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 Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:51 pm
Rawr!♥;; Okay, I have been having this issue. Recently I started attending the local Catholic Private school and it is lovely. I have never seen such a beautiful school, the cirruculum is wonderful, the students are kind, it is simply amazing.
What is the problem, you ask?
Well, as I think I have said before, I was never Baptised in the Catholic Church. When I joined this guild I was ABOUT to be Baptised. But, the church I had been attending had placed me in the wrong classes and canceled the night priour to by Baptism.
Yeah, the night before they call us to tell us we have been driving 200 miles a week for nothing.{It was in my old town. After I was Baptised we were going to transfer Churchs.}
Well, when I was signing up for my new school, they were asking about religion and such and my mother told the story about how I was not Baptised, etc., and the lady said that their Theology classes count as CCD.
Now my mother is all excited and wants me to go get baptised, but I am not sure I -can- be Baptised.
I mean....I am like...gay.
And see nothing wrong with it.
But I know the Catholic Church does. So, if I joined, it would be under false pretesnses{For lack of better phrase} and I don't wnna like, lie about it and stuff. I mean, I respect the Catholic Church to much to join and then turn around and do what they say not to, you know?
But I don't wanna let my mother down, and I most certainly can not talk to her about this. I mean, she knows I am gay, but we never really discuss it. So, yeah.
I am just confused.
Dx Lady Taco;;
Queen of the Uber Dorks
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:13 am
First of all, I can hear in your dialogue that you approach Baptism with a maturity and sincerity that is largely missing in many. That is a blessing that will surely not be missed.
You're right in saying you don't want to join the Church under false pretences.
So let's examine the delimma:
When you say you don't believe there is a problem with "being gay," in which manifestation do you mean? The Church's official teaching on homosexuality is that it is a sin to engage in homosexual acts. It rejects the notion (of some other "Christian" faiths) that being gay is inherently wrong.
If you feel that homosexual acts are not depraved in themselves, then you have a belief that is outside the stance of the Church and cannot be reconciled with it. Otherwise, I see no reason not to join the Church for something that you can't help, as long as you wish to sacrifice in love and obedience, keeping in mind we all make mistakes.
You may want to talk to a priest about it further. Be sure that he is loyal to the teachings of the Church, and see him under the oath of Confession so that everything is completly confidential. A good priest, in prayer and in communion with the Pope, should be a comprehensive spiritual guide for you.
As for your mother, you can sit down with her in an adult conversation and tell her that for personal and/or spiritual reasons you find that you are not ready to join the Catholic faith. It is really between you and God; and I doubt your mother will object to you disobeying God by jumping the gun to get Baptised. I wager she'll be very impressed with your spiritual maturity, albeit a bit dissappointed. You may even give her a thing or two to think about in reflection of her own spiritual readiness.
Otherwise, please keep you innocence and sincerity. A lot of people will try to convince you that you should do what you want because you want to, not because it is the right thing to do.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:39 am
Rawr!♥;; Yes, there is where I and the Church differ, I see nothing wrong in homosexual 'acts'. I have a feeling that I should but, I just don't.
I don't see how being intimate with someone you love can be called a sin, to be perfectly honest. I know that it is not pro-creational, but...really. Aren't we a little over-populated, anyways?
I am not sure there are any Priests I'd feel comfortable discussing this with. I must say I am horribly afraid of being jugded or some such. I know it's rediculous, but I am concerned about what he may think of me. =/
I could talk to my mother, I am just nervous on how to broach the subject. I mean, how do you start a conversation like that? I am very closed off about emotions and all that, so...yeah. It is rather difficult for me to speak to my mother about anything. I've no doubt she'd listen and all, but.
Yeah, I am lame. xD Lady Taco;;
Queen of the Uber Dorks
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:09 am
You're not lame. xp
I encourage you to tell your mother, just the same. It will be scary but I have a feeling it may bring you two a little closer.
