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 Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:32 pm
I'm thinking about it. and I'm like 75% sure that I'm going to. I feel bad though, because the only reason I would do army rather than marines is the money and then I'm like "am I betraying my own ideals?" It's not like money in pocket, it's for my ridiculously expensive school (ok expensive to me 21k a year). I also don't know how much I'm allowed to talk about my political beliefs. Even though the whole red scare is over, I kinda feel like being a communist would be looked at like being gay. Should I just try to pass it off like I'm a democrat? O_o;
>.<
-gags-
I dunno, kinda wanted your guys' opinion on the matter. Is there anyone in here that's enlisted?
Also, my fiance is joining the marines on the 21st of September, and he's a communist too. He's already decided to just shut the ******** up, but I personally find it hard to stay quiet. When someone says something like "all north koreans are COMMUNIST!" or anything that implies communism as evil... or just is dumb in any way (someone told me the other day when I was sharing the first story that they thought communism and then thought Hitler and I nearly died) I HAVE to correct them. Just.. thought I'd throw that in there too.
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:36 pm
Sorry to be the first one to always answer your posts.
First of all, how much do you know about the military?
Second, do you understand the life of a soldier?
third, any interest in weapons?
forth, will killing be any problem for you?
fifth, will being killed be any problem for you?
sixth, are prepared for hardship?
As you might know, I'm a die hard supporter of the military, I just don't want people that are not ok with ending up dead being any part of it.
Following orders and always being told what to do can be something that people dislike very much, but if you do not, that won't be any problem.
Being a soldier is not sitting in a Humvee getting in and getting out.
Study wars, war history and come to a conclusion if you would be able to endure the hardships.
I really do not want to sound better than anyone by saying all this, I just want you to think through everything very hard before desciding anything you will regret.
I'm not one to make someone not being a soldier.
Myself
I wanted to be a soldier since I was 10.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:29 am
One of the serious questions is whether or not your military services would be (either in a combat or most likely a noncombat capacity) used to oppress or exploit either our allies abroad (South America for example) or to oppress at home (which given, hasn't been done in some time). The military wing of imperialism is one of the strongest weapons available to the US ruling class in order to attempt to control the fates of humanity and prolong the life of capitalism. But if there are no other viable options left open to you - you ought not have to starve for your principles.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:11 am
First, I know a lot about the military. I've wanted to be a marine since I was 8, but that's not so much of an option anymore.
Second, I understand the life of a soldier, I just don't understand what MY life AS a soldier would entail. I haven't decided what job I would like..
Third, HUGE interest in weapons. I'm already a collector and have been saving up for s**t I want since before I even turned 18 and then went out and started finding it. I really want the new spetsnaz sniper riffle... but I don't think I'll get it.
Fourth, I hate when people ask this because there's no right answer, but no it won't. I'm not going to lie, I don't know what the situation will be like, I don't know if it will negatively affect me, but as of right now, if it was an enemy and I was a soldier, it'd be my life or his.
Fifth, yes and no. As an American soldier I get to live under the delusion that I'll always be safe. As a communist in secret I know that being a soldier means you will probably die. I hope not to die, a main point is paying for college and it'll be foolish to waste my edumacation. But I realize that it's a possibility if that's what you mean.
Sixth, all my life I've faced hardship. There's NOTHING the army can throw at me that I can't handle. I can almost guarantee that. I've been physically fit enough to pass the PT test for like 2 years, and I've only been active for 2 years. >.< The PT test for girls is a joke.
My questions about the military are more along the lines of how will it fit into my plan for my life? Will it be able to drive me forward? Am I able to get in with my asthma? (the answer is looking like no... emo ) Will I be able to handle the mental hardships of boot camp with the no communication with loved ones for a month? <==I think so because I will experience my fiance going through boot camp before I go through boot camp.
REDGallenger- The only way I can see myself being used to suppress a comrade abroad would be in this current situation with Turkey. I do not know a whole lot about it, but through the grapevine I heard something about a communist force at war with Turkey and America hasn't picked a side. As previously stated, I have not decided if I would want to be military police and see action, or if I would want to be the one to make the fliers and s**t. Hey... good experience making propaganda.... >.> I dunno. I'd feel like a wuss if I took a desk job. But as also stated, I found out I might not be eligible cuz of my assmar and... well I've been crying since I found that out but I know there are loopholes around it and I'm trying to find them.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:15 am
Also on the hardships point, as a girl I'm VERY limited in what I can do. I wanted to be a sniper, but I've been shot down with that dream by every single branch. I'm not allowed to do anything involving "combat arms", but as a military police personnel I could basically get the same effect. I've been told I could maybe fly planes, but being a pilot is rare and I don't know that I want to do that. The amount of hardship I face will be extremely dependent on the career path I choose, and that I have not decided. But I know that as a girl they treat me like I'm fragile and they don't want anything bad to happen to me. scream ******** that!
