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kageling
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:21 am


So I've heard this tossed around a lot, that a lot of people, even queer people--and especially in the lesbian community--are wary of or even averse to bisexuals. Advice is sometimes passed around lesbian communities that "You don't want to date a bisexual woman," and so on.

I have to say that in my personal experience with a young, high-school and college-aged experience with the gay girl community in relatively liberal areas, I've never encountered this very strongly. So I wanted to ask, has anyone else ever run into this kind of thing? Girls advising against bisexuals, or being unsure of dating a bisexual, or anything else like that. These things may be considered biphobia. Biphobia goes along the same lines of homophobia--you don't have to be "afraid" of bisexuals; biphobia is "aversion to bisexuals as individuals or as a social group." Biphobia is often based on stereotypes about bisexuals ("slutty") and/or bisexual erasure, saying that they don't actually exist.

I wanted to deconstruct it, too. What makes queer women so averse to dating a bisexual person? What is it, for instance, about your partner leaving you and dating someone of the other sex after you that grinds on so many girls' (and guys') nerves? Why is that such a huge deal? Do you honestly think, even if you know this person will never cheat on you, that it's a bad idea to date them?

What is it about bisexuality that makes people think this way? What are your thoughts?

I'm going to be infamous for starting serious discussions, aren't I? XD
PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:28 pm


Yes, Kage! You will become rather infamous for starting the chain of The Topics...serious business.

Honestly, being a lesbian myself, I don't see what the huge problem is about dating bisexuals. The phobia of dating a bisexual may stem from the fact that some, if not few, girls do date both a guy and a girl simultaneously. And because of that, they are seen as promiscuous by many. I have to say that I know and have met bisexuals who are seriously cuddle phreaks (<3) and honestly don't want to have sex as much as say, myself. Really, if I could tell not only the lesbian community, but every community, to seriously stop the biphobia, I seriously would (actually, I think I will; nothing is stopping me). They want love just as much as us and ******** deserve it!

It shouldn't matter whether the person is bisexual, lesbian, etc., what matters about the person is their personality in my honest opinion. I know how it feels to be assumed to be a bad person just because of a characteristic (me for my outward appearance); wrongly assumed upon by another who doesn't even know you.

And yes, my grammar today is choppy-ish. I'm feeling really...touchy and picky and...blech. Dx So, forgive me.

Toxicity_of_Len


kageling
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:49 pm


([ - Madam Lenny - ] wink
...I know and have met bisexuals who are seriously cuddle phreaks (<3) and honestly don't want to have sex as much as say, myself.

<__< ...Are you talking about me here or somethin'?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:08 pm


kageling
([ - Madam Lenny - ] wink
...I know and have met bisexuals who are seriously cuddle phreaks (<3) and honestly don't want to have sex as much as say, myself.

<__< ...Are you talking about me here or somethin'?
Maaaybe, Ms. Cuddlebutt. ;] Lubbles j00~.

Toxicity_of_Len


Jewelslayer

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:57 pm


HEY! wants wrong with cuddling? I love to cuddle!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:50 pm


slayer71289
HEY! wants wrong with cuddling? I love to cuddle!

Whoa, we're veering off topic here. If we want to spend more time dicussing cuddling, best create a new thread or take it to the Tangent Thread.

There's nothing wrong with cuddling, Len's just teasing. I don't really know, though, if cuddling versus sex drive has anything to do with it. As Len said, though, it could be a fear that the bisexual person may be more promiscuous or more inclined to be so, since they can't "commit" to people of one sex.

However, biphobia is sometimes not even entirely conscious. A lot of girls don't consciously think that a bisexual girl will cheat on them, even--like I said, one thing I've noticed is simply fear that the person will follow their relationship by dating someone of the opposite sex. This seems to be a huge slap in the face, but I can't figure out why.

Even for me, it's kind of something a little unconscious. For some reason or another, I think it's really cute if a girl is only attracted to other girls. This doesn't really make much sense to me since I'm bisexual myself, so it feels like an odd almost-double-standard.

kageling
Vice Captain


Jewelslayer

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:19 pm


yeah...totally...saw some of my friends my old high school the other day, they're some of my Bi and Lesbian friends...my god I wish I had my camera that day...anyway yeah, we got into a really big discussion about our views on girls attracted to other girls...it was quite interesting...never thought I'd ever have that intteligent of a conversation before
PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:24 am


I think one of the reasons some lesbos will avoid bisexuals is the idea. Well if I were to date this girl, fall in love and such. Would she leave to be with a man because that is the more acceptable??

Also then there is the ignorant view of "people just claim to be bi, they simply should choose on and stick to it." These of course being two I can think of, and amoung what is most likely many others.

Winget
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forever~crying~inside

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:28 pm


I think maybe there may be biphobia because lesbians don't want to be played by somebody claiming to be bi just so they can get attention from guys. Just a thought. *Shrugs* And I know that this wouldn't be the only reason for biphobia.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:06 pm


o:
Honestly speaking,
I prefer not to date bisexual.No offense though! sweatdrop
(Although I prob won't object much if that's the way my girl wanna live 3nodding )

It just that,
I think it can be complicated when you date someone who is bisexual...

(One of crazy thought I have:
"A" is a girl and she is dating "B"
"B" is dating "A" and "Z"
"Z" is a guy and dates "X" beside "B"
"X" is a guy and dates a girl named "C"
---keep going and going eek )


also,
as you(Kage) said genders don't matter right?
Well, I'll be (at least) a bit jealous if my girl share intimate relationship with someone else than me...don't care whether it's a girl or a guy. Nobody likes to get through a heartbreak ...

