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 Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:09 am
Ok... I just got an idea from a friend of mine and a discussion we had, and before that a topic I dropped by in.
So... earlier last night I had found a topic in the guild talking about everyone having figured out they could make astral limbs on themselves like wings and such.
Naturally, the posts started to remind me of my own phantom limbs which I ended up with requiring no effort on my part. They just seemed to "come up" and also come and go as they please.
Talking to my friend... he is interested in psychology, and pretty much said to me that while I could very well be dragon in spirit (which isn't the point of this topic), the phantom limbs are something that is made up (which is the topic).
He had asked me to list the different things I feel... so of course I made mention of what I notice the most: wings, tail, ears, claws, and the snout.
He took a bit... and then started listing things like how I most likely don't notice a different posture, don't feel the skin between the fingers, how my teeth are too far back... etc.
And... I think the whole thing sort of got lost there when I said "wait" because I didn't even understand what he was saying.
But... that was his point of it... because of the things I don't notice it couldn't be something from being dragon in spirit, but just a creation of my subconscious mind.
I think now though, and while the topic still stands... he was referring to being human and feeling those things. Counterargument? Um... I think being human I'm used to those things...
Anyway... I would like discussion on this, about phantom limbs or what not just being created by the mind, but not really having any sort of bearing on whether someone is actually otherkin or not.
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:42 pm
If your question is simply "Can I imagine I have a third arm and feel it?" then yes. It's possible. Psychologicly speaking, if a person believes something is happening to them strong enough, it will happen to them. The theory is wide spread and has a lot of basis to it, but thus far it's hard to determine how FAR it can go.
I can sit right here and close my eyes and imagine someone touching my arm and sure enough I'll feel a phantom feeling in that area. All dirived from what I'm thinking.
People can easily make up phantom limbs and give them feelings and properties that don't correspond with what phantom limbs truely ARE. That doesn't mean those feelings are any less real to them. They feel them just fine, and may in fact, feel them as something more solid than acctual phantom limbs. Just be careful saying that to them in you want to walk away alive. They can get rather protective.
I would continue on about the properties of phantom limbs to solidify my point, but I wouldn't want to stray from the subject at hand...
So that's what I have to say.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:38 pm
Vixen13 If your question is simply "Can I imagine I have a third arm and feel it?" then yes. It's possible. Psychologicly speaking, if a person believes something is happening to them strong enough, it will happen to them. The theory is wide spread and has a lot of basis to it, but thus far it's hard to determine how FAR it can go. I can sit right here and close my eyes and imagine someone touching my arm and sure enough I'll feel a phantom feeling in that area. All dirived from what I'm thinking. People can easily make up phantom limbs and give them feelings and properties that don't correspond with what phantom limbs truely ARE. That doesn't mean those feelings are any less real to them. They feel them just fine, and may in fact, feel them as something more solid than acctual phantom limbs. Just be careful saying that to them in you want to walk away alive. They can get rather protective. I would continue on about the properties of phantom limbs to solidify my point, but I wouldn't want to stray from the subject at hand... So that's what I have to say. So, does this mean you would happen to know how you could tell the difference between one "made" and one that I guess would be considered "always present"? sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:58 am
Vixen13 If your question is simply "Can I imagine I have a third arm and feel it?" then yes. It's possible. Psychologicly speaking, if a person believes something is happening to them strong enough, it will happen to them. Aye aye to that. I don't typically see the PL phenomena applied to otherkin; it has valid grounding for those who have had amputations and such, but for otherkin? That's probably treading the line of psyching yourself out to believe in it, as Vixen mentions. The PL phenomena specifically arrives by amputations and as far as I know, nothing else... not some 'missing' limb you had in some other form. Of course, depending on how otherkin are described, I don't put too much stock in the phenomena so I'm a bit biased towards this sort of conclusion.
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:11 pm
If you want to know whether or not yours are made up, the only person who can really answer that is you. The trick is to be really rigorously honest with yourself and pay attention to whether or not a part of you feels uncomfortable under the interrogation lamps.
In most cases, I can tell if I'm bullshitting myself simply by paying attention to what I tell myself. If I notice I'm repeating the same thing over and over to myself, chances are quite high that I'm trying to convince myself of something [for example: "Chuck's a really great friend." "Wow, I'm so lucky to have a friend like Chuck." "I can't picture us dating AT ALL." "Nope, he's just a really good friend."]. If it's something I only think about when someone else brings it up, I can rest assured I'm probably experiencing it legitimately [example: "What do you mean, I don't have any brothers? I have a brother. We talk all the time. You just haven't met him because he's dead."].
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