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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:15 pm
Here, I'll be posting a document I'm writing up. It's a constitution of sorts for a new governtment. One of my own design. As well as things that I've thought up that have something to do with all of it. Well, I hope do... All recent revilations I've had in the past few hours. Hope someone reads this and gives their input on it. Even if it's forever long...
Here's what started it all. The revilation I had earlier today:
"Sanity can only be achived when your soul preception of the world has become ambiliviant, and any man who views himself or someone else in the ideals of 'good' and 'evil' is insane. For, the ideals of good and evil are stamps we apply to ourselves and others in order to gain the aproval or disaproval of our fellow man."
"War and peace are realative and co-exist through domonance and submission. Just as life and death, one cannot be achived without the other"
Then I thought up the title to this thread:
"The path to peace lies under storm clouds of blood"
which I was thinking about for a while, and it sounded familier to me... so I thought a bit longer, and realized I had basicly refraised a quote by someone, although I'm not sure who, I've done a little research and found nothing... That quote is:
"The road to peace is paved in blood"
The two basicly say the same thing... Which is, you can't have peace unless you fight for it. Which is an ideal I believe in. You cant have anything for nothing. If you want it, you have to work for it. Like, you dont just get good grades, you have to work for them. At least for most people, this is the case. Unless you're born of such natural talent you dont have to do a thing for it. But then still, to be notticed, you have to work for that. Even if it is by accident, you still have to work for somthing to achive it.
I'll get to posting the document now. Each section will be given it's own post.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:16 pm
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:19 pm
Justice While there is no “Evil” in the world, there is unlawfulness. Is it evil, for a man/woman who has nothing, to steal to have something? This, being a rhetorical question, is not to be answered. As stated before, evil does not exist. Although, it is unlawful because of the birthright to own property and to take from one without proper payment for item, breaks the birthright. Thieves, who steal because they have nothing, after being proven guilty by way of fair trial, will be relocated to a labor prison, which is segregated by sex. Where the said offender(s) will be taught a trade that is needed by the public, to give back to the community, here the offender(s) will be housed for five (5) years. They will be paid for their services in full after the five (5) year term is finished the minimum wage of what was the beginning of their term of incarceration, with the universal federal tax of ten percent (10%) of total yearly income. If the offender(s) have family to provide for the money they earn in the labor prison will be provided in weekly allowances to the family members. If the offender(s) children are unable to be cared for, they will be relocated to a place to be cared for until the offender(s) are set free, and only one third (1/3) of the allowance is provided for the child in foster care as to not abuse the money, by the foster parents or the child, the remainder of it will be given upon the child be coming of age or the offender leaving the labor prison and being reunited with the child. Thieves who steal for the pleasure of it will be subject to the same incarceration, but with the additional bonus of being branded with an “S” on their neck, using a hot branding iron. Rape is an injustice, and mockery of human life. Rapists upon capture will be given a fair trial, and if proven guilty will be incarcerated within the labor prisons for eight (8 ) years per victim (multiple rapes on the same victim apply the same as multiple victims), along with the additional punishment of having one (1) testicle removed, and being branded with the letter R. They will work in groups, paving roads and fixing bridges. Also paid for their labor, but half (1/2) of the wage they make is paid in a weekly allowance to their victim(s), and if the victim(s) are impregnated by the rapist, two thirds (2/3) are paid to the victim(s) as compensation. If the rapist has a family, one third (1/3) of the allowance is provided for the family, or child in foster to continue to aid the offender’s family. If there is a second offence after the initial incarceration, the rapist will be completely castrated and punished in the same way. A third offence, after the second incarceration will provide a similar punishment following an execution after the term of punishment (8 years) is finished. Murder, if included in the rape charge, will be explained in the murder charges below. Murderers will be given their fair trial after being apprehended, and will be given a twenty (20) year incarceration (per offence), where there is no freedom when finished. They too will be placed in the labor prisons, but made to do smelting work in the underground, hot metal forges. They too will be paid, but, one hundred percent (100%), minus federal tax, of their wages will be paid in full to their victim’s family. This, ties in with the rape charges if the two crimes are performed together. The punishment is finite and unavoidable. If proven guilty for murder, unless in self defense, the offender will be executed after the term of labor is finished. If a murder is committed in self defense, or under the effects of alcohol or drugs, the terms of punishment will be less severe and mitigated with judge, jury, and all those involved directly as a murder has still been committed. Abuse/Neglect is charged in the same manner. The offender(s) will be given a fair trial and if proven guilty, will be sentenced to three (3) years in a labor prison, per offence deemed by the judge. There, they will work and two thirds (2/3) of the money that is earned will go to the abused in a weekly allowance, if the abused is a child, the same manner of allowance will be put into place as to any other child involved other crimes committed by a family member. If they are not cleared of their crimes, the offender will be sentenced to the remainder of the terms of punishment as appropriately deemed by a judge. If the offender(s) is/are a juvenile (under the age of sixteen (16) the juvenile will be placed in a juvenile hall where the remainders of its child years are carried out learning the same as if not in a child prison. Upon reaching the age of sixteen (16), one (1) week is allowed for the offender to clean out its dormitory and prepare for an adult trial. If the offender is cleared of its crime, he/she is placed in a minimum security labor prison to work up money for their new life and when the year is up, they are free to leave and start fresh a minimum of five hundred (500) miles from where they committed the crime as to not be put to prejudices from bitter locals. Lesser crimes will be fined, money paid in full to the proper reciprocates and a branding will take place on the neck with the correct initials below. A full list of branding, branding is done on the neck, using a hot iron rod heated and sterilized in a fire. It is done in a painful medieval way as to dissuade individuals from performing acts of violence, treachery, injustice, and etcetera. Adultery: AD Assault: A Drug Abuse: DA *****: ***** Abuse: PA/MA/CA Rape: R Theft: S And etcetera
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:20 pm
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:32 pm
Some other thing I'll probably think up that should be added, most likely Millitery in persuasion
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:23 pm
oh my god will, that is amazing! i love it. just need to be a tad more specific on things, and don't forget to include minors in the other crimes. i mean you can say that the minors will get the same punishment for some things, but you have to put it in the proper context. personally, that is the reason i hate politics, is cause you have to put something in the right context or it wont fly.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:42 pm
When I said about the juvaniles, i ment for all around, not just that one particular one above it. But glad you actually read it. The government bit isnt done yet, nor is the laws. but I'm working on them.
