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 Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:55 pm
Is a Trans gendered Female/Female pairing considered a Shoujo ai pairing? For this you need to ask yourself, is a woman only her body? or is she more her spirit? Many Pre-op TG women still have their "male bit", but see themself as homosexual female. So you need to ask yourself, are they lesbian? or denied the right to be lesbian based on being born in the wrong body?
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:36 pm
Fancy seeing you here, Michelle! surprised
And, yes, I feel it qualifies as such.
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:05 pm
There's a thread in the lounge asking about what makes a girl a girl, if you're interested in discussing that separately.
I think it depends on the viewer and their interpretation of the genre. In a broad sense, yes, it definitely is shoujo-ai, because it is a form of girl love, girl-on-girl-love.
I personally see it as very definite shoujo-ai material, because a person's gender (mental, psychological) is separate from their sex (biological, physical). To me, a transgendered person who identifies as female is female, and so if they like predominantly women and identify as lesbian, they're totally lesbian.
However, shoujo-ai and yuri is an entertainment genre, not necessarily an in-life scenario and interpretation of such. Many shoujo-ai fans are in it for the girl bits on girl bits, so and to them it may not be shoujo-ai/yuri because they may view one or more of the participants as not female or simply not a turn-on (which in a lot of ways, shoujo-ai/yuri is intended to be). For this reason, I think that it's really up to the person reading/watching/enjoying the material.
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Just as a warning, I do not think it is fair for people to slam what other people like. Everyone is entitled to like or dislike what they do, but there's no need to call anything "disgusting" or "wrong" or "stupid" just because it's not to one's taste. That said, anyone caught doing so here or elsewhere in the guild will receive serious warnings.
It is fine if you do not see transgendered yuri as actual yuri material, but I will not have members of my guild being negative about others' preferences or gender identities.
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:49 pm
Personally, I think it counts as shoujo-ai or yuri as long as both people identify as females. I suppose it's kind of a matter of opinion though.
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:51 am
Well I see YURI as a genre for the Physical fem/fem, I think SHOUJO AI is more of an emotional genre so TG would fall into that category, though, this is mainly my opinion. *Waves enthusiastically to Celestia* Hi beautiful!
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:22 pm
Hmm... That actually reminds me of a question I've been wanting to ask...
There's this Anime called Princess Princess about an all boys boarders school, with like 5 guys who are chosen to be the girls of the school... When I read about it, it was put under Shonen Ai, but I wondered if it really fit in that category...
Haha and it also reminds me of a story a friend told me not all too long ago... She slept with this guy and found out (afterwards) he was (once) a girl.... I got into this major debate with another friend on whether or not it was right of the guy not to tell her beforehand and that he lied and whatnot. I said it didn't matter cause he's a guy now, and just because he once was a girl doesn't still make him one and thus it doesn't matter. And besides that, my friend's bi anyways so whether guy or girl shouldn't matter. *shrugs* Haha that was one hella an English class xD
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:45 pm
RaisaRose Personally, I think it counts as shoujo-ai or yuri as long as both people identify as females. I suppose it's kind of a matter of opinion though. same :]
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:59 pm
Mikajino Hmm... That actually reminds me of a question I've been wanting to ask... There's this Anime called Princess Princess about an all boys boarders school, with like 5 guys who are chosen to be the girls of the school... When I read about it, it was put under Shonen Ai, but I wondered if it really fit in that category... Haha and it also reminds me of a story a friend told me not all too long ago... She slept with this guy and found out (afterwards) he was (once) a girl.... I got into this major debate with another friend on whether or not it was right of the guy not to tell her beforehand and that he lied and whatnot. I said it didn't matter cause he's a guy now, and just because he once was a girl doesn't still make him one and thus it doesn't matter. And besides that, my friend's bi anyways so whether guy or girl shouldn't matter. *shrugs* Haha that was one hella an English class xD
Haha and, well...I think it was fine of him not to tell because he really isn't a girl now, and since she didn't notice it probably wouldn't have done any harm anyway. I'm pretty lax about secrets as far as transgendered issues go, since there's good reason to hide things like that as a trans individual...but that's an interesting situation. XD
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:11 pm
Makes sense to me ^.^
Exactly my point. Haha it was a very interesting situation to hear about in the middle of English class. Man oh man... I burst out laughing. And then got into the heated debate... Poor Mrs Wall...
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:13 am
I think it depends on whether the the person is really transgendered or not.
Your probably ready to ask what I mean by this and I have to say since we are talking about anime things like this can happen.
Example: Kashimashi Girl meets Girl. A boy gets hit by a spaceship and turns into a girl. Then continues life as a woman in love with other women. I tend to thing that he is still a man inside.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:25 pm
Rei ojou-sama I think it depends on whether the the person is really transgendered or not. Your probably ready to ask what I mean by this and I have to say since we are talking about anime things like this can happen. Example: Kashimashi Girl meets Girl. A boy gets hit by a spaceship and turns into a girl. Then continues life as a woman in love with other women. I tend to thing that he is still a man inside.
For that reason, I definitely classify Kashimashi as shoujo-ai. Not only are the pairings girl x girl physically, but Hazumu is a girl in more than just body--she's really transgendered to me, a girl all the way through.
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:56 am
I agree on that point the series is loaded with various implications anyways. You could just count it as Hazumu (I can never remember any names form Girl meets girl) being naive but it shows you what he was like as child. Which in that time he desired to be a bride himself, also the fact she's encouraged by her parents is a small but notable point there.
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:52 pm
Going back to the original topic, I think that the story would be shoujo-ai, since both identify themselves female.
I think it would be the same if one of the characters had no physical sexual traits at all, but still acted and identified themselves as female.
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:43 pm
kageling Rei ojou-sama I think it depends on whether the the person is really transgendered or not. Your probably ready to ask what I mean by this and I have to say since we are talking about anime things like this can happen. Example: Kashimashi Girl meets Girl. A boy gets hit by a spaceship and turns into a girl. Then continues life as a woman in love with other women. I tend to thing that he is still a man inside.
For that reason, I definitely classify Kashimashi as shoujo-ai. Not only are the pairings girl x girl physically, but Hazumu is a girl in more than just body--she's really transgendered to me, a girl all the way through.Makes perfect logical sense. Even when she was male, he didn't show certain attitudes that men in general have. He'd make a perfect uke if he stayed biologically male though. *cough* The bride thing was adorable. < 3 But that's just my opinion. xD
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:45 pm
Tybalt C Montague Makes perfect logical sense. Even when she was male, he didn't show certain attitudes that men in general have. He'd make a perfect uke if he stayed biologically male though. *cough* The bride thing was adorable. < 3 But that's just my opinion. xD
The bride thing was totally adorable! I totally awww'd when I read that. He could have played uke for a girl though, hahaha. Though she's kind of doing that now...well, the pairings seem more equally balanced when she's female, probably 'cause she really seems to slip into the identity.
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