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:24 am
Seems you have meat enough on your bones for this.
I have no argument to not make you do it.
Walk softly, and carry a big gun. wink
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:48 am
That made me lol. I definitely have what it takes, it's a matter of making the army look past my asthma to see it.
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:23 am
HUZZAH! IMMA LIE BOUT MY ASTHMA!!
That's what SSG Bobby Jones told me to do! He says he's been in the service for 15 years and he told them "I have a cold" if he couldn't breathe. Right now I'm starting the process of training without the inhaler. I've kinda always thought I didn't need to take it as often as my doctor thought I did. Just sprints and s**t with like really hot and humid weather were hard. But I did sprints yesterday in practice and I made it through the whole thing without my inhaler. Who knew you were supposed to breathe through your nose??
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:51 am
The American military is one of the biggest atrocities of capitalism. Going to war is like working for anyone else- You earn the higher ups business contracts and wealth, and sell yourself. In this case, however, you aren't picking fruit or building engines. You're killing or being killed, and promoting violence and hatred.
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:15 pm
I'm very militaristic whether or not I'm in the military. I tend to be Soviet leaning and I like the idea of a country's military strength. I think it'd be an honor to be a participant in one of the strongest armies of my generation, and of many generations prior to mine.
I'm not going to lie, they're going to be paying me a lot. The only thing I really care about paying for is my student loans and my wedding, so I don't know what I'll do with the extra, or if there will be any for awhile. As far as paying for my schooling, well hell I think schooling should be free and on the government's dime anyway. It's like a little socialized entity the army is when you think about it... communal living... free health care... free schooling...
By the way, I'm in the process of signing up. I will be a commissioned officer when I graduate from college and I'll be making about 60K right away. I'll also be sent to Afghanistan right away.
-fights the urge to spew militaristic rant- SOMEBODY has to do it! -can't hold it- As of right now, our societies will not be peaceful. They will not stop fighting. That won't change for hundreds, maybe even thousands of years, if ever. If true communism (aka the end result of anarchism) can ever even be achieved. But can it? Especially since that may not be your idea of the "end result". We can't agree with ourselves. We always fight, and words only go so far. Yes, the American Military likes to flex it's muscles like a high school football player, but that doesn't mean that it's not sometimes needed. I don't think that "terrorist" is a particularly fair word, but I do know that I don't agree with muslim extremists and I'm a die hard Israel fan. So if going over there and killing some of them means I save Israelis and my buddies, I'll do it. I know that it doesn't save American lives. I'm not dumb. I know 9/11 and Iraq are not related. But like I said, I'll be deployed to Afghanistan. If I'm lucky I'll get stationed on the base they'll be making in Baghdad. We'll always have a presence there, just like Korea and Germany and Japan and any other nation that we fought or had a conflict in.
Yes money IS a driving force behind this decision. Especially the particular decision about doing National Guard ROTC and switching to Active Army when I graduate. I make the most money that way. But since I live in a capitalist society and the only army I can really fight for is the American one since I am American, is that my fault? I'm trying to pay for college, for an education. I'm trying to pay to better myself so I can get out of this hell hole excuse of a country. So I don't have to be here when it crumbles to the ground. Like I mentioned in that other thread about the business, I just need extra cash for school, anything else I'll do something productive with. I just hope and pray that I don't fall into the seduction that money can bring and be one of those people that "never has enough". Because THEN I would truly be going against my communist ideals and I wouldn't be able to live with myself.