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:40 am
 I don't like the branding. There are too many people who later get exonerated of all charges because new information comes up that makes it completely obvious they were framed/wrongly accused/etc. Yet all their life they'll be stuck with this brand. And even so, there are all sorts of things made to reduce the appearance of scars medicinally. Then there's plastic surgery as well. So the criminals will hide it, and the innocent will be screwed.
TAX EVASION? That gets branded? My father's a tax evader, because he was IN THE HOSPITAL during tax season one year, and completely forgot about taxes because he was busy almost DYING.
& what constitutes drug abuse? The use of illegal drugs? Does using illegal drugs in your own home count as drug abuse? Plenty of people get ******** suckered into doing drugs because of being with the wrong crowds, and THOSE are the people who get ******** caught. Drug PUSHERS are the ones who should be imprisoned. They're the ones doing the really illegal crap. Cut off the supply and nobody will be using it.
If our justice system was all-knowing and perfect, then sure, this would be fine. But it's NOT. Why? Because of the human factor. We're only human, we make mistakes, and even the most impartial person has pre-conceived notions of things. And if we had machines they'd completely ignore the human factor that leads us to commit these crimes.
Sorry man, but I don't like it. The punishment and such for the major crimes that you've gone into and listed is fine. It's just the branding for "lesser crimes."
<3
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:44 pm
well will did say this was a rough form, i am sure that when he works out the kinks you'll like it. and im pretty sure that you could just outlaw plastic sugeons from performing anything that will get rid of the brand. because i think they check your medical records or somthing and it will be simple to get rid of it. you could also brand with a tatto, and do a similar thing with tattoist to prevent the branded from covering up their tatto. plus tatto's are removable so you could remove them if you are proven innocent at a later date.
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:02 pm
KazeRin  I don't like the branding. There are too many people who later get exonerated of all charges because new information comes up that makes it completely obvious they were framed/wrongly accused/etc. Yet all their life they'll be stuck with this brand. And even so, there are all sorts of things made to reduce the appearance of scars medicinally. Then there's plastic surgery as well. So the criminals will hide it, and the innocent will be screwed.
TAX EVASION? That gets branded? My father's a tax evader, because he was IN THE HOSPITAL during tax season one year, and completely forgot about taxes because he was busy almost DYING.
& what constitutes drug abuse? The use of illegal drugs? Does using illegal drugs in your own home count as drug abuse? Plenty of people get ******** suckered into doing drugs because of being with the wrong crowds, and THOSE are the people who get ******** caught. Drug PUSHERS are the ones who should be imprisoned. They're the ones doing the really illegal crap. Cut off the supply and nobody will be using it.
If our justice system was all-knowing and perfect, then sure, this would be fine. But it's NOT. Why? Because of the human factor. We're only human, we make mistakes, and even the most impartial person has pre-conceived notions of things. And if we had machines they'd completely ignore the human factor that leads us to commit these crimes.
Sorry man, but I don't like it. The punishment and such for the major crimes that you've gone into and listed is fine. It's just the branding for "lesser crimes."
<3rough draft still. There are things to be negotiated as of yet. I'm still working out kinks.
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:13 am
sacredsouless and im pretty sure that you could just outlaw plastic sugeons from performing anything that will get rid of the brand. because i think they check your medical records or somthing and it will be simple to get rid of it. you could also brand with a tatto, and do a similar thing with tattoist to prevent the branded from covering up their tatto. plus tatto's are removable so you could remove them if you are proven innocent at a later date.  The whole outlawing the removal is exactly why the people who are guilty would be the ones to remove it and the innocent would not. Guilty people are already guilty, what's one more crime, right? There will always be someone somewhere who would break the laws against brand-removal for a large amount of money. & Tattoos are super-easy to cover up with makeup. A layer of lipstick, a layer of concealer, and a touch of powder.
I'm giving my feedback because I know it's still in the works. Thus, giving you some material to work with as you make adjustments.
<3
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:19 pm
it was never said that you had to make the tatto normal. i bet some one could come up with a kind of ink that is shiny and very hard to coverup. i have a few ideas about that myself.
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:50 pm
can we do that?
the shiny tattooo bit...
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:28 am
 What comes to mind would be the Gold forehead tattoo the First Primes get in Stargate xd ; What they do is cut open the skin into the desired shape and pour in molten gold, applying a mold over it so it's appropriately shaped. It comes out to a mix of a brand and a tattoo.
But the only way to "reverse" that would still leave the person horrendously scarred for life. & would be equally as ridiculously painful.
No matter what the shininess of a tattoo, you could still cover it up, because the lipstick is very opaque, as is the concealer. You might need to use more, but that's about it.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:35 pm
there is laws in Iowa that prevents you from buying to much medicine, either with cash or credit. that is to prevent meth production. you can do that with lipstick and concealer. if some one buys a suspicious ammount of lipstick or concealer(sounds funny huh?) then you talk to them, and arrest if needed.
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