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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:34 am
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:35 am
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:04 pm
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:10 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:33 am
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:52 am
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Totle I seem to wavering in faith due to my sudden realization of how hypocritical Christianity is. I can't speak for other religions, because I'm ignorant about them. I have a problem with how, we're preached and lectured to be good honest Christians, and then we get to go to Heaven. That's great, but isn't that simple bribing us to be good? Doesn't that mean that we're good only to get into Heaven not because we genuinly are good natured? On top of that, what exactly is Heaven? A place where all you want you get... that's fine but you're going to get tired of that... real soon. And you have to stay there for what... like forever? What can we clearly define as Heaven?
I know exactly what your talking about.. christianity is full of things like this, as many religions are but this in particular has probably bothered me the most about the way christianity is structured and unlike you i am not ignorant of other religions, ive studied them >_<.
But yeah, the idea is.. christianity promotes being kind, sharing, giving, helping others etc. bascically unselfish acts, and yet, all of this is to gain them acess to heaven, so they are somewhat being selfish in preforming all these unselfish acts, assuming getting into heaven/gods good graces is their goal.. but we can assume that it is their goal if they are proper followers of the religion considering the religion is primarily about doing what god says, being an montheiastic abrahamic religion (basically, there is only one god, he is perfect, he knows everything, he is always right, we are in his debt, etc etc) despite the various ways it can be interpreted. I am however aware that many if not most christians do good because they are good people. It is the religion in itself, the way it is stuctured that is the problem, christianity like all religions was born with and is of good intention, it seems however.. that despite good intentions, the method was/is poor. A good idea, with good intention, poorly preformed for lack of a better word atm >_< but im sure you all know what i mean. sigh
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:18 am
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:23 pm
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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:17 am
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durrypoo Super Perfundo Third, faith is for people who have nothing better to do. There's no time for it in this fast-paced world. I have to strongly disagree with this. Faith goes beyond religion, faith includes all kind of personal beliefs. There is place for it in this world: being optimistic about how situations we can control is a matter of faith, believing in ourselves being able to win at a certain competition is also a matter of faith, trusting in our friends being true is also a matter of faith. Also, religious faith(I'm assuming you reffered to it in your reply) is not for people who have nothing better to do, some people are very hard working, or very good persons because their religious faiths tell them to be that way. I'm not religious, but I'm a person who lives with faith.
i think you have confused Faith, with Hope.
You HOPE things will go well or not go bad. You don't blindly believe things will go well or go bad absolutely based on nothing.
and trust is not the same as Faith either, you are again, not blindly believing in something absolutely which cant be proved, but instead you are choosing to risk something based on a voluntarily placed belief. for example:
"i am going to choose to trust you in our relationship, not because im not open to the possibility that you wont cheat on me, i know you might, but i am simply placing my hope in you, rendering me vulnerable because I recognize the lack of sense in worrying about that which has not happened yet when it is detrimental to that which i am trying to achieve, and I wish to be happy within and outside of our relationship"
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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:52 am
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:41 pm
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moyga durrypoo Super Perfundo Third, faith is for people who have nothing better to do. There's no time for it in this fast-paced world. I have to strongly disagree with this. Faith goes beyond religion, faith includes all kind of personal beliefs. There is place for it in this world: being optimistic about how situations we can control is a matter of faith, believing in ourselves being able to win at a certain competition is also a matter of faith, trusting in our friends being true is also a matter of faith. Also, religious faith(I'm assuming you reffered to it in your reply) is not for people who have nothing better to do, some people are very hard working, or very good persons because their religious faiths tell them to be that way. I'm not religious, but I'm a person who lives with faith. i think you have confused Faith, with Hope. You HOPE things will go well or not go bad. You don't blindly believe things will go well or go bad absolutely based on nothing. and trust is not the same as Faith either, you are again, not blindly believing in something absolutely which cant be proved, but instead you are choosing to risk something based on a voluntarily placed belief. for example: "i am going to choose to trust you in our relationship, not because im not open to the possibility that you wont cheat on me, i know you might, but i am simply placing my hope in you, rendering me vulnerable because I recognize the lack of sense in worrying about that which has not happened yet when it is detrimental to that which i am trying to achieve, and I wish to be happy within and outside of our relationship"
And you are unjustly confusing the terms belief and faith as though they are interchangeable when they clearly are not.
Hope Faith and Belief are confusing terms that have settled meaning so he can use hope however he wants though just as you wrote:
"i am going to choose to trust you in our relationship, not because im not open to the possibility that you wont cheat on me, i know you might, but i am simply placing my hope in you, rendering me vulnerable because I recognize the lack of sense in worrying about that which has not happened yet when it is detrimental to that which i am trying to achieve, and I wish to be happy within and outside of our relationship"
You could replace the word hope in that statement with both the word Faith and the word Believe and it would not falsify the statement at all. But are we saying different things or changing the meaning of the sentence at all? Or perhaps missusing one of those words?
Tell me why you use faith and belief as though they are the same things. To me, they clearly seem different. Indeed even with your beloved gripping of certainty about definitions those two words are not defined the same at all, so why do you use them interchangably?
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