/rant
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:55 pm
xion-dono I'm very militaristic whether or not I'm in the military. I tend to be Soviet leaning and I like the idea of a country's military strength. I think it'd be an honor to be a participant in one of the strongest armies of my generation, and of many generations prior to mine. I'm not going to lie, they're going to be paying me a lot. The only thing I really care about paying for is my student loans and my wedding, so I don't know what I'll do with the extra, or if there will be any for awhile. As far as paying for my schooling, well hell I think schooling should be free and on the government's dime anyway. It's like a little socialized entity the army is when you think about it... communal living... free health care... free schooling... By the way, I'm in the process of signing up. I will be a commissioned officer when I graduate from college and I'll be making about 60K right away. I'll also be sent to Afghanistan right away. -fights the urge to spew militaristic rant- SOMEBODY has to do it! -can't hold it- As of right now, our societies will not be peaceful. They will not stop fighting. That won't change for hundreds, maybe even thousands of years, if ever. If true communism (aka the end result of anarchism) can ever even be achieved. But can it? Especially since that may not be your idea of the "end result". We can't agree with ourselves. We always fight, and words only go so far. Yes, the American Military likes to flex it's muscles like a high school football player, but that doesn't mean that it's not sometimes needed. I don't think that "terrorist" is a particularly fair word, but I do know that I don't agree with muslim extremists and I'm a die hard Israel fan. So if going over there and killing some of them means I save Israelis and my buddies, I'll do it. I know that it doesn't save American lives. I'm not dumb. I know 9/11 and Iraq are not related. But like I said, I'll be deployed to Afghanistan. If I'm lucky I'll get stationed on the base they'll be making in Baghdad. We'll always have a presence there, just like Korea and Germany and Japan and any other nation that we fought or had a conflict in. Yes money IS a driving force behind this decision. Especially the particular decision about doing National Guard ROTC and switching to Active Army when I graduate. I make the most money that way. But since I live in a capitalist society and the only army I can really fight for is the American one since I am American, is that my fault? I'm trying to pay for college, for an education. I'm trying to pay to better myself so I can get out of this hell hole excuse of a country. So I don't have to be here when it crumbles to the ground. Like I mentioned in that other thread about the business, I just need extra cash for school, anything else I'll do something productive with. I just hope and pray that I don't fall into the seduction that money can bring and be one of those people that "never has enough". Because THEN I would truly be going against my communist ideals and I wouldn't be able to live with myself. /rant Paid for by workers tax dollars, with large amounts spread to GE and Boeing CEO's through pentagon contracts. Do not fight in any war. Especially one fueled by capitalism and hate. To do so is a disgrace. Being powerful and crushing the weak is a mindset of capitalism. To think in such a way promotes hate and distrust and helps act as a catalyst FOR these wars. And of course, the contractors and profiteers are always willing to play along. And this IS the problem. This is what we fight- Good people having to do bad things for money. Doing this will be a direct contradiction Communist ideologies. It's not just about using power to harm others or hold them down, it's also about playing into the system and harming others to get your meager slice.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:14 am
It's paid for by workers tax dollars because this system is not socialist and therefore has no other way to pay for it.
A militaristic mindset is in no way shape or form a purely capitalist idea. How exactly do you expect to have a revolution if communism isn't more powerful and doesn't crush the "weaker" systems? I don't hate anyone. All I said was yeah I disagree with Muslim extremists, but I don't hate them. I think that they need to be stopped before they can kill more people. You're right, it IS kill or be killed, but I'd rather do the killing, sorry.
I know this is what we fight, hence the thread and the question. Who would I be harming to "get [my] meager slice"? As long as I'm not harming comrades I find it justified. I personally might not ever even hold a gun, I haven't decided on what I'll do.
But let me ask you this. I for one don't think that social reforms will get us anywhere. I think that violent revolution is needed. If there aren't some people who go into the military in some fashion and receive their training, how are we going to have people who are properly trained soldiers to have this revolution? How are we going to have people who understand how it works on the inside to get things done and to expose their weaknesses? This is the same argument that my old church used to use for secular music. You shouldn't listen to it cuz they're not christian and they swear... so the christian artist of the same genre never heard that genre and just made it up all by his little lonesome? Even if you think it's wrong for you, SOMEONE has to go do it. Someone has to venture out into the den of the wolves and come back to tell the rest of us what it's like.
