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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:12 pm
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:17 am
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:10 pm
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:22 pm
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:22 am
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 12:51 pm
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 11:09 am
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 12:23 pm
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x3 SuGarr CoOkiie Yes, it is considered suicide. That is why some religions rule out things like drinking alcohol, in the Islamic faith sheeks have even dubbed smoking as a sin in the same area as suicide. Harming your body is also another thing that is considered unacceptable in some religions and they go hand-in-hand.
If this is true then those same religions should rule out eating fast food. It is not considered suicide, and that is NOT the reason religions rule it out. They rule it out because it alters your ability to think and interact, in other words making it much easier to loose your ability to act in a moral fashion making you more susceptible to submit to those things each religion individually tells you not to submit to.
On a personal note, I smoke. I do not consider it suicide, and here's why:
Because it isn't killing me any faster than simply living in a city breathing in dirty air would, or eating fast food every day. People around me may hate it and i do my best to accommodate them in most situations but it is not even close to "killing yourself". If it is then so is any activity which you enjoy which may be harmful to your person.
The chances of your average smoker actually dying from anything related to smoking are about 1 in 500. That is, 1 in 500 smokers get lung cancer of suffer a premature heart attack due to the smoking and not other things, now it's true, that is a higher risk, but no higher than any other person who simply fails to take care of themselves. So why is it not suicide? Because sky diving isn't suicide...nor is bombing rapids, or rock climbing or any other activity that could get you killed in a heartbeat.
To call it suicide is to say that essentially I expect the smoking itself to kill me, but that is quite simply not the case. I don't smoke INTENDING for it to kill me, in point of fact I'm kind of counting on being one of those 499 out of 500 that don't die from smoking related causes. Thus it's not suicide by definition.
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:31 pm
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Niniva x3 SuGarr CoOkiie Yes, it is considered suicide. That is why some religions rule out things like drinking alcohol, in the Islamic faith sheeks have even dubbed smoking as a sin in the same area as suicide. Harming your body is also another thing that is considered unacceptable in some religions and they go hand-in-hand. If this is true then those same religions should rule out eating fast food. It is not considered suicide, and that is NOT the reason religions rule it out. They rule it out because it alters your ability to think and interact, in other words making it much easier to loose your ability to act in a moral fashion making you more susceptible to submit to those things each religion individually tells you not to submit to. On a personal note, I smoke. I do not consider it suicide, and here's why: Because it isn't killing me any faster than simply living in a city breathing in dirty air would, or eating fast food every day. People around me may hate it and i do my best to accommodate them in most situations but it is not even close to "killing yourself". If it is then so is any activity which you enjoy which may be harmful to your person. The chances of your average smoker actually dying from anything related to smoking are about 1 in 500. That is, 1 in 500 smokers get lung cancer of suffer a premature heart attack due to the smoking and not other things, now it's true, that is a higher risk, but no higher than any other person who simply fails to take care of themselves. So why is it not suicide? Because sky diving isn't suicide...nor is bombing rapids, or rock climbing or any other activity that could get you killed in a heartbeat. To call it suicide is to say that essentially I expect the smoking itself to kill me, but that is quite simply not the case. I don't smoke INTENDING for it to kill me, in point of fact I'm kind of counting on being one of those 499 out of 500 that don't die from smoking related causes. Thus it's not suicide by definition. This is true. You can look it up if you like. If you ask a Shieks/Immams weather or not smoking is sin they will tell you it is with harming your body/suicide.
Another thing, when you smoke you're taking a gamble. (Oh, another "sin".) Not everyone gets lung cancer, but some do. It doesn't mean it has to be the person that smokes two packs a-day, it could be the one that smokes one a month. It is all chance.
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:34 am
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x3 SuGarr CoOkiie Niniva x3 SuGarr CoOkiie Yes, it is considered suicide. That is why some religions rule out things like drinking alcohol, in the Islamic faith sheeks have even dubbed smoking as a sin in the same area as suicide. Harming your body is also another thing that is considered unacceptable in some religions and they go hand-in-hand. If this is true then those same religions should rule out eating fast food. It is not considered suicide, and that is NOT the reason religions rule it out. They rule it out because it alters your ability to think and interact, in other words making it much easier to loose your ability to act in a moral fashion making you more susceptible to submit to those things each religion individually tells you not to submit to. On a personal note, I smoke. I do not consider it suicide, and here's why: Because it isn't killing me any faster than simply living in a city breathing in dirty air would, or eating fast food every day. People around me may hate it and i do my best to accommodate them in most situations but it is not even close to "killing yourself". If it is then so is any activity which you enjoy which may be harmful to your person. The chances of your average smoker actually dying from anything related to smoking are about 1 in 500. That is, 1 in 500 smokers get lung cancer of suffer a premature heart attack due to the smoking and not other things, now it's true, that is a higher risk, but no higher than any other person who simply fails to take care of themselves. So why is it not suicide? Because sky diving isn't suicide...nor is bombing rapids, or rock climbing or any other activity that could get you killed in a heartbeat. To call it suicide is to say that essentially I expect the smoking itself to kill me, but that is quite simply not the case. I don't smoke INTENDING for it to kill me, in point of fact I'm kind of counting on being one of those 499 out of 500 that don't die from smoking related causes. Thus it's not suicide by definition. This is true. You can look it up if you like. If you ask a Shieks/Immams weather or not smoking is sin they will tell you it is with harming your body/suicide. Another thing, when you smoke you're taking a gamble. (Oh, another "sin".) Not everyone gets lung cancer, but some do. It doesn't mean it has to be the person that smokes two packs a-day, it could be the one that smokes one a month. It is all chance.
So is walking down the street, or driving a car. And and "sheik/shamman" who says that smoking is a sin thats "right up there with suicide" is not impressive to me. If it is, then why isn't eating fastfood or drinking alcohol considered a sin? They both are much more harmful to your body then smoking.
Not to mention "harming your body" can be interpreted several hundred different ways with varying degrees so who can know who is correct? Are these Shieks and Shamman correct? Or am I? Or are Europeans of which more than 60% smoke? Are they all living in sin? If smoking is a sin then there are an aweful lot of wonderful people throughout history who have lived in sin unwittingly their entire lives. I fail to see how this is the case. Until about 50 years ago we weren't even aware that smoking cause death so....was it not a sin before that then? How does one decide if it's a sin or not a sin?
Not to mention, how is this pertinent to suicide?
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:53 am
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:46 pm
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:30 am
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