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 Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:06 pm
Well, it is true that we don't gather in bands and slaughter each other anymore, at least, on such a scale. I think.
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 5:31 pm
I think some of us still do...at least in some places of the world that we never hear about...
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 5:42 pm
Right but, I mean, as opposed to say the Dark Ages we are pretty straight about not being too violent, even if overall morality may not be much better.
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:29 pm
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:14 pm
Citizen Swooboo Right but, I mean, as opposed to say the Dark Ages we are pretty straight about not being too violent, even if overall morality may not be much better. True, but I also agree with what Ethan said. There are place in the world where terrible violence reigns free. These are generally hot places. Personally I think heat drives people mad and we should abandon all hot areas and not live in them unless the infrastructure is such that all can enjoy nice air conditioning. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:11 am
I think it's much more then all this, I mean, the more 'liberated' our society seems to get...the sicker the weirdo's are...I am prescribing feral urges in our society as possibly, or partially linked, to our whole system of culture. Tell me..why do you think violence fascinates people? Why do you think most people are bent to cruelty when they have some semblance of power; wether it's cruelty to the local clerk because the customer is always right, or it's cold behavior in an unblanced relationship because, one has more pwoer over the other. People ascribe often to dominace. I see it at work all the time, from my peers, to my superiors, to my underlings. Right now, there is a vicious power struggle their...people below us are pawns, and my peers have gone for blood in two factions against each other...it appears people are willing to risk ruining carrears that could lead them to early retirement, jobs they've worked their whole lives for, to attempt to destroy each other. I have one employ at work, who is destroying himself to attempt to find ways to rebel against us, and get away with it. I actually think he is looking to get fired so he can collect unemployement, but I won't make it easy for him, because he is a pain in the a**. He will leave of his own volition by the time I am done with him...I think:0)
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:19 am
Ok, well these are just micro power struggles that reflect the macro. These micro power struggles give the ones involved a sense of control in a world they don't have much control over. That is all it is. As above so below.
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:39 pm
I don't dissagree in the slightest....but in our nation...we don't slaughter people, but we metaphorically kill individuality. Do you think dylan kleebold killed conducted the columbine massacre because he simply a sociopath...or do you think having rocks and bottles thrown at him, along with a poor level of guidence and support in a society that glorifies violence had something to do with it? I mean, those kids had planned to escape to mexico, and thought there would be a movie made after them...they did it on Hitler's birthday as a symbolic gesture...these kids were not right...but they were not right for a reason...they had no proper comprehension of accountability, thought they would be serinated with their 15 minutes of fame, and why should they have? There was no really accountability for the people who persecuted them, they played video games that desensitized them towards violence, and they lived in a culture were violence was exciting, and they had little parrental guidence, lending there maturity to what they took from the crap we are fed. If they were such sicko's, why did most schools feel the need to ban trench coats after the fact? Do they think they have sociopaths around every corner, or do people realize how impressionable others are, and the crap they go through at the hands of their peers. I am sure these kids were sick in the head, but were they born sick, or were they made sick? My nephew is a pathological liar who seeks to manipulate everyone around him, I can tell you, that is a blessing of his fathers. That child will end up in jail, and there is no saving him at this point, and he is only 13...the bullshit he has been put through at other peoples whims is ridiculous.
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:19 pm
I think that one of them, whichever was the leader (probably Harris), was a homocidal sociopath and the other was either a sociopath or a follower in a folie de deux. I think that is why they did it, they were angry sociopaths and one of them or both had been homocidal for years (as detailed in Harris' journal).
I don't think that lack of accountability for the people that persecuted them led to them thinking that they too would not be held accountable. I think that they didn't think they would be held accountable, that they would escape and be infamous, because their thought processes were distorted.
You ask if they were born sick? Well I think they were born with the capacity to do what they did, certainly. Some people do not have that capacity no matter how they are tormened by peers and no matter how many violent games they play or lack of parental guidance they have. Most people do not do stuff like that and included in "most people" are some that suffer horribly at the hands of their peers or family.
Anyhow, as a bottom line I would say that it is complex. There is no one factor or something you can put your finger on - it is many things and all just combined with 2 people who had the capacity to do something like that.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:29 am
I think to some degree that I will have to except that assesment....but I am not complete convinced that atmosphere didn't cause the outcome...perhaps harris or kleebold, or both were sociopaths to some extent....or some great extent...but I still find it hard to believe it would have transpired if the element was different. I have several people at work who I am convinced are sociopaths....shrugs...by the way...one of the managers lost his job in that blood fight yesterday...it's very sad to see someone through away an 80,000$ a year job, bonus, over a grudge.
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