-EDIT- "playing into the system" could be accused of anyone who has ever had a job in this nation.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:43 am
xion-dono It's paid for by workers tax dollars because this system is not socialist and therefore has no other way to pay for it. A militaristic mindset is in no way shape or form a purely capitalist idea. How exactly do you expect to have a revolution if communism isn't more powerful and doesn't crush the "weaker" systems? I don't hate anyone. All I said was yeah I disagree with Muslim extremists, but I don't hate them. I think that they need to be stopped before they can kill more people. You're right, it IS kill or be killed, but I'd rather do the killing, sorry. I know this is what we fight, hence the thread and the question. Who would I be harming to "get [my] meager slice"? As long as I'm not harming comrades I find it justified. I personally might not ever even hold a gun, I haven't decided on what I'll do. But let me ask you this. I for one don't think that social reforms will get us anywhere. I think that violent revolution is needed. If there aren't some people who go into the military in some fashion and receive their training, how are we going to have people who are properly trained soldiers to have this revolution? How are we going to have people who understand how it works on the inside to get things done and to expose their weaknesses? This is the same argument that my old church used to use for secular music. You shouldn't listen to it cuz they're not christian and they swear... so the christian artist of the same genre never heard that genre and just made it up all by his little lonesome? Even if you think it's wrong for you, SOMEONE has to go do it. Someone has to venture out into the den of the wolves and come back to tell the rest of us what it's like. -EDIT- "playing into the system" could be accused of anyone who has ever had a job in this nation. So, the fact that there is currently no other way to fund a war makes it being the labor of the workers (since money is an effigy of labor, and the worker's money goes into the war debts) entirely acceptable? Firstly, nonviolent revolution is necessary. Violence wins us nothing. Our power comes from our logic and reasoning, not through bashing in the skulls of the weak and setting ourselves on top of the corporate war-chain. The terrorists hate us because of our wars and military actions. In fact, to much of the world, the US is considered terrorist- Attacking sovereign nations for political and ideological goals, as well as profiteering. It's only "Kill or be killed" if you are in the enemy country, invading their homeland. You will be harming the innocent of the other countries- Even if they hold a gun, they do so in defense of their own land and their own being. Even if you do not directly fire a weapon, you are still aiding to the firing of weapons, which can and will cause civilian casualties. It must be remembered at all times that the civilians of enemy countries are people like you and I who want nothing to do with the trifles and squabbles of those in power. Again, peaceful reasoning and logic will win. Unless you would like to ignore the feminist movement (Before it was bastardized), Martin Luther King Jr., Ghandi and the buddhist monks, of course. And we could always look for the successes of violent intervention- Such as Saddam being set up as dictator of Iraq, or Ossama Bin Laden being given arms, or aiding Israel and consequentially pissing off the aforementioned Ossama, who is their enemy. Yes, working for any large corporation is a bad thing. But it is even worse when the corporation, again, isn't peddling produce or car parts, but death and hatred. Where as for survival, aiding to the system is acceptable, it becomes less acceptable the more you are willing to sacrifice. Namely, the lives of others. This is why bribery, extortion, murder and theft are all wrong- They harm others to get your piece of the system.
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:54 pm
The fact that there is currently no other way to fund a war makes it so that I HAVE to live with it, whether I like it or not. It doesn't mean I agree with it, it doesn't mean I like it. It means that's the only way for me to get paid.
Marx doesn't even start talking about nonviolent revolution until he's about to die. He was originally all about violent overthrows. He said that the only places that could have a chance at nonviolent revolutions are in countries that have a government system set up where they could make reforms. Yes, America "has" that government system, but I think that anyone who actually thinks reforms that the people want happens in this country is a fool. The America Marx knew and the America today are two completely different things.
I realize that the terrorists hate us for that, that the world hates us for that. Someone said to me once "History is written by the guy that wins the war". and it's true. It may not sound fair, it may not be nice, but whoever wins, whoever is stronger, they get the last say. That's how life on this world works, and that's not going to change any time soon. Am I supposed to sit back, not answer this desire in me to be a soldier, sacrifice the REST of my life because I will NEVER make enough to pay off this schooling otherwise, just because of my principles? There's a difference between standing up for your principles, and stupidity.
I'll actually be going to Afghanistan, and that's where the people who are not "defending" their homeland are. That's where the people who plot to destroy Israel and the US are. To me that's the same as an typical war enemy, and yeah, it's his life or mine.
Peaceful logic and reasoning wins? That's why racism is gone, women have complete equal rights, and any other nonviolent cause has met their goal?