You may have to work out your difficulties in your own time. I struggle with the teachings on homosexuality as well, and for me, it comes down to this (and don't think that just because you get it once you don't have to renew your beliefs every single day when you wake up in the morning): I accept the Church's teachings because I feel like the Church knows what's best, even if I don't like the idea. It's like the only authority I don't have issues with! 4laugh
Anyway, I'll be praying for you! ((hug))
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:54 pm
I know that nothing I've experienced is really on par with this, so I won't even try to compare. But there are a few things I've noticed around the Catholic world that might be relevant for you.
The basic "rules" of Catholic sexual morality were confirmed in a modern context by the encyclical Humanae Vitae in the 1960's. That document is the source of the Catechism's information on sexuality and is usually the basis of most discussions on the subject. A lot of people read HV, or learn the rules and reasons it contains, and feel dissatisfied with the explanation.
But there is a much deeper, more philosophical, and more spiritual papal teaching about human sexuality and humanity in general, called Theology of the Body. It was given by Pope John Paul II in the 1980's, but it wasn't very widely publicized and it kind of fell through the cracks. I encountered it a few years ago and it reshaped my view of sex, the Church, and what it means to be human. I don't know if it would do the same for you, but it's something I highly recommend to any Catholic or potential Catholic who's old enough to understand it. Christopher West's website is a good starting place if you're curious.
ookay so now it's dinner time... if i think of anything else i'll come back later.
heart Rosa
PS- It's really admirable how seriously you take the Church and baptism. I hope there are lots more people like you out there!
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:59 pm
Rosa Quietus But there is a much deeper, more philosophical, and more spiritual papal teaching about human sexuality and humanity in general, called Theology of the Body. It was given by Pope John Paul II in the 1980's, but it wasn't very widely publicized and it kind of fell through the cracks. I encountered it a few years ago and it reshaped my view of sex, the Church, and what it means to be human. I don't know if it would do the same for you, but it's something I highly recommend to any Catholic or potential Catholic who's old enough to understand it. Christopher West's website is a good starting place if you're curious. I just wanted to chime in that Theology of the Body ROCKS! Like...words just can't express how inspirational it was for me.... empowering even.
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:56 pm
Rawr!♥;; Okay, I am gonna lukc stupid but: Where can I aquire these books? I fequent many book stores but I don't think I have ever some across those mentioned.
=/ Lady Taco;;
Queen of the Uber Dorks
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:21 pm
You could google their authors' names and order them in a bookstore. They usually get books that way when the books are not on display or in stock.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:43 pm
[Lacrimosa] Rawr!♥;; Okay, I am gonna lukc stupid but: Where can I aquire these books? I fequent many book stores but I don't think I have ever some across those mentioned.
=/ Lady Taco;;
Queen of the Uber Dorks one very easy way to get it would be PMing me your mailing address! I got a nice little paperback on the subject free when the author, Christopher West, came to my college. It's the least I can do to pass it along. More generally, theologyofthebody.net and .org and www.christopherwest.com are good starting points for poking around online, and you can download one of Christopher West's talks for free here.
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:02 pm
The Theology of the Body?
Would someone PLEASE tell me more about this, as I am quite confused in my sexuality as well. D:
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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:16 pm
I faced a similar dilema when I was confirmed. I opted to keep my mouth shut and go through with my confirmation because it was what was expected of me and I feared what consequences full disclosure would bring. I'm still not sure I feel 100% right about the choice I made, but on the other hand, in my situation, full disclosure to my family could have very well meant homelessness for me and I was very young, so I'm not sure what other choice I really had.
If discussing this with your mother does not put your personal safety at risk, then I do suggest you try to express your concerns and misgivings to her, even though it may be uncomfortable.
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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:53 pm
Juno ex Machina The Theology of the Body? Would someone PLEASE tell me more about this, as I am quite confused in my sexuality as well. D: Haha yeah, I know I'm straight but I'm still confused about this theory of the body thing
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