that he is wrong. debate. Please for the love of all that is not boring, do not EVER say that quote again. I have no objection to it, it's just that my one old Language Arts teacher had that in her room and she bored the living daylights out of my and that quote reminds me of her. All that aside I think I can help a bit with and old Latin quote, "quid pro quo" roughly tranlsated it means "this for that" or something similar. Finally I'll add my personally philosphy "Let people think what they want to, and let them do what they want to, and unless you really care for them, let them screw up their own life."
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:26 am
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