I have no choice but to work for a large corporation in some way shape or form. It can't happen. I'm not going into this going "Man, I hope I get extra money for every head shot". I'm not going into this going "I want to kill some ******** arabs!" I'm going into this thinking "Hey, I need money, I feel like I can do this, they need a body, it's a win win for everyone." I think that the army will be a growing experience, and I think I just need more time to think. To plan out my adult life. It'll give me time to sit back and think. I'm in no way saying I want to sacrifice the lives of innocent civilians so I can pay for college. That's not my goal.
I stand by the fact that we need people from the army on our side. We NEED them. Whether the revolution is violent or not. If we were to be having peaceful demonstrations and they bring in the National Guard... how much better would that go along if I or someone else had already made friends with the Guard members there and they were at least sympathizers? I mean, just look at what happened at Kent State during Nam. Let's avoid that if at all possible.
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Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:03 pm
xion-dono The fact that there is currently no other way to fund a war makes it so that I HAVE to live with it, whether I like it or not. It doesn't mean I agree with it, it doesn't mean I like it. It means that's the only way for me to get paid. Marx doesn't even start talking about nonviolent revolution until he's about to die. He was originally all about violent overthrows. He said that the only places that could have a chance at nonviolent revolutions are in countries that have a government system set up where they could make reforms. Yes, America "has" that government system, but I think that anyone who actually thinks reforms that the people want happens in this country is a fool. The America Marx knew and the America today are two completely different things. I realize that the terrorists hate us for that, that the world hates us for that. Someone said to me once "History is written by the guy that wins the war". and it's true. It may not sound fair, it may not be nice, but whoever wins, whoever is stronger, they get the last say. That's how life on this world works, and that's not going to change any time soon. Am I supposed to sit back, not answer this desire in me to be a soldier, sacrifice the REST of my life because I will NEVER make enough to pay off this schooling otherwise, just because of my principles? There's a difference between standing up for your principles, and stupidity. I'll actually be going to Afghanistan, and that's where the people who are not "defending" their homeland are. That's where the people who plot to destroy Israel and the US are. To me that's the same as an typical war enemy, and yeah, it's his life or mine. Peaceful logic and reasoning wins? That's why racism is gone, women have complete equal rights, and any other nonviolent cause has met their goal? I have no choice but to work for a large corporation in some way shape or form. It can't happen. I'm not going into this going "Man, I hope I get extra money for every head shot". I'm not going into this going "I want to kill some ******** arabs!" I'm going into this thinking "Hey, I need money, I feel like I can do this, they need a body, it's a win win for everyone." I think that the army will be a growing experience, and I think I just need more time to think. To plan out my adult life. It'll give me time to sit back and think. I'm in no way saying I want to sacrifice the lives of innocent civilians so I can pay for college. That's not my goal. I stand by the fact that we need people from the army on our side. We NEED them. Whether the revolution is violent or not. If we were to be having peaceful demonstrations and they bring in the National Guard... how much better would that go along if I or someone else had already made friends with the Guard members there and they were at least sympathizers? I mean, just look at what happened at Kent State during Nam. Let's avoid that if at all possible. There are other jobs- other ways to make your money without supporting terrorism. I know, it will not be easy. But neither was it for Jesus, or Martin Luther King or Ghandi. But it worked out for their movement, and it was far more rewarding than a victory of force. Continuing to aid this system is wrong. Take advice from Socrates and Aristotle, Jesus, Martin Luther King Jr., who were willing to die and starve and be poor in order to do the right thing. So are you supposed to risk your happiness to not aid the most despicable group of terror, death and hatred on the planet today? Yes. Absolutely. Aiding this system is wrong even if you think you are helping. To do so being fully conscious of the negative affects you will be placing upon the world as a whole would be truly terrible. So, by being in their country, you will be defending yourself? It's just faulty reasoning to think such. They hate us, again, because we are there, and we are in their s**t. Going there to rub it in won't solve it. War solves nothing, but causes hate and animosity for the future wars. Black people are no longer segregated. Had they fought violently, they would have just been put down and locked up, called brutal, guerilla terrorists. Their movement would have won nothing. The operation of peace works to make the "enemy" think critically about wether or not his actions are just. It turns their minds, not daggers in their backs. You win their support, not their gravesites. This corporation, again, sews hatred. It's not like doing any other job. The political implications are wide and far- You will promote the hatred of America into other countries by being present in a war with that country. 9/11 happened BECAUSE of our actions against arabic peoples (in general) and the terrorism you're fighting is because of actions like the ones you will be taking. It's not just single killings, it's the entire global affect of our warmongering.
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