Another possibility,
Not all people are strong and manage to fight to live their life with the constraint of society's expectation.
I'm not saying bisexuals will give up their love for girls because some social stuff...
but the possibility that they will is there.
And it is so much easier to assume lesbian won't swing that way as much as bisexuals girls because they can't help loving someone other than women.

Varei


kageling
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:13 pm


Valkeiloz
o:
Honestly speaking,
I prefer not to date bisexual.No offense though! sweatdrop
(Although I prob won't object much if that's the way my girl wanna live 3nodding )

It just that,
I think it can be complicated when you date someone who is bisexual...

(One of crazy thought I have:
"A" is a girl and she is dating "B"
"B" is dating "A" and "Z"
"Z" is a guy and dates "X" beside "B"
"X" is a guy and dates a girl named "C"
---keep going and going eek )


also,
as you(Kage) said genders don't matter right?
Well, I'll be (at least) a bit jealous if my girl share intimate relationship with someone else than me...don't care whether it's a girl or a guy

Another possibility,
Not all people are strong and manage to fight to live their life with the constraint of society's expectation.
I'm not saying bisexuals will give up their love for girls because some social stuff...
but the possibility that they will is there.
And it is so much easier to assume lesbian won't swing that way as much as bisexuals girls because they can't help loving someone other than women.

Well, what you posted definitely points out a really important point--a lot of people are under the impression that bisexuals date more than one person at once. The truth is, the vast majority of bisexuals, male and female, are monogamous, so it doesn't matter if they're attracted to both sexes--they'll only date one person at a time.

Because think about it, if you take gender out of that letter network you showed above, lesbians could do that too. So could gay guys. Straight people. And so on.

I can't say I'm not a little offended by the non-monogamous bisexual stereotyping, but I understand a little. Again, though, gotta point out that while dating a lesbian girl means a very small chance of her cheating on you with a guy, she could very well cheat on you with a hot girl, too.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:14 am


Well, I think the phobia is sometimes due to experience. My girlfriend has been with a bi chick before me and was cheated on. And her ex had slept with a man and even before they started dating she had slept with a guy after she had confessed to my girlfriend that she was in love her. Though I consider myself bi, I feel a huge slant of women, so people seem to see me as more of a "lesbian".

And the fear of a bisexual chick leaving a chick for a guy...I think a lot of relationships feel that way, be it a straight couple or between two males and I have a feeling I know why. It's the insecurity that they weren't good enough and possibly even in bed, if the relationship had gone that far and intimate. One would think "was my performance not good enough that you had to leave me for the opposite gender of their current relationship"? Of course, reality is really for the most part untrue in that standpoint, but love is a very sensitive matter and many are scared of being hurt, especially when it could be so personal.

Those are my thoughts and experience on the matter anyhoo.

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Varei

PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:39 am


kageling


Well, what you posted definitely points out a really important point--a lot of people are under the impression that bisexuals date more than one person at once. The truth is, the vast majority of bisexuals, male and female, are monogamous, so it doesn't matter if they're attracted to both sexes--they'll only date one person at a time.

Because think about it, if you take gender out of that letter network you showed above, lesbians could do that too. So could gay guys. Straight people. And so on.

I can't say I'm not a little offended by the non-monogamous bisexual
stereotyping, but I understand a little. Again, though, gotta point out thatwhile dating a lesbian girl means a very small chance of her cheating on you with a guy, she could very well cheat on you with a hot girl, too.


Nod2
Of course dating a women doesn't mean she won't cheats on you...

I think if I have to put it on words,
there may be some kind of other type of pressure for homosexuals...
Sorta like a pride issue that doesn't even have to do w/ the bisexuals they may date

I mean...you know even if you have come out of the closet
There could be some feeling of anger or hurt on how society seem to discriminate homosexuals.
I bet ignorant phrases like "Men should be with a woman" has impacts on homosexuals--feeling treated like inferior beings.

Let say I dated a bisexual girl and she left me for a guy,
people can claim something like "Hey I told you so. Women can't be happy without a man..."or something similar
The hurt is doubled.
1. You just broke up
2.Someone just slap you in the face saying woman can't live without a man. If that happens to me I will at least question myself if that statement is correct...especially when I just have my heart broken.

I don't know if you get what I mean but...
I think it just some fear of...loosing to a guy and having to question yourself? xD

EDIT:
A-HA! Just read Tama's responds ...
THAT basically what I'm trying to say
personal personal!!! >.<
PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:43 pm


I know that my personal biphobia is based mainly off of experience. Most of the girls in my area that claim to be bi are either trendwhores, sluts, or only doing it for the attention. Obviously, I know this isn't true for every girl, but it's hard to tell whether any specific girl is actually bi, or just trying to fit in...

Plus, I had quite a bit of trouble coming to terms with the fact that I'm bi. I claimed lesbianism for the longest time simply because I didn't want to be associated with what I consider to be the typical 'bi' chick. I still don't like people knowing that I'm bi. I'm afraid people will think I'm just claiming bisexuality because I want them to think I'm 'cool' x_____x

The point is, I'm still trying to get over my own internal biphobia. I'm not quite ready to force myself to let go of the biphobia I feel towards other people, no matter how illogical it is >___<

Caramel-Filled Messiah


Sionchan

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:20 pm


Messiah, I hear you! I still have my internal struggles with it myself. Sometimes when I find myself attracted to a guy, I get all concerned since I'm in a LTR and all. But after a while I calm down and remind myself that none of the labels or definition really matter. *shrugs* It's all an argument about semantics that nobody will win.

The stereotyping of bisexuals as promiscuous is part of the reason I identify as "queer" instead. Plus "queer" has lots of different meanings... it could be ANYthing, yanno? 4laugh
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